NationStates Jolt Archive

For a little over half-a-month We have been making Our case; following all of the rules and procedures laid fourth to Us, and how do They respond? They respond with nothing but stiff resistance and a complete lack of compromise. Today, I find that my inherent right to freedom of speech has been encroached upon. Not only have I been stripped of my right to post on my very own documents, but so have all the Nations of the world. Thomas Paine would call it common sense; Thomas Jefferson would consider this self-evident. What more proof do We need? It is the right of every Nation, indeed of every Person, to question; to criticize; to debate; to ignore; to their opinions. Are these not Our inherent rights? Have or have they not been granted to Us by such resolutions as ‘The Universal Bill of Rights’, ‘Rights and Duties of UN States’, ‘Universal Freedom of Choice’, and ‘Freedom of Humor’? Are We again to continue to heedlessly neglect Our obligations and sit by as these rights are slowly stripped back one, by one, by one?

Our list of grievances:

We have on a number of occasions pleaded Our case to Them by traversing through the appropriate channels of politics and diplomacy.

At no such time have We broken or attempted to encroach upon these guidelines.

On more than one occasion have Our ideas been ignored or casually thrown aside.

We have been more than compromising in trying to understand the problem, only to meet stiffer resistance the more We inquire in an attempt to better educate Ourselves to possibly offer solutions.

Our ideas have been deemed pointless and no longer has respect been given to Us in the manner in which We have bestowed unto Them.

When solutions are presented, no response is given; no respect given to the People who are in an attempt to further democracy and indeed civilization itself.

Our solutions We find to be practical and simple, requiring no further modifications, yet when the same rebuttal is given, questions are asked and again ignored.

They have refused to pass such a law of immediate importance for the good of the People and Nations of the world.

They refuse to tolerate unwarranted behavior that They themselves deem appropriate or not without any consent of the majority.

Our very rights as the Peoples and Nations of the world have been encroached upon, inflicting damages not only to Our faith in democracy, but to the institution to which preaches the same ideals that We hold so dear.

When We attempt to continue to debate; to question; and to offer solutions We are in return warned not to bring fourth such ideas again with no definitive retaliation or boundaries set fourth.

They themselves have continued to undermine the very practices and ideals that they preach to uphold.

On a number of occasions have Their limits been reached and lines crossed, and in an attempt to rein them back in We are met with an oppressive demeanor that becomes ever so pervasive.

The very power bestowed upon Them by the People has continued to be usurped from Our control.

Are We to continue to let Their usurpation grow to inexorable amounts? It is now that I ask all Civilized Nations of the world, regardless of your governmental and ideological practices, to rise up and untangle those bonds that bind You to such an oppressive power. I ask that every Nation view this as an act of encroachment against their very thoughts and practices.

Sincerely,

The Independent States of Bytek

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FFS Shut up!

Try telling us who "they" are exactly.

Maybe we could circulate a virtual petition. If we got enough delegate signatures it might help lead to a more positive response.

We have on a number of occasions pleaded Our case to Them by traversing through the appropriate channels of politics and diplomacy.

Oh, really? I was unaware that the United Nations forum was the appropriate place to suggest game mechanics changes. I always thought that was Technical.

At no such time have We broken or attempted to encroach upon these guidelines.

Again: game mechanics changes are out of bounds for the UN. Repeatedly making more work for the moderators about a topic which comes up far too often and to which their reply has always been the same isn't going to win you many friends in their group, as I see it.

On more than one occasion have Our ideas been ignored or casually thrown aside.

Probably because "your ideas" are proposed on a bidaily basis. Repeals are one of the most frequently requested changes and also one of the more complicated ones to instate. The mods also happen to be busy people -- the fact that you got responses in most of your threads at all is not, in my experience, the usual happening.

We have been more than compromising in trying to understand the problem, only to meet stiffer resistance the more We inquire in an attempt to better educate Ourselves to possibly offer solutions.

"More than compromising?" More like passive aggressive.

Our ideas have been deemed pointless and no longer has respect been given to Us in the manner in which We have bestowed unto Them.

Is this respectful? Is it respectful to continually post requests for repeals when it's obvious it's not going to happen right away and other people just like you post about it every day or so?

When solutions are presented, no response is given; no respect given to the People who are in an attempt to further democracy and indeed civilization itself.

