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Description: ABOUT OPERATION MANDATORY PATRIOTIC TATTOO: As part of the our new broad, discretionary power to enact any and all initiatives which may or may not prove effective in our ongoing fight against terrorism, The UN SHALL unilaterally pass into law legislation requiring all citizens to obtain an exciting new breed of tattoo. Modeled on the ubiquitous Universal Product Code (UPC), the Subcutaneous Patriotic Intelligence Tattoo System (SPITS) acts as both a unique identifier and a satellite-trackable global positioning device, enabling the wearer to rest easy in the knowledge that s/he is quantifiable, qualifiable and locatable by the government at all times.
Everyone will have their choice of any of the three exciting SPITS executions, applied under sterile conditions by Federally appointed tattoo technicians .
All citizens will be afforded ample opportunity to affirm their patriotism by proudly submitting to this brief and only mildly excrutiating procedure. Any and all able-bodied persons who miss the mandatory tatooing deadline will be subject to fines up to $75,000 and/or terms of medium security imprisonment no shorter than 2 calendar years. The UN strongly urges any individuals who oppose this right-minded defense program to overcome said opposition, thereby assuring uneventful compliance and significantly reduced post-procedural trauma.
Action Plan: To have Skilled UN Authorized Tattoo Technicians establish kiosks at bankrupt K-Mart stores.
Local liberal media outlets across America WILL be ordered to assist with the coordination of tattooing the populace.
Citizens will see their local affiliate to determine when THEY MUST report to be emblazoned with the only proof of patriotism that is recognized by the United Nations.

OOC: lol :D
IC:

Hmm, this idea seems fine and dandy at the outset, perhaps more libertarian regimes would beg to differ, but then some other problems arise. Like many other UN resolutions, like the last Ballast Water one for example, the aim of this resolution has a much more universal and wide sweeping intent than it can actually accomplish.

Even as a non-UN member, Grand Hobgoblonia likes this idea at first because it would, in theory, reduce international crime. But then one has to consider the vast majority of nations that are not UN members, like Grand Hobgoblonia, that would still be able to "harbor terrorism" or what not and so forth without this amazing international tracking system being implemented in their nations as proposed for UN member nations.

Also, hobgoblins have fur. How would you get around this?

Assertively,
Prime Minister Baragh IV,
Loyal Servant to the One True Monarch
of the Holy Empire of Grand Hobgoblonia

Yes, I think that this is patriotic, but there are many problems with it. One of them is that it would cost lots, and I mean lots, of money to have everyone tatooed. The other problem I have with it is that not all religions allow for this "defacing of the house of the lord". Tatooing the people would go against the bill that gives everyone freedom of religion.

Yes, I think that this is patriotic, but there are many problems with it. One of them is that it would cost lots, and I mean lots, of money to have everyone tatooed.

1)Ah, but at what cost freedom. We do not feel that the cost is too high for the security it provides.
2) As far as non-UN nation, has there been a proposal to build a giant Box around each and every non-UN nation? If not, that would solves the isues of terrorists in those countries. Thats a whole other proposal though.
3) Religious concerns...there are always exceptions to freedom of religion when it becomes dangerous...if my religion allows murder, I still do not have that right. Failure to enact this is basically sanctioning terrorism, and through terrorism...murder.

There is no consideration of the possibility for individuals to blemish, destroy or completely obscure this tattoo and concordant location device with further body modifications. The citizens of Moogi are far to wiley to allow for succesful encactment of this proposition as it stands.

The people of Enodia can be trusted enough to go about their daily business without some kind of monitoring system used by the government, the United Nations or both in order to track them. If this were to be a temporary means of ensuring that criminals do not break bail or parole conditions, it would be a different story.

Additionally, the Enodian Diplomatic Service has been having lots of fun with the acronym. The alternative which so far has a bit of support is the Subcutaneous Hitleric Intelligence Tatoo System, with the acronym...well...the acronym rather speaks for itself.

