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Hello all,

A growing concern of my nation is how changes in the global climate are impacting us all. This is clearly an international concern, as all of our economies are tied to the environment.

All too often we've heard rumours of temperature increases, though years ago rumours were of a new ice age and temperature decreases.

Clearly the very definiton of Climate Change needs to be addressed.

Instead of rushing off and forming a resolution before researching the many facets of this international problem, I propose we discuss our concerns and share our research in what I'd like to call the ad hoc International Panel for Climate Change.

Furthermore, some basic ground rules for our ad hoc IPCC:

- Anybody (even non UN Members) is encouraged to talk in this thread,

- All climate change issues (economics to environment) should be discussed here,

- This post is not a resolution, but the IPCC discussions can later be used for creating international frameworks and/or UN resolutions.

Let's share ideas. I'll start talking about my nation's experiences with climate change in this thread! Hopefully after a long time in working together we can find a super majority and address this problem.

10kMichael

[OOC: Since NationStates is fiction, I think the way we can use existing recommendations would be to creatively adopt some national reports and standards as our own, and then use existing international standards as only a starting place for our discussions. Let's see if we can have fun taking climate change on its own course that is representative of NationStates! Finally, I'm honestly not trying to rush anything, but I think if we work together we can make a kickn' series of resolutions!] :)

A growing concern of my nation is how changes in the global climate are impacting us all. This is clearly an international concern, as all of our economies are tied to the environment.

We sincerely hope you realise what a can of worms you've just opened up with a statement like that... a large and vocal minority of nations here seem to disagree...

Great idea, though, and we'll be despatching an official delegate to the Panel in due course.

Explain yourself to your meaing, "Can of worms."

Pray do tell what can of worms he could possibly be opening up?

Explain yourself to your meaing, "Can of worms."

Pray do tell what can of worms he could possibly be opening up?

I'll take a stab at it, because I do recognize East Hackney's point based on experience domestically and debating environmental proposals here in the UN.

Some nations place an emphasis on their economies, especially their short-term issues, and since environmental quality often comes at the expense of short-term development, the opposition is frequently strong.

My government has made the case that economic impacts need to be divided into long-term and short-term, and holds the opinion (not fact) that long-term development is more crucial than short-term.

But in any case, it would be foolish to ignore either short-term or long-term economic impacts. The very problem is often involved in finding the balance point between the two ... it will certainly prove interesting.

It all comes down to a balance of nature and economical business interests. But it does come to a point of absolutes in the present. Either you can breath fresh air or you can breath carbon monoxide. There is no doubt that many at the present give the arguement that we have many industrias first rate societies and those industries have not impacted the natural environment when it comes to our livelihoods. We still grow crops, we have set aside national parks, and many regions through their use of strict environmental control, may protect our natural environment.

Our own nation thrives within a jungle like cornucopia wild. But that does not mean we are going to solely allow the fruits of our labor to be freely given. Many nations do not grow their own food, because they have no arible land in which to grow. Nothing except skyscrapers, highways, and millions of motor vehicles spewing toxic gases.

Today many say, 'that is not my problem'. But in the future it will no longer be your problem because you will be long dead, when your grand children and your grand childrens children begin to sufficate, starve, and wallow in misery by the very problems that their forefathers have created. There comes a time to say when enough is enough. The power of greed should not come before the future in which we build for our own childrens future. We should endorse Mikitivity's plan while we are still able and alive. Not just for our own welfare, but for the welfare of our future brethren.

For the first basic question posed to the panel (i.e. anybody who wants to reply):

Does your nation (perhaps through national research or data collection) feel that climate change is something your nation can deal with on its own?

The Holy empire of Kyriana feels that our environment should play a crucial role in our day to day politics. In this, we would be able to keep a watchful eye on potential issues.

The Holy Empire of Kyriana would support such an issue in the face of global concerns.

Ecopoeia wishes to register its support for this panel. We hope to have a fuller response prepared shortly.

Ann Clayborne
Speaker for the Environment
Ecopoeian Delegate to the IPCC

Explain yourself to your meaing, "Can of worms."

Pray do tell what can of worms he could possibly be opening up?

Thanks to Mikitivity for nailing it. A number of nations on this forum have previously argued very strongly that the UN has no business intervening in any environmental issues whatsoever since they are all matters of purely national concern. We believe that this is flatly wrong and, although we think Mikitivity's idea is excellent, we're not looking forward to having to retread all those arguments.