Yeah, yeah. We all like the roleplaying, but at some point you need to give it a break. This is a game, one which was never designed to support this large of a following, so it can't be a perfect representation of real life.

Our solutions We find to be practical and simple, requiring no further modifications, yet when the same rebuttal is given, questions are asked and again ignored.

You may find them practical; the people who operate this site, apparently, do not. You may not think your requests require modification of the rules; the people who run this site, apparently, disagree.

They have refused to pass such a law of immediate importance for the good of the People and Nations of the world.

Has the game caught on fire? Has it exploded? Have people stopped playing in droves? No to all of those. The mods are busy people. Coding in repeals is a difficult task.

They refuse to tolerate unwarranted behavior that They themselves deem appropriate or not without any consent of the majority.

I suppose you want the mods to conduct a scientific poll every time they want to remove some animal porn from the forums, then? Meh. If you want to run a site, you can go make your own site. That's how the internet works.

Our very rights as the Peoples and Nations of the world have been encroached upon, inflicting damages not only to Our faith in democracy, but to the institution to which preaches the same ideals that We hold so dear.

Right. And your parents violate your rights every time they make you go to bed.

When We attempt to continue to debate; to question; and to offer solutions We are in return warned not to bring fourth such ideas again with no definitive retaliation or boundaries set fourth.

Uh... I'd say that those are fairly definitive boundaries and that the site documentation, if you'd read it, offers some fairly definitive rules for discipline. The mods don't have meticulously spelled out rules because those are easier to abuse.

They themselves have continued to undermine the very practices and ideals that they preach to uphold.

Uh, right.

On a number of occasions have Their limits been reached and lines crossed, and in an attempt to rein them back in We are met with an oppressive demeanor that becomes ever so pervasive.

So evidently you know you've annoyed people and yet you continue. How "respectful."

The very power bestowed upon Them by the People has continued to be usurped from Our control.

Huh? We have the power to make proposals, debate proposals, vote on proposals, and all the same for resolutions. We can deal with issues. We have the forums. We don't, however, have the power to change how the game works.

It's fine to support repeals. I do. But this isn't the way to go about getting them.

Whoops, sorry, long post.

While I will not argue changing game mechanics (after all this is a FREE game, and you do get what you pay for) some point about the moderators here.

"Oh, really? I was unaware that the United Nations forum was the appropriate place to suggest game mechanics changes. I always thought that was Technical."

"Again: game mechanics changes are out of bounds for the UN. Repeatedly making more work for the moderators about a topic which comes up far too often and to which their reply has always been the same isn't going to win you many friends in their group, as I see it. "

"Probably because "your ideas" are proposed on a bidaily basis. Repeals are one of the most frequently requested changes and also one of the more complicated ones to instate. The mods also happen to be busy people -- the fact that you got responses in most of your threads at all is not, in my experience, the usual happening. "

If so, the Moderators should have been posting this on the forums. All I've seen from the Mods were "no we cannot allow anything to change game mechanics." Nothing posted to direct people to appropiriate areas.

"More than compromising?" More like passive aggressive."

Unfortunatly, only on a few threads were there suggestions and counter suggestions... well on the ones I've read anyway. Most of them were confrontational. again the Mods could have pointed people to appropriate treads to go to.

"Is this respectful? Is it respectful to continually post requests for repeals when it's obvious it's not going to happen right away and other people just like you post about it every day or so? "

Unfortunatly Bytek, I kinda agree on this. Flooding the forums makes people tired. Give "Them" a chance to think about it. Flood them with change requests, and they will take the simplist and easiest choice... no.

"Yeah, yeah. We all like the roleplaying, but at some point you need to give it a break. This is a game, one which was never designed to support this large of a following, so it can't be a perfect representation of real life. "

Hey, if you want a break from roleplaying, step away from the game. If the name of the game is role playing then you role play. occasionally, step out of character (OOC) but to suggest to stop role playing in a role playing game is... silly at best. And if the Forum response time is an indication... yep, I guess "they" (the creator[s]) didn't realize it would be this big.

"Has the game caught on fire? Has it exploded? Have people stopped playing in droves? No to all of those. The mods are busy people. Coding in repeals is a difficult task. "

I dunno, I'm seeing alot of nations ceasing to exsist in alot of regions. To my knowledge, a nation won't cease to exsist unless it was left alone (not logged into) for quite a while.

