NationStates Jolt Archive

Tighten gun control
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.


Category: Gun Control Decision: Tighten Proposed by: DubyaShrubland
Description: My nation proposes that indeed, gun control should be tightened throughout the world. It is a crying shame that any lunatic can purchase a weapon, and murder dozens of people before the police can arrive to stop the mayhem.

Let it be known, that all citizens of the world, shall be required to take whatever courses shall be required, that they shall understand firearm safety, and become proficient in the use of small arms.

Let it be known, that all citizens of the world, shall be required to own, and to carry on their persons, at least one firearm, with a minimum caliber of .30. Additional weapons of a caliber less than .30 shall be permitted, as accessories.

Let it be known, that the UN requires it's citizens to be responsible for themselves, and that whiny crybabies who need police protection from dusk to dawn are unwanted. Grow up, or get out.

Henceforth, any victim of a crime who is found to have been unarmed at the time of the crime, shall forfeit the right to redress through the court systems. Those persons who are unwilling to fight for their rights shall find others unwilling to fight for them.

Humbly submitted by the representative of His Holy Dubya

Approvals: 19 (Valued Knowledge, Sagamie, SpawnVD, Alalalalalah, Right to Life, Teracknor, Holy Warfare, Debylistan, Skyerland, Superland, Ticondrius Major, The Axelands, Yenari, Sibylia, Ilusao, Freedmark, Die Nacht, Whats Left, Navatolis)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 135 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon Mar 29 2004




Come on people, let's show the sissies and whiny putzes how the world SHOULD be run!!!! We need only 135 more endorsements to reach quorum..... :D

blah blah blah i say shut the fuck up and go home!

So, what are you whining about, my neo nazi freind? Are you afraid of running your f---ing mouth to an armed public? Ha ha, LMAO, you sound like YOUR genes need flushing... 8)

i didnt even read your damn proposal hahah! u r just gay lol

i didnt even read your damn proposal hahah! u r just gay lol

What a moe-ron. May I suggest that you get a life, Idjit.

how about i have and and you are a dumn mother fucking son of a bitch shit face dog kissing basterd!

how about i have and and you are a dumn mother f--- son of a bitch shit face dog kissing basterd!

Ah, but he wasn't deleted. :lol:

Tighten gun control
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws. Category: Gun Control Decision: Tighten Proposed by: DubyaShrubland

I actually think we are yet to see one pass in this cat. Sure could make for interesting debate. Plus, it did not mention abortion or gay marriage once! (Thumbs up!)

Description: My nation proposes that indeed, gun control should be tightened throughout the world. It is a crying shame that any lunatic can purchase a weapon, and murder dozens of people before the police can arrive to stop the mayhem.

Agreed, America had Columbine, amooung others, Australia had the Port Athur massacre, and Europe, every second day of the week... In so far summation, a good strart.

Let it be known, that all citizens of the world, shall be required to take whatever courses shall be required, that they shall understand firearm safety, and become proficient in the use of small arms.

This too vague for my liking, you should try to be more specific regarding the coarses, whether national military service counts, define fire-arm safety a *little* bit more (I know how long winded it -can- be!) and better define small arms... you know, can I take my set of six Uzi's for a walk at night... :wink: Or a stroll in the park with my hunting rifle... ? :)

Let it be known, that all citizens of the world, shall be required to own, and to carry on their persons, at least one firearm, with a minimum caliber of .30. Additional weapons of a caliber less than .30 shall be permitted, as accessories.

Hmmm. I don't mind this too much in regard to the caliber size. Its not too bad, .30 is reasonable, though I would not mind it lowered to .20 as I know of people who've got them around .20 and could kill you just as dead as with a .30. :wink:

Let it be known, that the UN requires it's citizens to be responsible for themselves, and that whiny crybabies who need police protection from dusk to dawn are unwanted. Grow up, or get out.

Sorry, have to disagree with this, if the mafiso are threatening a guy with 30 trained and lethal hoods, whats one guy with a "small arm" or two going to do, its the old "guy with a pistol, probably still gonna loose to the guy with the machine gun." argument here I feel :wink:

Henceforth, any victim of a crime who is found to have been unarmed at the time of the crime, shall forfeit the right to redress through the court systems. Those persons who are unwilling to fight for their rights shall find others unwilling to fight for them.

