NationStates Jolt Archive

Visiting a few regions in Nationstates, I've discovered a quit worrying region.
It's name is Gateville. It counts more than 440 nations, two weeks ago only 350. This region is more and more powerful.
The main motto is "death to the UN". They are planning to destroy the UN and all it's past work.
I urge every nations to beware of such a danger, what should we do?

What to do...hmm, lots of options.
1) You can fire your big old I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon and not worry about them ever again;
2) You can look at them with their 400-odd n00bs, look at the UN with its 40,000 members, many of whom have been around for ages and have populations in the billions, and conclude they're about as much threat as that gnat crawling across my monitor right now;
3) You can have a ponder about how the game works and come to the conclusion that the UN is coded into Nation States and can't be threatened or attacked in any way;
or
4) (the most satisfying option) You can borrow a large cast-iron frying-pan from the Representative for Komokom, who will be happy to lend you it for the purposes of whacking the eejits around the head if any of them show their face on these forums.

Does that reassure you?
Comrade Mercader
Delegate for Regrettable Violence

Danger? Where? I see no danger! Death to them!

I do see a danger, but one which requires an intellegent person to see or even think of. What if all 400 joined the U.N. hmm? And then what if all 400 worked to bring down each resolution as it comes to be voted on. 400 votes can do alot. They, even without cheating can bring down the U.N.

Please, think about this with seriuse consideration
Representative of Aelov

I'm a part of gatesville (though I've been looking for a new region, so send me a message), and even I don't think it's all that much of a danger.

I do see a danger, but one which requires an intellegent person to see or even think of. What if all 400 joined the U.N. hmm? And then what if all 400 worked to bring down each resolution as it comes to be voted on. 400 votes can do alot. They, even without cheating can bring down the U.N.

Please, think about this with seriuse consideration
Representative of Aelov

There's no danger. According to everything I read resolutions can't be overturned.

Q: What do you call 440 nations full of anti-UN crybabies?
A: Who cares?

Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Hmm... yes, because they can change game mechanics and DEAT the UN... :roll:

WHO BLOODY CARES :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The UN has an extraordinary amount of force to aim at any region that causes trouble.

However, the preferred method of the majority of UN Member Nations is to aim our extensive bank of I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons at the enemy, and fire at will.

As for the fact that there could be 400 of them voting... So what? IF (big if) they're all different people (meaning all 440 of them could join the UN), they could consistently bring proposals to Quorum. But first, these proposals would have to satisfy game rules... and then, they would need more than their measley 1/100th of the voting base to vote in favor of these proposals. Frankly, I would be very impressed if they were that coordinated.

I do see a danger, but one which requires an intellegent person to see or even think of. What if all 400 joined the U.N. hmm? And then what if all 400 worked to bring down each resolution as it comes to be voted on. 400 votes can do alot. They, even without cheating can bring down the U.N.

Please, think about this with seriuse consideration
Representative of Aelov

I am intelligent, and I see no danger, so place your foot back in your mouth, and chew. No offence, but really...

1) 400 nations means the maximum force they can deploy in votes, equals 800. Why? If, *if* they all made one delegate, that delegate would have 400 votes. And they would all have 1 vote each, naturally this is all provided they make one delegate, from all members making this one person delegate, there are no struggles for power, no in-fighting, and they all, all, vote the same way.

Why am I concerned again, huh? 800 votes, *max* is a large number, but the sheer logistics and possibility of not all votes swinging one way negates this "worry".

2) "Without cheating" ? ? ? Pray-tell how THAT could be done, what multiple nations in the U.N. ? Enjoy deletion.

- The Rep of Komokom.

I sent a puppet there a while back - they're a laughable bunch of tinpot dictators. No worries.

A fitting tribute to the arrogance of the One-Worlders. It is a shame that those that know better, joined in this belittleling and mocking of others... they are entrusted to serve.

The ever-amusing nation of Laio's latest missive made us laugh harder than ever. Why is the UN "entrusted to serve" a bunch of ignorant n00bs with the stated intention of destroying us?

And given that this region has set out to destroy something which cannot be destroyed, don't they deserve just a *little* mockery?

I sent a puppet there a while back - they're a laughable bunch of tinpot dictators. No worries.
I reside in Gatesville but I hardly consider myself a dictator.

Is not this group representitive of a larger problem at hand, i.e. that the U.N. is getting VERY far away from many nations? After all, perhaps we could show them the benefits of turning from the ways of tyranny if we weren't such pompus elitists who actually delegate persons who have been long-standing as more important than new members? Have you considered, that, perhaps, this is but a rally against what is wrong with the U.N. and not the U.N. itself? After all, we have set up so many resolutions which proscribe the actions of these fringe states. Perhaps they feel as though they have no possiblitiy of finding representation or even voice within the United Nations?

Gatesville seems to me to be mostly full of warmongering children. I scorn their attitudes rather than their politics. I wish I still had the telegrams we exchanged while I was there.

Granted, there are problems with the UN.However, this is how it is set up in the game itself. It's really very simple: if you want the UN to adopt different resolutions, then propose them. You want them to pass, then rally your support, encourage people to get involved and participate fully instead of wandering into the forum and threatenting the UN with imminent destruction.

"Perhaps they feel as though they have no possiblitiy of finding representation or even voice within the United Nations"

You provide your own voice, no one here is elected to represent others except the delegates. If the delegate that serves your region is not representing your interests then campaign to get a new one elected.

The UN is what you make of it.

Bloody server...

I am intelligent

That's debatable.

*covers head in preparation of frying pans*

I really do object to the ease with which dictators are pushed aside as stupid. That we (I obviously speak only for myself) prefer a defferent style of government does not mean we are wrong and you are right. It just means we disagree.