"I suppose you want the mods to conduct a scientific poll every time they want to remove some animal porn from the forums, then? Meh. If you want to run a site, you can go make your own site. That's how the internet works. "

Maybe not to that extreme, but perhaps some warning posted before locking people out? Or even pointing them to the threads with the rules... where ever they are?

"Right. And your parents violate your rights every time they make you go to bed."

Actually, right now, it's more like the Neighborhood Board (School Student Coucil for those who don't know what a Neighborhood Board is) telling your children what pajamas they have to wear when they go to bed. While I find Leaglize difficult and fustrating to read they do try to be specific at times. Alot of these resolutions are vague and written in such a way that it requires the author to clarify, classify and correct. Again this is a game, however, even games have rules. and for this game, the UN Resolutions are rules for UN Members HAVE to follow when governing their nations. Unfortunatly, consequences for not following UN resolutions don't exsist in NS1. so no one "feels" what happens when poorly written resolutions are voted in.

While the mods don't have the power to change game mechanics,
they are suppose to inform people when mistakes are being made. Such as, if threads are in the wrong area, let the people posting know. Granted Mods have real jobs and lives that take them away from the game. (so do players) But at least direct people to appropriate threads, after all, not everyone here is Net Savvy or Forum Experienced.

Only some of the mods answered Bytecks rants (and some quite well, others just fuelled the fire IMOH) which is why I stopped calling for repeals. And Bytek, calm down. Consider this a time out. I had to step away from the game and look at it from the outside. That's why I am accepting the limitations of the game... when I find them that is.

EDITED AFTER RESEARCH.

Unfortunately we can not give the citizens of the United Nations time to think about it. The more time you give a person to think about the problem, the more they don't want to deal with the problem. And after a time the problem is forgotten. But the problem will still remain no matter how much time you allow to pass.

Ignoring the most common solution because, "It is not conveniant", is no excuse no matter what rank they hold in their political 'office'. We contend that the problem has been an ongoing one now for some time. We believe the continueing punishment, warnings, and outright hostility by some is in direct violation of our rights to free speach which many of you so PROUDLY beat your chest with.

(OCC: This forum repeatedly goes back and forth between roleplay and actual technicality, make your own choice on how you wish to view this post)

"There is no time." "It is to technical." "I don't want to hear it." "Change the subject or face the possible consequances." "Shutup."

Harrased. Bullyed. Threatened. Ambivalance. Judged, persona non grata. These are the terms we are met with, for those who believe a better solution may be found.

You can not handedly act with the words of democracy then turn around and squash democratic rights to governments and their representatives, just because you do not want to hear the problem. The more you continually put your heel upon our backs, the more we will try to rise up and announce our grievances.

How pathetic it is you call yourselves "free men and women, with wholly the rights of democracy for all, and free will". You only hand out those rights to do as you please, but only as long as it serves your personal power and greed and not for the public good.

Your no better than a third world country dictator, when you take the freedom to announce our grievances. With dispatch you give many of us the runaround telling us which forums to make our grievances known. When state our grievances, we are told that we have given those grievances to the wrong channels. (basically told to take the problem and post it to another Forum. I was sent through five different forums which I thought was total cow excriment.)

The problems still exist. They won't go away. And neither will our grievances.

If you have read any of my posts you will know exactly who ''they'' are.

Obviously, I must not be typing in English or my ideas aren't making sense to anyone. Many see me as just some country crying like a baby and has way to much free time because he is a high school student. Wrong on all acounts, and I, like most of you, have just as much burden and responsibility to carry. Free time, yeah, right. All I wanted was some questions answered, offering nothing but complete understanding to try and answer the problem. Giving complete empathy to the moderators only to be met by stiffer and stiffer resistance, explain this to me? Oh well, we answered your question already on a number of times...but when I ask more questions they seem to disappear.

Thank you, I do appreciate your answering my one question and letting the rest fall through the cracks. When I think I understand the problem, I try to offer my solution, a solution which still has not been responded to, oh except for me to be locked out of my posts, but that's OK. I try to help the moderators with this problem, by offering some solution, give some idea, do they sit down and talk about it? No, they are too busy. If you are so damn busy, don't be a moderator, don't play this game.

