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A new proposal has been offered to increase the number of votes required to pass a UN resolution to 2/3 :!: :!: :!:


PLEASE APPROVE :!: :!: :!:

----The Head Cluck, Feather-Belly

That seems to be a game mechanics issue. I do support this idea however.... but until a game moderator give it the "thumbs up" as to actual utility........

well, you get the idea :)

thank you psychotropics

I expect your approval on the proposal in the meantime...
I will send a message to Admin.

Be careful. You wouldn't want to end up like me. Ejected from the United Nations. :(

=^o.o^=

Though you can actually tell the sentiment is increasing on the number of votes to pass a resolution by 2/3rds is increasing in number, not decreasing. And slapping people down on the issue is only going to make them shout some more. That's unless free speach is not part of the Nation States dictatorship.

I thank you for your concerns terran...

(and personally the way the UN is going I wouldn't mind that much being ejected from the UN if it doesn't improve :wink: )

I like it the way it is. What happens if a vote is passed by 65%? Or 60%? Those are still majority percentages and still show that most voters are in favor of the resolution.

yes votes are passed in many cases by a majority of more than 51%

However have you even thought to really look at some of the most recent proposals passed namely the education bill and currently the blood bank bill?

My argument stands :!:

A listed majority would be 66.4%

Anything less does not meet a 2/3rds majority vote. It would pass by counted votes, but not the majority percentile range. I consider anything past a 2/3rds vote, firmly entrenched as a universally accepted item and document. The dissenting voices would be few and far between. You could never argue against any resolution that was passed by a majority percentile. In some cases, after the passing of the resolution, some people are more likely to accept the item, after a short period of time.

Compared to some items in question that barely pass in a 51-55% margin where your going to hear the same arguement day after day until hell freezes over.

Terran, I'm a little lost as to if you agree with this idea or not...you seem to be going back and forth a little bit. Or are you saying it's a good idea, but it will never work? Please clarify

Oh I agree with the very top post WHOLE heartedly! Unfortunately I think I was the last person who was ejected from the UN for proposing a radical change to the game, because the MODS read it as something that would change the coding to the game mechanics.

Which was a very strict nono. All your going to get for an answer is a number of things. A warning. An ejection. Or get told that it may become part of NS2. I got two out of three of these. Though they said I was warned directly from the FAQ.

The mods have very rigid directives and rules where the FAQ is concerned.

are you now banned forever?

See I don't think that that's very fair...some other resolutions have passed that are simliar to this one...like ones about adding a search bar or changing the percent of delegates required to change a proposal into a resolution...I don't think it'd be fair to ban this one..hopefully it'll turn out ok!

That's the funny thing.

I couldn't say. Like I said. I've asked repeatedly and I've been given answers that contradict with each other.

And the few mods that I've talked to have evaded my 'yes or no' questions. I mean you ask a question where there's only two answers. Yes or no, and all I receieved in answer was summations that was like talking to a chinese poet giving you a riddle.

Getting a straight answer around here is like pulling teeth at the dentists office with a wrench and no novicane. Painful.

This is definitely unfair. Does this version of UNO has a court? ;)

Lol. I don't think so. But according to the Mod, I was in the wrong. (shrugs) Can't argue with a judge after you've been sentenced. Appeals are not allowed, remember.

Your ban seems to be another "victory" for democracy. ;)

I just went into the UNO, because the person who showed me this game told me to do this, but I know that I can always leave it.

And evidently even when I don't want to leave it. :lol:

Oh, I can still play. I just can't cast a vote for UN laws or resolutions. I can argue against or for any resolution made, just no voting.

But since the power is in the UN, there's very little reason to play except to check out one's own national issues and vote on those, or Roleplay in the RP forums.

don't you have some important friends who support you? maybe you could try to talk the the chefs again

I'm fairly new to the game as you can see under the Founding Date of my nation to the left. Hence I have not been around long enough to court favor with any mods, or any nation who is a highly placed friend of a mod, to help review my case.

And if any mod was swayed by a personal friend within the domains of the Nation States, I would consider highly biased and judgemental. There's very few places where I see an active mod that actually enforces the rules, so I was pleasantly surprised to know they were at least active. I like active mods. Maybe not some of the decisions, but at least their active, and they actually SPEAK to people. That's the only praise they'll get out of me.

Of course if there's a few mods around here which consider their job as a mod as more of a chore, then maybe they shouldn't have accepted the mod position in the first place. You accepted the position, you better be prepared to put up with a lot of heartache and a lot of back breaking patience.

And accepting a job as a moderator in a game based on world politics? That's either highly brave or the most stupidist thing i've seen to date. Poor people are exasperated and tired beyond all words on repeating why things are they way they are. TO BAD!

IT'S YOUR JOB!

i see, i'm also a newbie

* Waves !

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Hello all, here to clear up a few things for you, as I've seen hide'no'hair of Enodia, who usually deals with this kinda thing here.

Okay,

In the first place, its is a nice idea, the 2/3 thing, but yes, it is actually game mechanics, so no, it won't get passed.

Why game mechanics? Because the number of votes needed is in the code, there-fore you would need to re-code it, and as the moderators and administrators say, "No coding for us thanks, we're (not) NS2." :)

I know, I know, some of you think its a little sad, but thats the way it is, trust me, in my almost year of doddering about here ( :wink: ) moderators are getting more and more annoyed that people cannot except that these rules are just that, the rules.

Terran Assemblage, maybe you could telegram me details of your "case" :wink: as I do not know, I can hardly comment now...

Yes Chicken Traders, not enough people are reading the proposals, this is sadly all old hat for us here. :wink:

MHDrummers, all that about the search bar and percentage change, I know, I know ! But the thing is,

:idea: These proposals were made, submitted and voted on before the time of the "Mod's" and when re-coding was "in" so to speak. Then I think the entire, "Lets code this, this way, now" thing might have become a problem. Hence the no coding till NS2 argument.

In summing up, remember where most of these rules came from, Max Barry, and that no, this is not a place of free speech ( :wink: , I wonder how many of you did read that bit some-where here),

"Huh?" you say? Well, in conclusion,

Read the Rules.

Read the F.A.Q.

I know, not much , but its all I can suggest, Enodia could probably put it better. :)

- The Rep of Komokom.

(P.S. I don't think Terran Assemblage is banned "for-ever" there is always hope I would think. Also there is to * my * knowledge, no "Old Boy's Net" present with "Mod's" and "Mortals" :wink: It more getting to know them by asking intelligent questions, rising points of law (U.N. / N.S. / Game Mechanics), or simply striking up a chat? Though personally, I am interested do telegram me regarding your "case" and I will look into it independantly. Also yes, it is the moderators job, but they still have the right to tell us in th emost dead-pan-go-away-leave-us-alone-read-the-F.A.Q. voice :) )

(Shrugs)

Besides, it is really normal that most voters don't know what they vote for.

Amen to that.

I don't understand why they make people run in circles just to get a decent answer