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Principle of Unito Caro

- The Rep of Komokom implores, respectfully, the member body of the United Nations to consider the following proposal of Unito Caro.

Unito Caro: The idea that the two parties to a marriage are regarded as one person.

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Aware: That homosexual marriage is enshrined in U.N. law.

Alarmed by: The recently heated debate in the U.N. Forum over the validity of marriage in modern societies many of diverse and differing cultures.

Having considered: The importance of marriage to many peoples in the said societies.

Noting with regret: That some may try to differ between marriage and civil unions, and try to impose with international law acts which may impinge on the inherent rights of member nations citizens and the idea of all peoples being subject to the collective right of equality.

Recognising: That while people will want to marry or engage in an civil union on an emotional and/or financial basis, they should thus be allowed to as it (marriage and civil unions) is at this time a major component in societies around the world and should not be grossly restricted as some propose.

Let it be resolved that: The legal principle of Unito Caro will be enforced by all member nations who allow the act of marriage in any form, either in the traditional sense applying to heterosexual and homosexual couples and also to the civil unions issued by member nation states.

This proposal thus endorses: The fact that its passing will entitle all citizens of member nation states if they are either married in the traditional sense or have taken part in a civil union, to the same benefits which marriage and some civil unions may entitle the two parties to currently, and may in the future, via the legal principle of Unito Caro, the idea that the two parties to a marriage are regarded as one person.

Yet to be classified in category and strength

- Composed by The Rep of Komokom, with most noted assistance from...

(There, now I am sure Mikitivity will be able to sleep at night)

Well, there you have it. I'll probably be off for a few days, so I am leaving this here to develop in positive comments, I hope. :wink:

All flamers will be set alight them-selves with their own silly fluffy comments. As flamers are. :wink:

I await your comments, and pedantics... I think thats the word, eh, it'll do.

:)

- The Rep of Komokom.

(Yeah, if theres anything really up with it, I blame the fact it was written at 11:30 PM while I was high on coffee. But enjoy!)

Principle of Unito Caro

Noting with regret: That some may try to differ between marriage and civil unions, and try to impose with international law acts which may impinge on the inherent rights of member nations citizens and the idea of all peoples being subject to the collective right of equality.

- Composed by The Rep of Komokom, with most noted assistance from...

Yet to be classified in category and strength

Well, there you have it. I'll probably be off for a few days, so I am leaving this here to develop in positive comments, I hope. :wink:

All flamers will be set alight them-selves with their own silly fluffy comments. As flamers are. :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

(Yeah, if theres anything really up with it, I blame the fact it was written at 11:30 PM while I was high on coffee. But enjoy!)

This isn't a flame, but really if you can't explain what the international standing is other than, "The UN made a mistake in the past and passed international laws of a domestic nature, let's do it again!", then I can promise you, that your resolution will have at least as many no votes as the last resolution did.

Second, it really isn't necessary to list in the resolution who helped create a resolution. It comes off as show-boating. Are you writing resolutions to solve international problems or to see your nation's name in the history of adopted resolutions? With that in mind I urge you not to turn this UN into some high school yearbook and drop the "composed with help from" section.

If you want to give credit, just do it in the thread itself. Your allies will feel grateful and the focus of the resolution will be on the problem ... not grandstanding.

10kMichael

This isn't a flame, but really if you can't explain what the international standing is other than, "The UN made a mistake in the past and passed international laws of a domestic nature, let's do it again!", then I can promise you, that your resolution will have at least as many no votes as the last resolution did.

Yes. Not a flame. A rave, a bitch'in session, a mildly pschotic rant against my draft, but never a flame. I love how people can words their "positive" comments in such a way as to not only insult me, but also confuse me in part:

(An aside from an edit: Last resolution, pray tell me what it is of which you speak?)

Excuse me, what the heck is "International standing" to do with anything, hello, could you try to link it to your argument so my first question is not what are you on but rather then what do you mean?

I never said the U.N. made a mistake, what the heck are you on?

I did mentioned failed attempts by a few to do so, I never-ever blamed the U.N. , try reading the damn thing fully before picking at me and it, especially at me.

Second, it really isn't necessary to list in the resolution who helped create a resolution. It comes off as show-boating. Are you writing resolutions to solve international problems or to see your nation's name in the history of adopted resolutions? With that in mind I urge you not to turn this UN into some high school yearbook and drop the "composed with help from" section.

If you want to give credit, just do it in the thread itself. Your allies will feel grateful and the focus of the resolution will be on the problem ... not grandstanding.