At what cost? Locked out of my posts. Threatned. Just like in the real-world UN. Hmmm, how perfectly democratic. Santin, thanks for your rebuttal. I'm not sure if you have read any of my other posts, but if you have, thank you, but I think you are completly exageratting and blatently wrong, but that's my opinion. If you haven't read my other posts, then you are completly exageratting and blatently wrong. Don't want my opinions, fine, don't want my solutions, fine, don't want me to talk, fine. Nothing but hypocrites, the lot of you. Thank you for nothing.

Enodia, I'm sure you have your finger above the delete nation button, but I always appreciated you taking time to respond to my rantings, as I have always mentioned to anyone who posts on my documents. Never felt you had such hostilities when I was being as understanding as I possibly could be. So much for politics. So much for democracy. So much for the UN.

At no such time, did anyone, not moderator, not nation leader, ever offer to sit down and have a debate or at the very least attempt to exchange ideas on the problem. Every time, stiff resistance. If any one moderator posted to me asking: "If we just talk about this at a given time, and we will do our best to answer your questions, and we will be completly open to your or anyones suggestions; will you promise in turn to drop the subject?" I would of answered yes to this in a heartbeat. Instead, I am given very minimal answers that are so vague at times. When I try to understand the problem, no response. At no such time did they suggest, "Hey, I'm busy right now, let us talk about this at...". I would have been more than willing to accomadate the moderators. Anyone for that matter. How is this respect I've bestowed upon all of you received, with harsh rhetoric and locked out of my posts. What would you expect me to do? What do you expect me to think? How dare you all. I feel nothing but sympathy for those under your oppressive rule. You call yourself leaders? Politicians? You are nothing of the sort.

I am not sorry at all for any of my posts. All I have ever wanted was for people to think about this problem and try to offer some solutions, not just a handful of people. Thank you for nothing. Nothing. Hypocrites who at no such time practice the true meanings of democracy and the advancement of civilization. Nothing, but aristocratic oppressive monsters. For once in my life, I know how my countrymen felt when breaking off its chains from its oppressors. I now know what it is to be free of such oppression. I know the costs and isolation one must go through at times for such a noble cause. How can you ignore such a problem, that has been brought up so many times?

"It simply can't be done." You simply won't do it. Won't even try. Won't hear any thoughts people might have, won't hear any solutions presented to you. Whenever people bring up valid points, your answer is always, ''It must've slipped by one of us''. Yet, you come back and preach to us that you are doing your jobs. "We have lives to you know, it's hard being a moderator, it's easy for you to criticize, I recomend the job to anyone, I really do." Then don't be a moderator. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, don't cook. Or, when someone suggests you get a fan or AC, listen to their suggestion. Or you can be mindless, arrogant, and blatently rude and throw their ideas heedlessly to the side with out a thank you for your suggestion, but...

Never in my life have I been giving such a rude welcome. Such stiff resistance on such a simple idea. I no longer care to fight this fight for such ungrateful people. Such ungrateful nations. You all say you want repeals, but it simply can't be done. Explain to me why? Why can't it be done? I have asked this time and time again and when I respond to the proposed problems, nothing. I can not stress this fact enough. I have over a dozen other posts out there, lock them up to. Do what ever you will. You are just furthering my arguements. Peoples and Nations of the world, you live in a world in which you are given the minimum of rights you ask for. As long as this keeps you happy, you will live in ectasy no matter what rights are taken away, as long as you have those minimal few.

You may tighten and tighten your oppressive grip around me, but I will never waiver, I will never surrender my beliefs to you. The Independent States of Bytek will always be there to stand agaisnt you. The Independent States of Bytek will always be there to challenge your authority no matter the risks, no matter the costs. The Independent States of Bytek will always be a free member of the Peoples and Nations of the world.

[OOC]
to the Moderators.

While I understand that there is no repeal process nor can any changes be made to resolutions passed already. Can a resolution be submitted with the purpose to change a previous one? For instance. Resolved that studies show no enviornmental impact due to mixing of Ballast Water from ships of other regions.

While this resolution calls for the invalidating of the Ballast water resolution, it does not mean that any changes needs to be made. The Original Resolution will still be in the data base, no changes/deletions need to be implemented, and this should get the pro-repealers a minor victory.