Now in my country, when somebody disagrees with my politics, we listen to them. We carefully weigh their interests and listen to their oppinions so our gevernment can form its own balanced decicion. I know of enough counties that are democratic that dont work that way. Where governments make decissions based on their own accord, doing it the way that suits them best, without looking out for the intrest of the people. This doe not mean we are childich suckers or assholes.

That you for your time.

The Holy Empire of Gethamane is currently considered a dictatorship, and we can empathize with other dictatorships which feel persecuted (even unintentionally) in the UN.

However, what did you expect? I find it difficult to deny the irony of a dictatorship being part of a democratic organization... On the other hand...

Terms like "Human Rights" are thrown around carelessly in these forums, and I am equally guilty of that as anyone else, despite my nations UN Category. Gethamane treads a fine line between what we can support, and what would threaten the fabric of our government. While we are compliant with the UN, and don't intend to leave the UN for anything short of a drastic change, certain previous resolutions work against our government.

But I ramble; the point is that, even though the comments are rarely directed at Gethamane or benevolent dictatorships such as PaoGenua, there remains a sense of persecution of dictators within the UN. If the UN is supposed to honor the government choice of all nations, then I believe we should all (including us dictatorships) make a concerted effort to not judge a nation's government too harshly, especially if they manage to comply with all UN Resolutions.

I do see a danger, but one which requires an intellegent person to see or even think of. What if all 400 joined the U.N. hmm? And then what if all 400 worked to bring down each resolution as it comes to be voted on. 400 votes can do alot. They, even without cheating can bring down the U.N.

Please, think about this with seriuse consideration
Representative of Aelov

True, but I wouldn't worry about them. If their purpose is to ruin the UN, the moderators will do something about it. If they're ultra-conservative and want to influence the UN with their opinion, well, they're just amazingly co-ordinated.

A fitting tribute to the arrogance of the One-Worlders. It is a shame that those that know better, joined in this belittleling and mocking of others... they are entrusted to serve.

Laio, I have a question or two.

1) Laio, please point out quite clearly who you name as the "One Worlders", quite frankly, do you consider me to be one of these?

2) I'd rather to fly with mockery then fall to insanity. After all, laughter is said to be the best medicine. I hope, other-wise, well... (Cuckoo-Cuckoo!)

3) Entrusted to serve who, a few mad tin-pot dictators such as yonder wacko region. Or the mysterious "One Worlders" you seem to talk of every week at least once... :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

I am intelligent

That's debatable.

*covers head in preparation of frying pans*

(Haughty Voice)

Ahem, I hope, fellow representative, you spoke in complete jest.

(Back to normal)

And yes, such... base wording can result in the pure kinetic affection of a frying-pan decking-fest. So don't make me come over there. :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

I do see a danger, but one which requires an intellegent person to see or even think of. What if all 400 joined the U.N. hmm? And then what if all 400 worked to bring down each resolution as it comes to be voted on. 400 votes can do alot. They, even without cheating can bring down the U.N.

Please, think about this with seriuse consideration
Representative of Aelov

True, but I wouldn't worry about them. If their purpose is to ruin the UN, the moderators will do something about it. If they're ultra-conservative and want to influence the UN with their opinion, well, they're just amazingly co-ordinated.
The bottom line is that - in all bar the closest of votes - resolutions pass by several thousand votes (and even the closest passed resolutions pass by more than the force that these 400 nations could bring to bear). They would be an inconvenience if they all joined the UN, endorsed one of their number as delegate and proceeded to vote against everything, yes. However, the inconvenience would be limited to making resolutions pass by smaller margins and every now and then causing a contentious resolution to fail. I think we'd all be able to deal with either eventuality with a minimum of tatrums.

I am intelligent

That's debatable.

*covers head in preparation of frying pans*

(Haughty Voice)

Ahem, I hope, fellow representative, you spoke in complete jest.

(Back to normal)

And yes, such... base wording can result in the pure kinetic affection of a frying-pan decking-fest. So don't make me come over there. :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

Yes it was in jest my esteemed colleague. I'm glad you were able to take it as so.

Hearty salutations from Gatesville, fellow UN members.

I have only just finished sifting through the posts that have been written here; and although I am honored that our region has been hand-picked and singled-out for this assessment, the sheer amount of negativity towards my region shocks me. We have not started any wars. We have not attacked anyone personally for their point of view. We simply state ours in the regional factbook entry and trouble seems to come to us. Why?

Gatesville has no plans nor will ever have any plans to cheat in order to reach our goals. On the contrary, we want nothing more than to follow the rules laid down by the creator of this realm, and we honor the moderators who police it. But those rules say nothing about how you run your nation or region, nor what the politics of the UN are supposed to be. It's completely open-ended, as it should be, and our region simply does not support the way the UN is being run at this time. We wish to push it to being more conservative. Is that wrong?

Sure, the statement in our factbook entry is a shocker, but only if you take it in a literal sense. You must remember that the factbook entry is meant to attract nations, and that is exactly what ours does. The actual approach we have is a figurative one. At the moment, the UN is extremely liberal; and as I said before, Gatesville wants it to be more conservative. We say "Death to the Liberal UN," not simply "Death to the UN" as was stated in this thread.

We do not attack people for their point of view. We avoid wars and do not initiate them. We are a defensive and conservative region. It does not matter if we have dictators among us, because not all dictators are evil. In fact, our region is governed in a very democratic fashion. Every nation within our borders has the right and priviledge to vote on the actions of the governing nations they elected to serve them.

Do not judge a book by its cover. Dog-eared pages and highlighting only prove it was useful. Thank you for your time.

~*Mikorya Daelimae Rikard*~
Regional Delegate of Gatesville
Spokeswoman for the High Council
Diplomat of Rose-Colored Glasses