1) Where the hell is this "America"

2) What the hell are "K-Marts", when did they become bankrupt and why are they mentioned here? Are that important? Must we all have these "K-Marts" now?

OOC I know what K-Marts are, a rubbish version of Target, I saw em in Florida. But this is isn't the US and thus K- Marts aren't necessarily a given. I oppose the proposal but I have to admit its a novel idea, and its been well written. I'm giving it a hard time because the fact is, a proposal has to play by the rules of the UN: this is a seperate reality to the 'real world' and certainly seperate to the US. I also think that Americentric thinking is potentially alienating to non Americans like myself. There will be people who genuinely will not understand some of your cultural references.

3) Funnily enough it tends to be nuts that call themselves "patriots" that try and overthrow our democratic government! We're certainly not going to encourage patriotism!

4)As chance would have it, the only terrorist problem we ever had were from "patriots"-- see section 3)

5) What the hell does this mean: "Federally appointed tattoo technicians". What federation is this?

6) All of a sudden, this dropped from the sky: "UN Authorized Tattoo Technicians" So do we have these as a result of this proposal, or was the UN hiding them from us? If its the former...how will that happen? Who will oversee it? A new agency?

7) Civil rights.

8 No, no no way, never and hell no.

Good proposal.

WLP Central Committee (Left Communist Faction)

The Rep of Komokom is seen to blink several times, and before his aides can hold him back, he is up and screaming,

ARGH, THERE IS ALREADY A DARN'D N.S. ISSUE WHICH DEALS WITH THIS AND GIVES THIS PROPOSAL AS AN OPTION, AMOUNG OTHERS, ARGH, ARGH, ARGH !

- The Rep of Komokom. About to brain the writer with a frying pan.

:twisted:

Flavius immediately woke up from his slumber upon hearing this proposal read out on the delegation floor.

"WHAT? YOU CAN'T DO THIS! IT'S A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION! PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE WATCHED! WE MUST RESPECT THEIR PRIVACY!"

Then he immediately went back to sleep.

See, we can make an example out of this. Lets say that Komokom went on this rage-induced binge rant in the middle of a public place. Anyone who was against such rage-induced binge rants could punch up his number and chase him all over God's green Earth harassing him and whatever else they felt like doing.

Since the people of Sophista have taken a liking to the daily "What Is Komokom Up To Today" column in the Santa Andrea Times, this would be bad. Dare I say, circulation would go down, hurting our economy?

[/bitter bitter sarcasm]

Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs

You have to excuse Flavius. He spends too much time at the Strangers' Bar getting drunk.

I have a news paper article dedicated to me?

:oops:

Awww, shucks !

:wink:

- The Rep of Komokom. Who's not afraid of this technology personally, he always carriers a frying-pan to deal with harrassers. :wink:

We should have a poll for patriotic emblems.

There is a highschool in Ohio whose colors are pink and white, and w.hose mascot is a bunny.

This was the result of submitting to a student plebiscite. We anticipate similar results in this inastance.

The urbanly primative yet largely unadulterated nation of Berklyvania is aghast and agog at this proposal. We see absolutely no reason to tattoo our citizens. Additionally, many of our citizens spend a large amount of their lives in a college situation. As studies have shown, participation in college may lead to body modification. Thus, to insist on a particular tattoo that all citizens must have would be to potentially interfere with their own body modification long term plan and this we simply can not allow.

However, should you wish to reword this and demand that all citizens must wear "a charming tennis bracelet with embedded tracking technology" or "a smart cameo pin for 'pin-pointing' a citizen's whereabouts" we might be willing to listen. Until then, our citizen's ink is their own.

Religious concerns...there are always exceptions to freedom of religion when it becomes dangerous...if my religion allows murder, I still do not have that right.

Of course you do.

Noone really has "negative rights", rights to make other people not do things, that's absurd. So you have the right to religious expression. If that includes murdering people, whatever. You still have that right. Noone can take it away from you, you can kill people all you want. To even attempt to claim otherwise is madness and easily disprovable by the simple expedient of stabbing people.