Is this acceptable?

Ichi Ni, Terran Assemblage, and Collaboration. You have been my biggest supportors. I want you to know that in no way is the above post directed at you. Let me be clear on that. The above post is not directed at you whatsoever. I have nothing but gratitude to you three. You are friends. You are allies. The People of Bytek are forever indebted to you. I will support you and stand by you in what ever the occassion may be. If you ever need help, all you three need to do is ask and I will do everything within my power to help you. I am completly humble to you. I am forever in debted to your services. I thank you. I thank you. I thank you.

The only reason I attempted to talk to the moderators is because they were the only ones talking and at no such time did they suggest I take up my arguement with the Technical or Gameplay forum. I started in the UN forum to make a proposal for a referendum, uh, which is what you do in the UN forum is make proposals. I thought that the moderators were the people I needed to talk to, instead they are the police officers that make sure everything goes well, that's it. They never said once that I should try to make a case towards the Technical or Gameplay forum. Now, when I tried to do this, a random few took a look at my threads, but very few people would want to go through all the work of traversing from forum to forum thread to thread on such a slow mainframe, which is not the fault of anyone. Now, my thread in the technical forum too is locked out and I am told if I bring this up again I'll be tried for SPAM. The moderators are just as guilty as I am for not clarifying where to properly make my case. The reason I reposted my arguements "daily" is so that people could see them without going through pages of pages of threads. That's it. Most of the threads are older and just used to show people my views and make my case. If that's wrong, sorry, I didn't know. However, as Terran suggested, punishments are far to strict on first time offenders. Especially, when they have no idea that what they did was wrong. The more and more I talk and argue the more flaws are presented. Flaws that should be brought up with Technical and Gameplay, but I for one am not allowed to talk of such things anymore. My blood boils each time I think of how oppresive such behavior is. You tell me to calm down, I'm not even angry. Just upset. Again, just to clarify, thanks for nothing.

[OOC]
to the Moderators.

For instance. Resolved that studies show no enviornmental impact due to mixing of Ballast Water from ships of other regions.

What studies?

I've not seen these and I've looked around.

10kMichael

[OOC]
to the Moderators.

While I understand that there is no repeal process nor can any changes be made to resolutions passed already. Can a resolution be submitted with the purpose to change a previous one? For instance. Resolved that studies show no enviornmental impact due to mixing of Ballast Water from ships of other regions.

While this resolution calls for the invalidating of the Ballast water resolution, it does not mean that any changes needs to be made. The Original Resolution will still be in the data base, no changes/deletions need to be implemented, and this should get the pro-repealers a minor victory.

Is this acceptable?

This is the arguement I have been making for days. That's exactly what I have been suggesting. That's my solution. Present a proposal like any other proposal, yet no game mechanics are being altered. That's my exact arguement which to this day has done unanswered. May Ichi Ni type English better than I do. Maybe someone will listen to what he types, even though we are both logically asking the same thing.

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(Smirk) Heh heh heh, I * knew * some-one would say it openly, :lol:

Though I was thinking more " WTF ? Still ? " rather then " F F S " :wink:

Apology to all, I know you've all probably made these points, I kinda skipped over all the other posts here, in order to stroke my all powerful ego, :wink: , so without further a-do, oh, and sorry if its a * bit * long.

For a little over half-a-month We have been making Our case; following all of the rules and procedures laid fourth to Us, and how do They respond? They respond with nothing but stiff resistance and a complete lack of compromise.

I'd just like to say I've never really noted * you * making any compromise, hmmm? :) And rather then stiff resistance I've seen some very well worded arguments as to "Sorry, But No", and "The Why of It".

Today, I find that my inherent right to freedom of speech has been encroached upon.

Actualy, as befitting any Forum, or online game alowing the posting of messages, especially this one, :wink: ,

This not actually a place of free speech.

No it is not, I direct the attention of the good Bytek to the following, where one finds the line

"Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state."

You'll find it under Etiquette, in the FAQ from the main option tab window, you know, when you log in, you see World, Region, News, etc, etc, etc. I find it quite suitably explains the reasons most people get annoyed here, (Ignoring the server, :wink: ) and why alot of people find they suddenly don't have a nation any more. Did I say "God Bless our Glorious Mods" yet? :)

Not only have I been stripped of my right to post on my very own documents, but so have all the Nations of the world.

