NationStates Jolt Archive

I am just wondering if I am the only one that has noticed that all U.N. resloutions pass. No matter how bad they are written or how stupid the whole idea seems (ie. DVD region codes) they always seem to have more votes for than against. :evil: Does anyone care, or is it just an automatic reflex to vote yes?

or is it just an automatic reflex to vote yes?

The majority of UN members do not care to contribute to the forum's debates on these matters, so sadly most UN members blindly vote yes.

It seems to me that the responsibility on what passes should fall to the delegates rather than the members, but sadly that seems to be overoptimism. :(

The site only archives resolutions that passed, so we have no way of ever officially finding out whether there have been resolutions that failed. However, many of the older nations have said that resolutions have failed.

Time was when I was considered a young nation, but yep I've seen plenty of proposals fail.

There was one very noble attempt to honor hipopotomi that comes to mind...

along with myriad others.

Going back more than a year there were some notable attempts to establish global minimum wages and global common currencies, both of which died on the floor - following highly entertaining debates.

Back when I first joined the UN there was a resolution to ban pop-up ads on the internet that failed.

Because I could still be considered new at all this I will take what you say as truth. I guess I will have to get more involved in debates and such to get my opinion heard.

Interesting...
For those of you who remember resolutions failing... 2 questions.
1) about how many UN Members were there?
2) Did any of them have a "feel good" or "Nicey Nicey" title to it?

Details not needed.

Interesting...
For those of you who remember resolutions failing... 2 questions.
1) about how many UN Members were there?
2) Did any of them have a "feel good" or "Nicey Nicey" title to it?

Details not needed.

Interesting...
For those of you who remember resolutions failing... 2 questions.
1) about how many UN Members were there?
2) Did any of them have a "feel good" or "Nicey Nicey" title to it?

Details not needed.

Basically... there is no age test for this game... so I have a feeling you have alot of young teens playing with 0 understanding of the consequences of poorly written legislation. Once they get out and own a home, work, pay taxes, and have to deal with the basic stupidity of government... their love of passing laws might diminish.

All you have to do to pass any legislation is give it a feel-good title.

You could probably pass legislation demanding the destruction of all rainforests if you gave it a title like "A law to give more warmth to homeless children in the winter"

Interesting...
For those of you who remember resolutions failing... 2 questions.
1) about how many UN Members were there?
Depends on the resolution. There were - obviously - significantly fewer members back in late 2002-early 2003 when several resolutions got voted down. The pop-up ad banning resolution was a little more recent, so there were more members. I can't put a number on either statement, but it's not as if the only failed resolutions happened when nobody was a member.

2) Did any of them have a "feel good" or "Nicey Nicey" title to it?
A bit of a vague term, but "Universal Minimum Wage" was a pretty "feelgood" resolution - both in title and in content. From memory most of the arguments in favour of it were rather "feelgood" as well. I can't think of the title of the "pop-up ads are banned" resolution, but it was also a reasonably feelgood one.

If the point is that resolutions are more likely to pass with a larger population and a more upbeat title, that's hardly in dispute.

I remember several failing, though until the last few months I was not really active in the UN(now am delegate), I remember several.

Yes, the pop-up one, a viable attempt I should say, and others.

The real ones with power are the delegates of the giant regions with hundreds of votes backing them. These delegates, it seems, do not always even think about what they are voting for.

So it's only the delegate's votes that count? Nah, doesn't seem like it.
It does seem that now days, alot of vague/poorly written Resolutions get passed.

Too bad the mods can't do anything to change the process to insure that people don't just log into the UN just to vote.

Believe you me, Ichi Ni, if I were able to enforce more participation than simply waving a vote at a proposal every now and then, I would.

i'm pretty new to the UN so you'l have to tell me what outher kind of participation there is in the UN outher than voteing unless ofcourse you just mean reading the forums

i'm pretty new to the UN so you'l have to tell me what outher kind of participation there is in the UN outher than voteing unless ofcourse you just mean reading the forums
Read the forums for every resolution which comes to vote and you'll earn instant respect. Make comments on all the resolutions - preferably with interesting insights - and someone will probably strike you a gold medal.

Huh? what? we get awards here???

LOL yeah, I'll probably get the Devils Advocate Award.

Meep, what would I get? :wink:

(Resists urge to duck and cover)

Actually, that would be nice in N.S. 2, Moderators could bestow a medal of recognition of some sort on a persons nation page, you know, like the U.N. member/delegate/Moderation images we may have already. More of a recognition thing then any game merit. Plus, it would be yet another thing to remove if a nation went rogue and started being a + pain + for players.

- The Rep of Komokom.

I could see recognition medals or something like them being an incentive to take a more active or "responsible" role in the U.N. It all comes down to finding a better way to moderate proposals or at the very least encouraging people to think them through a little more.

True, but the only way I could think of getting better written and moderated proposals through it (U.N.) to use a form based system, where you have a line for the title, then cat. and stength, then the pre-ambulatory descriptive bit, then a drop down menu below to select a clause type as listed by Sophista, then another line for that clause, and then repeat down the page to a certian extent. Say, 10 - 20 times. Then once finished, it could be sent to a forum for a certain period of time for discussion, then the author could cancel it on the advise of others on forum, or adjust it and start again, other-wise, send it on to a moderator for sweeping, then once swept, added to the waiting list to hopefully start the climb to quorum.

(Actually, I rather like the seperate forum part best myself,a fixed forum with one thread to each proposal and no other discussion threads could be opened bar the moderators or admin.)

Naturally, this is all theory, its would take N.S. 2-esque game mechanics and coding to do this thing, and this is just a rough, amoung many I feel, suggestion, :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

Well there was a resolution passed a while ago to monitor proper grammer/spelling of resolutions. I think the proposal que is filled with people who should be penalized by that resolution.

Yeah, but how many people even know or think of these resolutions any-way ... ? :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom, RMoS.