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is religion a good thing?
do u think that wars are causeed by it?
do u think that many nations are messed up beacause of it?
how do u think it started?

ill tell u what i think
the reason i think religion is stupid is beacuse there has been way too many wars because of it and y u ask beacuse they couldnt relise that its ok to be different but religion had its chance now its time for a new world order the time of no religion the time where u can exercise your faith in a new way in a world where no one has to tell u what to do some where u make good choises by your self and most imporantly a place where u wont be given spical treatment or exiled from this treatment a place where religion dose not exist welcome to punk land and the new world order and i propose the un think about what i said here and they give me the chance to make it a bill and pass this bill

I completely object to references using the blanket statement "Religion".

No wars have begun because of Buddhism. The ancient Egyptian, Greek, Roman and Persian empires did not fight because of their religions.

If you are going to say religion is bad, at least use specific examples.

And I doubt anyone will bother with a bill written by someone who cannot spell and has absolutely no grasp of the English language.

I'm guessing you're what, twelve years old? Look, you simply lack the knowledge to know why all the bad things in the world occur. Simply blaming them on "religion" is utterly ignorant.

ooc: whats your favorite bad religion song? :D

The Holy Empire of Gethamane resents this intolerance. Accusing Naucist philosophy of causing violence is, simply, absurd. You preach people being able to be different, but you're only attempting to homogenize the entire planet. This stinks of fascism and intolerance in its most despicable form: that which promises acceptance.

Religion has always been a powerful social force, one which represents cohesion and unity.

In times of war it is natural to resort to this force to reinforce the national temperment.

Seldom in the history of the last three centuries has religion been a major motivating factor in conflict; usually, it has been a tool. Take it away and something else will just be inserted in its place. Same problem, new tool. Because religion is not the root of the problem.

Whether good or bad, religion is here to stay.

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Ah, more enlightening yet incomprehensible rambling about those evil religious types. Bah. Go away and don't come back until your thought control campaign has failed and you've given up on it. Any attempt to "liberate" my nation from religion in any manner, whether removal of religious icons or attacks on temples or churches or mosques or whatever, will be resisted with absolute force.

is religion a good thing?
do u think that wars are causeed by it?
do u think that many nations are messed up beacause of it?
how do u think it started?

ill tell u what i think
the reason i think religion is stupid is beacuse there has been way too many wars because of it and y u ask beacuse they couldnt relise that its ok to be different but religion had its chance now its time for a new world order the time of no religion the time where u can exercise your faith in a new way in a world where no one has to tell u what to do some where u make good choises by your self and most imporantly a place where u wont be given spical treatment or exiled from this treatment a place where religion dose not exist welcome to punk land and the new world order and i propose the un think about what i said here and they give me the chance to make it a bill and pass this bill

think for yourself and now what the new york times says

(Waves at crowd)

Hello, !

Actually, as the designated over-vocal "I'm an Atheist!" and darn'd well known for it, person here.

This proposal, if you could call it that is... well, ...

Silly? Thats seems best suited, after all, the grammar alone made me cringe, let alone the misguided subject manner which takes no notice of... No, never mind, its silly. That should sum it up.

- The Rep of Komokom.

Ha ha! I agree with Komokom (I can't believe I just said that). :lol:

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- The Rep of Komokom.

I think it's good that people have something to believe in. I'm not religious myself. But my opinion about religion is that it is selfishness. And it is a fact that most of the wars in the world startes because of religions. And religion also creates prejudices against each other. Is this that kind of society we need? A society where different religions accuse each other? A society where everyone gos around terrified of each other? A society where people isolate themselfs together with their own people? No, thats not the society I want. I want a society where everyone is welcome and have the same rights. A society where people live in harmony. And religion is not the way to create this society. In many religions terrible things happen. For example are men allowed to beat and kill their wifes without getting in jail. But if a woman do the same to her husband she will get the death pennalty. This is not fair.

This is my opinion

ooc: whats your favorite bad religion song? :D


OOC: 'Infected' is a great song.

Well IMOV i see relegion as a way to controll the masses. but not all relegions are bad. some Anti-Relegion relegions (china) can cause wars just as easily.