Odd, I'm having no trouble, maybe I should refer you to technical, or it is because you've lost your U.N. membership for annoying the moderators with constantly digging up and beating with many miss-shapen sticks an issue we refer to as the "Deadest of all Horses"? :wink:

Thomas Paine would call it common sense; Thomas Jefferson would consider this self-evident. What more proof do We need? It is the right of every Nation, indeed of every Person, to question; to criticize; to debate; to ignore; to their opinions. Are these not Our inherent rights? Have or have they not been granted to Us by such resolutions as ‘The Universal Bill of Rights’, ‘Rights and Duties of UN States’, ‘Universal Freedom of Choice’, and ‘Freedom of Humor’? Are We again to continue to heedlessly neglect Our obligations and sit by as these rights are slowly stripped back one, by one, by one?

Actually, these refer to citizenry of the Nation States we each rule, not us on the Forums, the Forums, and the Game Rules, are the sole juristiction of Max Barry and the Moderators. Bless'em all.

Our list of grievances:

Meeep, a list, this is going to be along post me-thinks.

We have on a number of occasions pleaded Our case to Them by traversing through the appropriate channels of politics and diplomacy.

Good on you.

At no such time have We broken or attempted to encroach upon these guidelines.

Hmm, I'll leave that one, go on.

On more than one occasion have Our ideas been ignored or casually thrown aside.

Usually for good reason me-thinks.

We have been more than compromising in trying to understand the problem, only to meet stiffer resistance the more We inquire in an attempt to better educate Ourselves to possibly offer solutions.

Moderators, amoung others here, also have only so much tolerance for saying, "READ THE DAMN F.A.Q ('s) and STICKIES. GRRR." :wink:

Our ideas have been deemed pointless and no longer has respect been given to Us in the manner in which We have bestowed unto Them.

See point above. Also consider when we all yelled "Game Mechanics". :)

When solutions are presented, no response is given; no respect given to the People who are in an attempt to further democracy and indeed civilization itself.

This aint strictly a democracy, and the U.N. is only a very basic and even perhaps flawed model of one.

Our solutions We find to be practical and simple, requiring no further modifications, yet when the same rebuttal is given, questions are asked and again ignored.

Usually cause some think the response in the form of the rebuttle also covered the further questions you asked.

They have refused to pass such a law of immediate importance for the good of the People and Nations of the world.

As is their power and right of postion to do so.

They refuse to tolerate unwarranted behavior that They themselves deem appropriate or not without any consent of the majority.

Huh? You mean they got pissed off about being nagged on and on...

Sorry, I am just, might I add, calling it all as I saw it...

Our very rights as the Peoples and Nations of the world have been encroached upon, inflicting damages not only to Our faith in democracy, but to the institution to which preaches the same ideals that We hold so dear.

The U.N. and Forum, as mentioned, are technically not a democracy, and if they are, think of the moderation and administration staff as semi-presidents for life. And you can't change the constitution. And a few other things too, but this post is dragging on enough...

When We attempt to continue to debate; to question; and to offer solutions We are in return warned not to bring fourth such ideas again with no definitive retaliation or boundaries set fourth.

Because it was said over and over and, in some cases, over, again.

They themselves have continued to undermine the very practices and ideals that they preach to uphold.

No, "They" are to up-hold the Game and the Forums. Not pander to the whims of the few, the loud, and those who simply don't / won't grasp the fundamentals.

On a number of occasions have Their limits been reached and lines crossed, and in an attempt to rein them back in We are met with an oppressive demeanor that becomes ever so pervasive.

Or perhaps they are just doing heir job.

The very power bestowed upon Them by the People has continued to be usurped from Our control.

Actually, you technically have no power, you / I are the common folk, they are the physical embodiment of the law, which comes from Max Barry, not the people, hence it is thus in similar strength to "The Word of God" as they say ...

Are We to continue to let Their usurpation grow to inexorable amounts?

No, cause it is not growing, it is their age old power simply being flexed in response to a transgression by a "mortal", deal with it and move on.

:wink:

It is now that I ask all Civilized Nations of the world, regardless of your governmental and ideological practices, to rise up and untangle those bonds that bind You to such an oppressive power. I ask that every Nation view this as an act of encroachment against their very thoughts and practices.

