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"Right To Appeal


Category: Political Stability
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Terran Assemblage

Description: It is with understanding that regions, laws, and governmental politics are mercurial at best. That laws may change according to the needs of nations or court systems do to unforseen events and occurances. That this change may be instigated by either forces and actions within or without of national bounderies.

At certain junctures of time, nations of one region may change leadership, laws, membership, and philosophy. With this change past executive decisions may be overturned, overlooked, or ammended to new ideals and laws which more closely reflect the newer government or entire regions.

A proposition to change, amend, or repeal a law must be arbitrary to all parties, or of two thirds commital votes within the UN member nations. Any law, including that of UN law that does not meet a 2/3rds majority vote may be appealed and revoted upon or ammended.

It can not be said that nothing be written in stone and that decisions made in haste, or without full disclosure of information to the public awareness, should be given the chance to be rectified. Knowing that we hold this truth to be universal, that errors can be made and correct, timely, solutions can be implemented to the contentment of all nations and regions.

We put forward this Right To Appeal any UN law or resolution not meeting a 2/3rds majority vote. At any moment in future time, second thoughts or change in political climate may occur within the bounderies of any or all UN member nations. That every nation be allowed the chance to recast their vote on decisions whose bases are not wholly understood because of innacurate information, or decisions passed by the most narrowist of margins. We also concede that any law passed by a majority 2/3rds vote is popularly accepted by the majority of member nations and shall be exempt from this Right."

I need your help.

Go to the regular Nationstates.net
Go to United Nations
Go to Proposals
List proposals
Search for Right To Appeal

Cast your endorsement, but only if you believe in the validity of my proposal.

I'm not actually a mod, so I don't carry the Word of Power, but this should help you know what's going on.

Sticky: Before you make a proposal... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77286)

A proposal to allow resolution repeal is a game mechanics change and therefore outside of the UN's jurisdiction. A proposal to allow game mechanics changes is itself a game mechanics change and is also outside of the UN's jurisdiction. If you really want to go with this, you'd probably do better posting it in the Technical forum; as is, though, this power is suggested and turned down on a regular basis. Repeals will likely be a feature in NS2, but for the time being are not available.

The appeal of a passed UN resolution could be revoted upon because it is not wholly a 2/3rds majority acceptance. I suppose if you had to keep it simple, you could either reword the original resolution into a new resolution in such a way that a vast majority of the UN member nations would accept it over a 2/3rds vote. This would either make the previous resolution obsolete, or be considered ammended or no longer binding, even though it would still be listed.

In any case it would allow a resolution to be questioned in it's validity as a legal binding document. 2/3rds vote would equal to 66.4%

We concede that if a resolution passed muster of a majority 66.4% of the counted votes that it is a popular resolution, and would remain unquestioned in it's legal binding. Though any resolution just passing by a majority of the 51%+ range percentile, under the 66.4% vast majority vote, we question it's total and absolute acceptance and popularity as a fit resolution for law.

I do accept that maybe I should put this in technical, and maybe they would bring it into the mechanics of NS2. But I sure would like to see it on the legal books as maybe not a mechanical issue of the game, but as a binding law, if nothing less than the roleplay aspects of the game.

At least concede to me that much. At least allow it in the UN national laws and charter for the rest of our peace of collective minds.

* What seems to be a vein in The Rep of Komokom's fore-head becomes rather excited.

(Sound of spluttering)

"Right, ENODIA, ENODIA, WHERE THE DEVIL ARE YOU. Word of power my bee-hind, educate this person here to why, to why... Grrr."

- The Rep of Komokom.

Oh but to make things clear,

COMMON RULE : REPEAL OF ANY SORT OR REQUEST TO ALLOW THEM,

=

FRYING-PANNING, BEING SET ALIGHT, BEING STRUCK BY MODERATORS LINES OF DEADLY NATION KILLING CODE, AND MOST COMMONLY FINDING IT HARD TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE U.N. ... AGAIN.