Oh my god, they robbed me while I was in the shower naked, I left my gun out-side the glass cubicle so as not to get it wet, now I am stuffed, no court for me!

Or, I was in labour and the damn doctor took my purse!

Or, My tumor was removed and so was my gold watch!

:)

Lol, I know, I'll launch a vendetta! :wink:

Sorry, I really can't help myself tonight. Its all the sugar, I blame the sugar.

Come on people, let's show the sissies and whiny putzes how the world SHOULD be run!!!! We need only 135 more endorsements to reach quorum..... :D

: Blink :

Should be run? Hmmm. Never-mind... :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

We see this as a pretty terrible proposal, chiefly aimed at winding up states that aren't card-carrying gun fanatics. We're particularly concerned that you may wish to "forfeit the right to redress". Erm, no.

If the worst comes to the worst, we have a loophole we can exploit...

Maya Toitovna
Speaker for Home Affairs

On behalf of the people of Watfordshire,

I hope that the despotic fear-mongers of Dubyashrubland do not find the required support for their proposal. While we are always happy to exchange harsh words, we hope for the strength with which the workers of Dubyashrubland will rise up and stuff the ammunition of their overlords where the sun doesn't deign to shine.

ash holes

Felix Jethoscopes
Shiree Herald to the UN

We also disapprove of this proposal. We do not see firearms as having any use - the Council has powers at its disposal that are more than capable of dealing with any common crook.

Komokom, thank you for reading and thinking about this proposal. Yes, Columbine, Port Arthure, the list goes on and on. I often think that the guy doing the shooting is only half nuts. The real nuts are the people who KNOW things like this happen, but do NOTHING to prepare themselves for the eventuality. (Oh, I know, they hire more cops, then send the cops off to harass honest citizens who want to get high, lol)

I left the requirements for training rather vague on purpose. "Proficient" is a term commonly used by police forces, military forces, and others. It is expected that citizens be "proficient". It is not our intention that a citizen be confined to a thousand real time hours of classes, if he can learn to use his weapon in eight hours of training, and show proficiency. On the other hand, the person who DOES train for a thousand hours and remains incompetent, well, maybe we should feed him to the sharks, or the dingoes. We do intend to clean up the gene pool, after all.

I settled on 30 caliber as a requirement, as statistics say that anything smaller is simply not a man-stopper. Realistically, they don't pack enough energy to drop the average man. An expert will quite naturally put ANY caliber weapon to best use, and may very well drop an enraged hulk on the first shot, but it's still an inferior choice. Many people recover from gunshot wounds of less than .30, while, almost no one recovers from a wound of .45 caliber.

Ha ha, you're having fun trying to figure out when it might be alright to go unarmed. Fair enough. Showers? How often do you shower out in public, where the nutcases are likely to attack you? And, when's the last time someone was mugged in the delivery room of a hospital? Gotta do better than that.

"The way it should be run." Yes. The world's population should NOT rely on that idiot "911" to solve all it's problems. A person should be responsible for his own person, and be willing to step forward to help another citizen. Unlike today's behaviour, where people in general will walk avoid confrontation at any cost. Basically, it's the "at any cost" part that bothers me. The US, among others, is rapidly becoming police states, which I simply cannot stomach.

"The way it should be run." Yes. The world's population should NOT rely on that idiot "911" to solve all it's problems. A person should be responsible for his own person, and be willing to step forward to help another citizen.

This may work in your nation and we respect your right to handle law enforcement as you see fit. However, we prefer not to encourage vigilantism and have no desire to see our citizens go armed, particularly since we have no armed forces and our police do not carry firearms.

Since our latest UN report tells us that "crime is totally unknown" in East Hackney, we must be doing something right. So please allow us to continue controlling crime as we see fit.

"A person should be responsible for his own person, and be willing to step forward to help another citizen. Unlike today's behaviour, where people in general will walk avoid confrontation at any cost."

Actually, I agree with this. But I don't agree that guns are the answer. We too have unknown crime (according to the great god of NS stats) and intend to maintain the status quo. Introducing firearms to our society may have a highly destabilising effect.

Regardless, we hold the view that the issue of gun ownership should be dealt with on a national level. We do not wish to inflict our anti-gun ideals on your nation. We would be grateful if other nations would reciprocate.