Yeah, leave the U.N., and the Forums, right, and take up only serious R.P - ing I suppose?, huh, (Snort)

...

My apology if this seems harsh, but its how I see it as all things stand at the moment.

Yours, in all his parrot like power, ( :wink: to Terren A. )

- The Rep of Komokom, Region Minister of Stuff.

Komokom, I just want to let you know you are probably the only person I could argue with all day and have fun too. You are the Yen to my Yang (haha, yang) and no matter how hard I push back against you; you keep on pushing just as hard back. Constantly, playing devils advocate. You piss me off. Make me think. I hate you at times too. In all honesty though, I wouldn't ask for anything more from such a perfectly perplexing relationship. Hiroto and Santin, I just don't like you very much. I'm sure you are deeply hurt and troubled by this.

So much for democracy, you say. Well, allow me to respond for the umpeenth time to both your original post and Terran Assemblage's. The thread will then be locked. I have warned you both before about carrying on this crusade or flogging a long dead horse (the two actions are somewhat identical these days in your cases). This is now your second and final warnings, both of you. In order to make this clearer:

STOP POSTING THIS SORT OF THING OR YOU WILL BE DELETED FOR SPAMMING
Do I make myself clear? Good. Now, for the final time, a response.

For a little over half-a-month We have been making Our case; following all of the rules and procedures laid fourth to Us, and how do They respond? They respond with nothing but stiff resistance and a complete lack of compromise.
As I've said, there is no compromise available on this issue. The game mechanics are a fundamental rule of the "universe" to which we both belong every day when we sign onto this game. To try to effect a compromise to them would be like saying - as I've tirelessly said as an example - that we want a compromise to the world being round. Perhaps sir would like it octagonal today? No. Well, we can do a very good cube-shaped world.
Yes, I am being deliberately facetious. It's the reaction I tend to give when people wilfully refuse to use their eyes and read what I've written on multiple occasions.

Today, I find that my inherent right to freedom of speech has been encroached upon. Not only have I been stripped of my right to post on my very own documents, but so have all the Nations of the world.
And this is for one simple reason - you wouldn't shut the hell up about them. Your questions have been answered. You have argued and whined and moaned about the answers. You have asked the same questions again under the guise of a compromise. They have been answered in the same way. You have complained again. There's a pattern beginning to emerge here. Can you see it?

Thomas Paine would call it common sense; Thomas Jefferson would consider this self-evident. What more proof do We need? It is the right of every Nation, indeed of every Person, to question; to criticize; to debate; to ignore; to their opinions. Are these not Our inherent rights?
Good for Paine and Jefferson. We have our own Pain here, only he's in the neck rather than in the history books, but I digress.
Again, it doesn't matter what any eminent political minds might think or not think. I've made it very clear that I agree a repeal would be a Good Thing. I've also made it more than very clear that a repeal cannot happen at the moment. This is, as I count it, the 4th or 5th time I've had to type this very response to you alone. I'm sick of it, quite frankly.
As for inherent rights - welcome to the world of private property. The day you pay Max a cent to post here is the day you'll have rights.

We have on a number of occasions pleaded Our case to Them by traversing through the appropriate channels of politics and diplomacy.
You've also been told that other channels are more appropriate (or at least TA has, do I really need to spell it out in words of one syllable or less for both of you?) and conveniently ignored that.
You've also had your case answered on a number of occasions. Just because you don't get what you want doesn't give you some kind of divinely-mandated right to continue to plead the same case over and over again.

At no such time have We broken or attempted to encroach upon these guidelines.
Depends what you mean. You've been warned about Spamming and you've continued this campaign. Sounds like breaking a guideline to me. But we've already established that the normal rules of the world don't seem to apply to this rhetorical gavotte you've got going here.

On more than one occasion have Our ideas been ignored or casually thrown aside.
By others, perhaps. By me, no. That is to say, I have explained on every occasion that your idea is contrary to game mechanics and that game mechanics are immutable. If that counts as casually throwing your ideas aside, then can I accuse you of casually throwing the same ideas at me every single time you clog the forums with another thread like this? Oh wait, the rules only apply when you get to define the terms. I'd quite forgotten.