Capeesh? :wink:

Terran Assemblage,

Do not be abashed by such a display. Pershaps such a resolution is forbidden in these halls; if so, then I am sure you will be informed in a gracious way by the powers that be. There have been other current proposals that have hedged on changing game mechanics; the fact that it was not struck down upon submission is hopeful.

That being said, if it is not anathema mod-wise to entertain such a notion (not to mention 'deserving' of a nooob frying pan for 'inconceivable' idiocy), then know that I have petitioned my regional delegate for his consideration in this matter, as he has considerable votes and is a just, intelligent and honest delegate.

Much kudos to your bravery in suggesting this proposal,

Lady Nessa,
Emissary for the Peoples of Yavanna
10000 Islands citizen.

Description: It is with understanding that regions, laws, and governmental politics are mercurial at best. That laws may change according to the needs of nations or court systems do to unforseen events and occurances. That this change may be instigated by either forces and actions within or without of national bounderies.
True, however there is also an understanding that UN resolutions are significantly more immutable than national ones.

At certain junctures of time, nations of one region may change leadership, laws, membership, and philosophy. With this change past executive decisions may be overturned, overlooked, or ammended to new ideals and laws which more closely reflect the newer government or entire regions.
Again, a nation is perfectly entitled to recant some, all or none of its previous doctrine at any time. The UN is not able to do so, however, by virtue (or by curse) of the way it is coded in this game.

A proposition to change, amend, or repeal a law must be arbitrary to all parties, or of two thirds commital votes within the UN member nations. Any law, including that of UN law that does not meet a 2/3rds majority vote may be appealed and revoted upon or ammended.
Frankly, I'd rather than propositions to change, amend or repeal laws not be arbitrary to anyone. Arbitrary repeals are at best a dangerous idea. Given, however, that 2/3 majorities are few and far between in a large body like the UN, this is quite the can of worms that you'd be opening up if it were permissable.

It can not be said that nothing be written in stone and that decisions made in haste, or without full disclosure of information to the public awareness, should be given the chance to be rectified. Knowing that we hold this truth to be universal, that errors can be made and correct, timely, solutions can be implemented to the contentment of all nations and regions.
I, on the other hand, hold this truth to be self-evident: That the rules of the game cannot be changed by majority vote of the players unless those in charge of the administration of the rules have such a mechanism. Of course, I say "self-evident" in the face of almost daily proof that it is clearly not self-evident to some elements of the playing population.

We put forward this Right To Appeal any UN law or resolution not meeting a 2/3rds majority vote. At any moment in future time, second thoughts or change in political climate may occur within the bounderies of any or all UN member nations. That every nation be allowed the chance to recast their vote on decisions whose bases are not wholly understood because of innacurate information, or decisions passed by the most narrowist of margins. We also concede that any law passed by a majority 2/3rds vote is popularly accepted by the majority of member nations and shall be exempt from this Right."
It's a shame that this is an illegal resolution, because it's actually quite well written.

I do accept that maybe I should put this in technical, and maybe they would bring it into the mechanics of NS2.
If only you had put it there, you'd still be at your desk in the General Assembly instead of winging your way back to your home country.

Apologies for the short-tempered nature of some elements of this post, and of some of the other posters on this thread, but the "repeal issue" comes up roughly once every 2-3 weeks and those of us who constantly re-hash the same arguments tend to get a little bit annoyed about doing so.

Sort tempered elements? Thats me, right? :wink:

We had a electric kettle with one of those. a short tempered element, it over-boiled the water, boom, it went off, the lid blew up into the air and boiling water shot right up the wall, it was, if not fire-works, hydro-works... But I'm going off on a tangent,

If I, me personally seem to be a little short tempered, its because repeals are mentioned every week and my arguments have been re-hashed so many times I should just donate them to charity and buy duct tape to hold down anyone who brings up repeals...

On another note, I think one of my posts got deleted, lol, maybe I do get a *little* agressive... ;)

- The Rep of Komokom.

Can this just be moved to Technical?

and thus another young nation tries to do the impossible.

<sigh>