clones
Should clones be granted the same rights according to U.N. human rights guide lines? :idea:
Tuesday Heights
10-04-2004, 06:11
If they're human, yes, if they're sentient hybrids, no.
From a more scientific standpoint, clones can produce viable offspring with non-clones, and so they're still members of whatever species they're cloned from. In other words, clones of humans are still humans, therefore they would still be granted human rights.
We, the free people of Vault 21, have had multiple altercations in this esteemed place on the subject of clones and whether or not they have rights, mostly against rabid anti-clone psychopaths who do not realize their true worth... but I digress...
A clone is just as much of a person as, for example, my neighbor, or your neighbor, or myself, or in fact you. This is mostly because any sufficiently advanced techniques for cloning are basically no different than natural birth, except that it happens in, or with the aid of a machine.
Some people say that this machine aid makes the resulting clone a non-person, which means that approximately 90% of the citizens of Vault 21 are not people, which means that the UN regulations in regards to personal freedoms and other such issues which only affect people are almost completely irrelevant. At this point our presence in the UN is an endless series of purely hateful remarks and opposition to most any issue, as only 10% of our population is awarded any benefits from this. This is why clones should be legally people.
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If the UN gives clones the same rights as humans... that means that we will start having to pay our sewage workers! We will also be forced to find a new way to harvest viable organs!
Egads!
No to this concept
Skeelzania
10-04-2004, 07:55
Even though I am not a UN member, this poll seems to be applying to everyone.
Under Skeelzanian Law, clones may only created through officially licensed plants, and all clones (human, hybrids, culture beef, etc) are considered property of their manufacturer, whether that be the goverment or a corporation.
Sophista
10-04-2004, 09:09
It should be a matter of genetics, really. If you don't want your sewage workers or manufactured people to be granted rights under such pro-clone legislation, simply alter their genetic code to the point where they are no longer human. While we don't follow this practice in Sophista, I've heard of nations that produce "genejacks," specifically modified humans with vastly different nervous systems. Not human? No human rights.
Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs
The Elesnarian Minister of Health had agreed to grant rights on clones. The reason is that cloning is a good thing for "repair" a lot of disabled humans and to heal diseases.
Because the Elesnarian major religion is Buddhism, so clonings are not forbidden. Without the existence of God as a creator, Elesnar find it is a good thing to clone humans.
Craggtopia
10-04-2004, 17:13
If clones are given equal rights it takes away the entire point of making clones in the first place, if you can not use them for medical purposes why bother making them in the first place? You wouldnt want to clone people for citizens because, in the words of groove armada "If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other"
Craggtopia
10-04-2004, 17:13
If clones are given equal rights it takes away the entire point of making clones in the first place, if you can not use them for medical purposes why bother making them in the first place? You wouldnt want to clone people for citizens because, in the words of groove armada "If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other"
Krygillia
10-04-2004, 18:35
Krygillian law entitles clones to full equality as citizens; clones, like regularly born people, are capable of thought and emotion. A clone is essentially like an identical twin of its donor genetically, so by extension if you could deny clones rights, you probably would have to ban rights for identical twins, too, and who wants to do that?
Like Elsenar, Krygillia has no religious feelings on the cloning issue. Krygillia's traditional religious background is native Krygillian Polytheism, though this has been losing ground somewhat to non-spiritual agnoticism and atheism. Buddhism also has a following in the southeast. None of Krygillia's religions has a stance against cloning, and in addition the Krygillian constitution strictly separates religion and state.
Regards,
His Imperial Majesty the Most Revered One of Krygillia