We have been more than compromising in trying to understand the problem, only to meet stiffer resistance the more We inquire in an attempt to better educate Ourselves to possibly offer solutions.
Get this into your skull now - there is one solution and that is the status quo. I can't wave a magic wand and change it. Neither can you. Admin can change it but only when we're certain it will work well. I don't care what you claim to have been - you could have been a green octopus for all I care - there's no compromise position. Get used to it.

Our ideas have been deemed pointless and no longer has respect been given to Us in the manner in which We have bestowed unto Them.
I respect those who respect me. Part of that respect involves accepting the umpire's decision and living with it. Another part of that respect involves not insulting my intelligence by claiming that your position has moved one iota from the stance you took when you began this argument. Neither of us have budged, and I'm not going to, either.

When solutions are presented, no response is given; no respect given to the People who are in an attempt to further democracy and indeed civilization itself.
Completely and utterly untrue. A response has been given, to whit: "Wait for NS2", or "Wait for Admin to code it". Just because that isn't what you want to hear doesn't make it any less of a response. No means no.

Our solutions We find to be practical and simple, requiring no further modifications, yet when the same rebuttal is given, questions are asked and again ignored.
There's an exceedingly cheap shot begging to be taken, but I won't say it. What I will say, however, is that what you view as a practical and simple solution and what is a practical and simple solution are two very different things. The rebuttal doesn't vary from solution to solution because all of them require a change to some level of game mechanics, which (as we all know) can't be done without Admin intervention.

They have refused to pass such a law of immediate importance for the good of the People and Nations of the world.
Translation: We want the game to work this way, despite the fact that it doesn't have the capabilities to at the moment.
Well sorry. I believe this has already been dealt with several hundred times. If the game doesn't have the capabilities to work in a certain way, you could make a thousand threads about wanting it to change and none of them would make a whit of difference.

They refuse to tolerate unwarranted behavior that They themselves deem appropriate or not without any consent of the majority.
Looks as though someone's been reading a bit too much 17th century political theory here. I can't make head or tail of what you're saying, beyond some vague criticism of me for being the arbiter and saying that if you don't shut up with this ridiculous campaign then you'll be treated as a Spammer. Show me one difference between you and someone who constantly posts the same message on any other forum and I'll admit you have a point.

Our very rights as the Peoples and Nations of the world have been encroached upon, inflicting damages not only to Our faith in democracy, but to the institution to which preaches the same ideals that We hold so dear.
Good, the old "Democracy is Dead in the UN" argument. I was wondering when it would appear. One day people might actually realise that this is a game, rather than Democracy itself. Still, they might also realise that this particular argument is old, boring and starting to display signs of rigor mortis.

When We attempt to continue to debate; to question; and to offer solutions We are in return warned not to bring fourth such ideas again with no definitive retaliation or boundaries set fourth.
Alright. As you can see above, I've made it very clear what will happen to you if you continue to debate, questtion, offer solutions, or whatever you want to call this exercise in re-heated arguments.

They themselves have continued to undermine the very practices and ideals that they preach to uphold.
Beg pardon? Oh, I get you now. You've turned from a Repeal Proponent into an Anti-Mod. Next thing you'll be talking about secret dossiers of evidence against all Mods.

On a number of occasions have Their limits been reached and lines crossed, and in an attempt to rein them back in We are met with an oppressive demeanor that becomes ever so pervasive.

The very power bestowed upon Them by the People has continued to be usurped from Our control.
...and they are endowed by their creator with certain...we the People...no taxation without representation...one if by land...four-score and seven...ask not what your country...Oh sorry. I forgot you weren't writing one of the Great Civic Texts of America.

So much for Bytek's latest. I almost feel like the people of Wittenburg - "I say, Hans, did you see what that Martin Luther just posted?", "96 Theses, yes. I wonder what he'll do next".

Now, Terran Assemblage, who has very kindly written a much more succinct diatribe. The bottom line is that you can call us whatever you want, but this is the way the game runs. You don't like it, clearly. Well, that's the way it works.
The grievances mightn't go away, but neither will they be cured by constant whining. I know we need repeals. I've said I support the idea. Admin knows we need repeals. One day they might actually have the time to code the wretched things. What do you want to achieve by ranting and raving here?

Now, locking time. Remember my warnings above.