Its not the relegions that are bad (for the most part) but the ways in which they are implemented. Just because you have a chainsaw doesnt mean its bad, its the way you use it that makes it good, or bad. Clearing trees to make a house, or to get rid of forst fire fuel is mostly good. but chopping up people is mostly bad.

It all depends on how it is being used.

Please excuse spelling errors in advance, its late, im tired, and frankly i dont take the time to spell check.

Grammer has very little to do with this case!
And I don't eahter have time to spell check.

With a sense of irony: (situation in France: nationalism vs. religion)
- Great revolution in France by democratic nationalists: massacres, religion banned, counting of time changed (calendar, days of week, counting of years restarted)
- > result: a dictator (Napoleon) comes and stops the revolution. Order restored.
- France occupied by nationalists under Hitler's reign: massacres, minorities lose rights, whole command hierarchy changed
- > result: democrasies (USA, UK) come and kick nationalists out. Order restored.
- Conclusion: religion is not the problem. It's us people. We can support democrasy or dictatorship, religion or atheism but we can't change the fact that we always wage war with each other...

Although the original post was rather clumsy it does raise one of the more
interesting topics of discussion

Good observations by silmacil. I'd just like to add the example of the former soviet union to back up the point. The first thing stalin did was burn down all the churches and synagogues under the notion that since religion was the "opiate of the masses" then the peasants might be able to improve their state in life if they were no longer suffering from the thought control of a corrupt institution. The problem was that Soviet era communism was an even more corrupt thought control institution. The main thing to notice is how an athiest megolithic state was then free to massacre millions of its own citizens without any need to adhere to a moral standard. So much for religion being the sole cause for death and destruction.
I say the fault lies in our selves not in the stars.
Meaning, Anyone can and will start a war, manipulating gullable peasants to die for your stupid cause can be facilitated through employment of religion, nationalism, or any of a number of less effective means.
The problem is the weak minds of the the majority of human beings(followers) combined with the clever ambition of an evil few(leaders)

I think it's good that people have something to believe in. I'm not religious myself. But my opinion about religion is that it is selfishness. And it is a fact that most of the wars in the world startes because of religions. And religion also creates prejudices against each other. Is this that kind of society we need? A society where different religions accuse each other? A society where everyone gos around terrified of each other? A society where people isolate themselfs together with their own people? No, thats not the society I want. I want a society where everyone is welcome and have the same rights. A society where people live in harmony. And religion is not the way to create this society. In many religions terrible things happen. For example are men allowed to beat and kill their wifes without getting in jail. But if a woman do the same to her husband she will get the death pennalty. This is not fair.

This is my opinion

your opinion is wrong

Many more wars have been starting not in the name of religion and when holy wars are starting, mainly its because of money, Napoleon was an athiest, millions died, Hitler was an athiest pagan, 50 million dead, Communism is responsible for over 100 million dead, oh but yes, blame religion, open a book and think for yourself

Which of these many recent wars were caused by religion?

Military Death Toll War Dates
1 20,000,000 Second World War 1937-45
2 8,500,000 First World War 1914-18
3 1,200,000 Korean War 1950-53
4 1,200,000 Chinese Civil War 1945-49
5 1,200,000 Vietnam War 1965-73
6 850,000 Iran-Iraq War 1980-88
7 800,000 Russian Civil War 1918-21
8 400,000 Chinese Civil War 1927-37
9 385,000 French Indochina 1945-54
10 200,000 Mexican Revolution 1911-20
10 200,000 Spanish Civil War 1936-39
12 160,000 French-Algerian War 1954-62
13 150,000 Afghanistan 1980-89
14 130,000 Russo-Japanese War 1904-05
15 100,000 Riffian War 1921-26
15 100,000 First Sudanese Civil War 1956-72
15 100,000 Russo-Polish War 1919-20
15 100,000 Biafran War 1967-70
19 90,000 Chaco War 1932-35
20 75,000 Abyssinian War 1935-36



Maybe ##6 and 13; it's a small number, anyway.

Wars are caused by conflicting claims for territory, power, empire, and resources.