File next to abortion...

Maya Toitovna
Speaker for Home Affairs

Agreed, America had Columbine, amooung others, Australia had the Port Athur massacre, and Europe, every second day of the week... In so far summation, a good strart.

Excuse me?

Since we are resorting to real world examples, I think you'll find that every nation in the world is worried of suffering gun crime on the scale experienced in America.

And I totally disagree with putting more guns on the street. I believe that the only option is to bring about tighter regulations on the arms manufacturing industry exports, preventing weapons entering the black market, and regulating the arms industry

The only question I have is: What age do you require citizens to start packing heat at? Do you really want a 5 year old walking around with
a gun? Almost all children play games that involve pretend shooting, add a real gun, and you’d have a lot of injured and dead kids. And if you do make the age limit around 18, what happens to all
the people under 18 who get stuck up or become a victim? I like the idea
and think its a good proposal but just clarify those points for me.

I am about to become delegate of The Beach. So I will approve this proposal as soon as that happens.

No No No. We cannot support a requirement that citizens carry guns. While we will not restrict the right to own the firearm (although my government will be the only seller of the ammunition), to require one carry a gun is short of anarchy. What is to prevent the weapon from being stolen, thus requiring the original owner to yet again buy one?

Plus, to ban those who do not own guns the right to sue those who commit crimes against them using guns is stripping them of the equal rights that UN Regulations currently provide them. That creates yet another "second class" citizen, which the UN has clearly stated in a number of resolutions does not exist on our planet.

Shame on this proposal. Pure Shame.

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In Rehochipe we also have no crime whatsoever (largely due to our excellent education system and social equality), and indeed are phasing out conventional police forces in favour of community policing. Our police officers carried no guns before this move, and our citizens will carry no guns after it. This system works perfectly well for us. We are inclined to view nations that create conditions for violent crime, then try to fight it with more violence, as deeply misguided.

In any case, we view this policy as utterly unsuitable for the UN, believe it to be obvious that it hasn't a hope in hell of passing, and therefore imagine it was posted merely to annoy well-run states. We therefore won't waste time picking apart the holes in the document.

We therefore won't waste time picking apart the holes in the document.

*looks at his calendar*
*looks at the resolution*

Hmmm, it is March 31st. ;)

While I agree with your nation's position that crime is best solved in ways unique to individual nations (again the sovereignty issue comes to mind), I am glad to see that the author of this proposal felt comfortable enough in bringing this issue to the UN.

I'll vote against it, but for the reason Rehochipe and Gayles both stated: I don't believe this is the best solution. It certainly may work in some nations, but like I typically ask, "Why is petty crime in one country the business of the world?"

If we were talking international crime, I would probably have an entirely different position, but this proposal didn't seem to have international standing.

10kMichael

I've read DubyaShrubland's reply to my post and have this to say,

While I think this is a fairly well written proposal with a reasonably rational view, in comparrision to past proposed solutions,

I must say I will not support this proposal as it is not only contrary to my nations views, but we feel there are better ways to deal with the problem, Also we found some parts too vague for our liking.

Oh, yes and my key reason which I am almost always un-shake-able on is,

There are at least one N.S. issues which deal with this problem and I think there may be more, there-fore in the interests of the re-affirmation on the precedent of national sov. handling such issues, I must decide against giving it my support, while I still say to the writter it is an admirable effort and wish them luck, simply as a proffesional curtesy.

- The Rep of Komokom.

There are at least one N.S. issues which deal with this problem and I think there may be more, there-fore in the interests of the re-affirmation on the precedent of national sov. handling such issues, I must decide against giving it my support, while I still say to the writter it is an admirable effort and wish them luck, simply as a proffesional curtesy.


Keep in mind that there are NationStates issues that deal with:

- children serving in the military / conscription
- civil unions (a proposal you've made)

and a host of other issues that the UN has already decided upon. While I find that the above proposal has no interntional standing, due to the nature of game mechanics in allowing representatives the freedom to explore most issues and all players the ability to write issues, I think you'll find that drawing a line based only on the existence of issues will put *many* possible UN topics out of reach.

I urge all representatives to consider drawing that line as an international standing issue instead. I have yet to have an issue where I can decide upon the domestic policies of another nation, but all of our societies engage in some activities that may not be completely contained within our borders.

10kMichael