NationStates Jolt Archive

I suggest a faster Un for it is to slow for certain things like rather we are accepted or not or haveing issues.......

It is as it is. Being a body comprised of thousands of nations, it moves at the rate one would expect.

Beaurocracy for all!

Politics is slow, in general, for to implement change takes time as history shows.

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I thinkt here should be a resolution to vote on everyday cause frankly being in the UN right now theres nothing to do. But sit and wait for delegates to support something. And so far none of them are getting enough support. Something has to be done. :evil:

How will there be a resolution every day? If no proposals are reaching the floor, surely that reflects on the proposals more than on the delegates.

Well, we're agreed the UN moves slowly, but it could hardly be otherwise given the difficulty of getting delegates onto a proposal. It takes time to TG up support, and you can be damn sure enough delegates won't read your proposal to get it to quorum without those telegrams.

This is, as has been noted, a proposal quality issue - most proposals are badly written, spurious, repeals, utterly unsuitable to be addressed by the UN, and so on. And there are a lot of 'em. In my brief, starry-eyed stint as delegate for some obscure and underpopulated region, I diligently scoured the entire list a couple of times, and it was a depressing task. Nobody - not mods, not delegates, not [violet] on amphetamines - should be expected to undergo that on a regular basis. So proposals have to take time, or nothing would ever get through.

Anyway, game mechanics and hence no point whinin'. Sigh.

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Abolish it.

instant gratification is a myth
only approached by computers and microwave ovens

i don't see how this silly thing can be called too slow when it does't allow time enough to garner real support for anything that is sufficiently immaginative and worth anything as it is

if anything the quality of issues and debate suffers from an excess of haste and infantile impatience

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To many of the delegates are slow in voting (if at all) on the proposals. They have a strangle hold on the UN because of their inactivity. The World suffers because of their sloth like inactions. If the delegates do not start moving in a direction that is needed, maybe it is time for other nations to rise up and move them out of the way.



Ragnar von Venomish
Czar of Boobkakistan

Lancamore agrees that the UN process is frustrating. Democracy is slow. Thats why people have kings and dictators: there is instant action.

Anyway, if members are looking for a higher quality of proposal, please examine the Freedom to Information act on Page 11 of the proposal list. It guarantees all people the right to access accurate and complete information about the world around them.

Thank you for your support!
Luke Beland
Patriarch of the Republic of Lancamore

oops - dp

Whilst I agree that most of the proposals I see on the list are either poorly-thought out or poorly expressed, a portion of the blame does lie with delegates. As a delegate myself, I am constantly frustrated that so very few take the time to briefly look through the list on a regular basis. It's actually quite simple - just look through the entire list once every 4 days, or look at the newest quarter every day, or the newest half every other day. It doesn't take as much time as some suggest, and it would right the wrong that now to get a proposal to quorum requires the far more time-consuming effort of telegramming delegates, which only ends up annoying them anyway.

If there was a decent chance of reaching quorum without spamming, more of the experienced players (who are currently discouraged because they recognise the futility) would submit well-written, well-thought out proposals, drafted in the forums. As it is, proposal submissions are dominated by those players who do not recognise the standards expected because they don't look on the forums - the flipside is that this lack of experience means they don't realise how difficult it is to reach quorum so aren't discouraged.

I'd like to see some more of the stupid proposals getting through in order to see how badly they would go when voted on by everyone

I would like proposals to not be forced on you. After the gay marriage proposal, because it was forced on me, I left.

because of the inactivity of nearly all of the delegates the Un will probably always be like this.

The answer to this issue (ie the great number of regional delegates) is quite simple: do not give your endorsements to the first person you meet. This problem is quite self-generated and also the only ones who can solve it are the players. The endorsement system's main function - allowing those willing to give much of their personal time to make sure that only sensible resolutions will be there for vote - can clearly not be fulfilled because many of you seem to just pick some random player and endorse him/her.
As we all know, a region can only have delegates if one is voted inside the region. Our admin is trying as hard as possible to prevent users from abusing the region's interal voting system by using many different ways to restrict UN accounts to one.
So lets all just stop the talk here and go check if the delegate in our own region is doing his/her stuff. If not, sack him/her and vote a new better one.
Thank you for attention.

Thing is, it's likely that those delegates that are the problem are also the ones that never check the forum...thus this is all in vain.

I hope I'm not offending anyone by doing this:

I totally agree that we don't have enough to vote on, and that much of the problem is that the quality of most resolutions don't warrant a vote. I also believe that the quorum no. is a bit high, perhaps 100 or so would suffice? I'm not sure where the 6% came from.

Now for the shameless part: the proposal submitted by my region, Space Defense Initiative (page 9 of the proposals as of Saturday evening) has around 100 approvals at present, which is, incidentally, the highest number of approvals any proposal presently has. I invite any and all of you who wish to have something before the UN, to gloss over the proposal and consider submitting your support to bring it to the floor for a debate and vote.

Thank you much.

Date, April 5th 2004,

Todays U.N. grief,

"The U.N. is this, the U.N. is that..."

And tomorrow... No prizes there... :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.