Actually, the "show-boating" you mentioned was not meant to be part of the proposal, it was there so I could list up during the several, I had hoped, draftings, the people who had assisted me in the writing of, so others would know they were known to provide learned assistance. It was not meant to be shown as part of the proposal itself, I got mixed up placing the quote marks.

Yes, I made a mistake, and I will fix that for you.

My mistake, but thank-you for generously insulting me and muddying my name before the readers here, I do so appreciate such civilised debate, perhaps now you'd like to move on and make a refined comment on my mother too?

Quite frankly the grand-standing seems to be that of some one all to busy on finding fault in me rather then my proposal, but rest assured, I will respect your frankly blatant yet polished name calling and make the changes to the draft, a thousand pardons to you.

- The Rep of Komokom. Wondering quite frankly why he bothers.

By the way, any one actually have a problem with the proposal itself? Thats what I had hoped this was about, save the glorified name calling for telegrams, at least then I can reply back on equal terms, rather then risk dragging myself down to your level here.

The Council of Enn views this as a worthy proposal, and supports it.

As a government lead by a gay leader, The Commonwealth of Ritsa strongly supports this proposal, and it can look forward to its delegate vote.

Thanks for the support, odd that, when people read the proposal they like it, and decide rather to applaud it then poke nastiness at me. Huh, some one whose been in here could learn from that.

... :)

Thanks to all my proposals supporters so far, I'll be leaving draft one up for a few days to gather some info, then move to draft 2 should need be.

- The Rep of Komokom.

I like it. You know what I say...

...you don’t well it goes something like-

The members of the UN collectively regulate it. We decide what is suitable and what is not.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

Hey, only need Seers to approve, and we have a 100% regional approval rating!

Hmmm.

(Evil organ music)

"Ze brainz vashing iz go-zing as planned... Mu hu ha ha ha."

Ahem, I mean yeah!

:wink:

- The Rep of Komokom, warning all yonder he may not be back for a few days, stupid band-width.

Yes. Not a flame. A rave, a bitch'in session, a mildly pschotic rant against my draft, but never a flame. I love how people can words their "positive" comments in such a way as to not only insult me, but also confuse me in part:


If you are going to be insulted any time anybody doesn't see things your way, then you'll see flames on a daily basis.


Excuse me, what the heck is "International standing" to do with anything, hello, could you try to link it to your argument so my first question is not what are you on but rather then what do you mean?


"What I am on?"

Save for your trolling for somebody who gives a fuck, I'm not here to grandstand ... ::sigh:: I'm not going to lower myself to your level nor respond to your insults.

I will talk about international standing though ...

International standing is something most of us understand. It means that only issues that are an international problem should be dealt with by the UN. It is the idea described in the Rights and Duties resolution and basis for sovereignty.


In most of our legal systems, issues can only be brought before a court if a party has standing. That means that they stand to lose or gain by the decision of the court.

For example, let's assume that in your country that there is a Pledge of Alleigence that includes the words, "Under God". Let's pretend your nation is secular (that means that there is a complete separation of church and state).

The only person who could bring the issue forward to your court system would be somebody who was forced to say "Under God". This person would have to prove to the court that your nation's policy caused him grief.

In the context of international diplomacy (OOC: you'll see the real world works this way too), issues that come before the UN have to be issues that have an international context. Why? Each of us makes decisions on national issues once a week to as frequent as two times a day. While some of our decisions can and will impact our neighbors others won't.

How about this as an example:
Hair color. People waste money on dying their hair. This is a waste of a resource. Hair is necessary to keep the head warm and protected from the sun, but racists use hair color as a means to discriminate. The UN should therefore force everybody to shave their heads, thus eliminating hair dying costs and discrimination.

But guess what? Not only is that a stupid idea (like many of the ideas considered by the UN), but different solutions work better for differerent cultures. There is no pressing international need to really address this problem, because my hair color shouldn't make a single different to the opinions or hair color of somebody living in your country. And even if somebody in your country was stupid enough to worry about the hair color of somebody in Mikitivity, the truth is, it isn't going to make the world better or worse.

Who really cares?

All your proposal does is say, Hey World! I'm better than you! I know how to solve your domestic problems!

The fact that instead of illustrating the international standing of your proposal that you feel the need to personally attack me really underscores just how weak your position is.

* Post respectfully edited on behalf of Terran Assemblage. Who's comment below I have taken on board, and will say only that I wrote the previous lines here in a moment of anger. My apology for my momentary lack of resiliance. :oops:

Though I say I disagree with some of your post though, I find it is usually a case of needing to be sounding like a broken record, its force of habit here, sorry. :wink:

And I did not reply per-say, or how ever its spelt, cause when I did here, you did not it seems get I was extremely annoyed at certain views on me expressed here and abroad this forum, and simply refuse to dignify them with any meaningful response, not finding the comments meaningful in themselves :wink: .

- The Rep of Komokom.

You have a serious broken record and parroting what people say issue don't you?

I ask that the delegate Komokom would refrain from his excessive acting like a bird retorting every written word by other members, or being a stuck needle in a vynel record, and just RESPOND to a previous post. It would certainly look more decently written.

* Looks up from talking to those offering words of wisdom and support, and utters the immortal if usually deleted in other circumstances lines of:

Your an (censored word),
You probably come from a long line of (censored word),
Your family crest is thant of an (censored word) on a field of (censored word). And that is that.

Great thing is, I censored it myself, hence every censored word probably means "frying-pan".

(Directed not at Terran Asseblage might I add, though if I am a parrot, they will darn'd well end up a cracker if they don't watch it! :wink: )

* Turns back to those who wish to have some input for the bettering of the thread, in the hope that * all * parties can leave personal differances behind, now I got the above out of my system.

:wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

I'm a virgin.

I come from a long distinguished lineage which can trace it's ancestry to 16th century royalty.

My families coat of arms is an Argent, a Chevron Sable between three Cornish Choughs proper each holding in the bill an Ermine Spot.

And my families crest is a Cornish Chough proper holding in the dexter claw a Fleur-de-Lis Or.

The Williams family motto is, "Duw A Ddapar Y'r Brain". (God Feeds The Ravens.)

:P Thpppppt.

I'm a virgin.

Errr, and many happy returns? :wink:

I come from a long distinguished lineage which can trace it's ancestry to 16th century royalty.

I had a not too distant one come off the Australian "First Fleet" as a convict, stole the lead of a church roof so we found. Irony, oh the irony... :wink:

My families coat of arms is an Argent, a Chevron Sable between three Cornish Choughs proper each holding in the bill an Ermine Spot.

I think I know those words. No, I don't. Dan'd my being born in back-wards Australia.

And my families crest is a Cornish Chough proper holding in the dexter claw a Fleur-de-Lis Or.

* Bows,

"Your majesty"

The Williams family motto is, "Duw A Ddapar Y'r Brain". (God Feeds The Ravens.)

Uh huh. He also makes the sun rise. Or is that truth, oh, I don't know.

On another note, as I said in my last post,

I DID NOT MEAN YOU YOU DOLT.

:)

- The Rep of Komokom.

I'm not a dolt, I'm a moron. (sighs) I don't know how many people I have to remind of this fact. Sheesh. Your parroting again.

=^o.o^=

Its how I structure these things, to make them clear, you know, so people DON'T TAKE SEMI-OFFENCE AT THINGS I POST WHICH ARE NOT ABOUT THEM.

(Moron, :wink: )

- The Rep of Komokom.

Komokom & Mikitivity - I find this very sad. I hope you can both put the last couple of days' enmity behind you.

Terran Assemblage - you have your preference for posting 'etiquette', others have theirs. I don't regard yours as any more valid. The reason I don't 'parrot' in the manner of, say, Komokom is because, er, I don't know how to (and can't be bothered to work it out)...

Anyway...with regards to the proposal, I'm afraid Ecopoeia will treat it with bored indifference. We believe time should be called on this field of legislation, which is of dubious international significance.

Frank Chalmers
Speaker for International Relations

Komokom & Mikitivity - I find this very sad. I hope you can both put the last couple of days' enmity behind you.


Ecopoeia,

I've always valued your opinion, but I feel sorry you seem to feel that my country's reply on the proposal was a personal attack on anybody, because I felt that my last post (the one before the current one) in this thread was even handed and fair to the topic at hand.

Though if you, felt that my post crossed the line, I'd personally appreciate it if you would politely explain why?


10kMichael

10kMichael, I'd like to clarify that I didn't interpret your post as a personal attack. I was merely expressing my dismay at the seeming breakdown in relations between your nation and Komokom expressed in these (and other) exchanges.

I have telegrammed you with a fuller reply.

Sincere best wishes

Frank Chalmers
Speaker for International Relations

Well, I don't know what Mikitivity has to say, but I am proud of niether of our comments, hence A) One here been removed, and B) Others I remembered being edited a little. Aside from that I am planning to let by-gones, be, errr, dugongs or how ever it does, anyway, yes, there-fore I am willing to make a ceasation of diplomatic hostilities, a ceasation of this proposal, till I re-write it next week, and...

Where was I? Oh yeah, I'm over it all. This thread will remain though as I still wish to collect valuable feed-back. :)

- The Rep of Komokom.