*the delegate from Hooglastahn waves a knife threateningly*

Regardless, the state also has rights, and the proverbial knife as well. While you have the right to stab people for any reason or even for no reason at all - so does the State. Most civilized nations agree to stab people who break their laws.

So express your religion. If it's important enough to you, you'll go ahead and do it regardless of the consequences, as is your right. But be warned, the state will feed you to the lions if that expression of your rights sufficiently offends it.

Don't make me come over there.

Religious concerns...there are always exceptions to freedom of religion when it becomes dangerous...if my religion allows murder, I still do not have that right.

Of course you do.

Noone really has "negative rights", rights to make other people not do things, that's absurd. So you have the right to religious expression. If that includes murdering people, whatever. You still have that right. Noone can take it away from you, you can kill people all you want. To even attempt to claim otherwise is madness and easily disprovable by the simple expedient of stabbing people.

*the delegate from Hooglastahn waves a knife threateningly*

Regardless, the state also has rights, and the proverbial knife as well. While you have the right to stab people for any reason or even for no reason at all - so does the State. Most civilized nations agree to stab people who break their laws.

So express your religion. If it's important enough to you, you'll go ahead and do it regardless of the consequences, as is your right. But be warned, the state will feed you to the lions if that expression of your rights sufficiently offends it.

Don't make me come over there.

Patriotic? What a bunch of trash! Why should I have my citizens be a bunch of fanatical zealots devoted to their country so that they have no individuality of their own?

You'll tatoo my citizens over my DEAD BODY!

Patriotic? What a bunch of trash! Why should I have my citizens be a bunch of fanatical zealots devoted to their country so that they have no individuality of their own?

You'll tatoo my citizens over my DEAD BODY!

Alas, you do not understand the dire consequences terrorism has forced upon. Rest assured, these tattoo's will not remove you individuality, but simply allow a benign and watchful government to be wary against evil terrorists. If you are not a criminal, you will have nothing to fear.

You'll tatoo my citizens over my DEAD BODY!
OOC:
What a great idea! My assasins will take care of it. Sorry, I've always wanted to respond to that phrase in thios manner.

Yes let us all brand our citizens like cattle. Who cares about their freedoms! :roll:

Our citizens have chosen as our top 3 patriotic symbols the kitten, the butterfly, and our national animal the uberkewt feather-bellied pig.

Under this resolution, we will all look fabulous!

The Citizen of Poltergeist WILL NOT be brannded like Cows. While we are a Dictaorship nation, we still respect each other personal rights. Also as a UN Delegate for the MustyWindows region, I assure you that all nation within the MustyWindow region will not let their citizen be submitted to this treatement. Why treat ordinary citizen as criminals and terrorist? If you really want to fight terrorist, do so by sharing Intelligence with other nation and Regions.

**Sits back down**

Funny, this issue came before our individual nationstate just a few days after this proposal got started. We decided to go ahead and go for it, the tattoos under the fur thing isn't such a big deal because the tattoos are small, and you only really need to look at them to verify the identity of someone who has been apprehended or some such.

Internationally, as for the UN, it wouldn't really do anything. Like a lot of UN resolutions, the fact that UN membership is voluntary makes this resolution non-universal, and non-effective.

Assertively,
Prime Minister Baragh IV,
Loyal Servant to the One True Monarch
of the Holy Empire of Grand Hobgoblonia

Branding people impedes on their civil rights. We wouldn't want to do a thing like that.

Branding people impedes on their civil rights. We wouldn't want to do a thing like that.

It does nothing of the sort. There is no such thing as a "right" to have someone else not brand you. The very idea is laughable.

The only way this could possibly intrude on people's rights is if there weren't any people who wanted to brand your citizens. And if that were the case, there wouldn't even have been a proposal to begin with.

As is, even though the word "mandatory" is in the title - the resolution doesn't actually reduce the choices of the citizenry, it increases them. The citizen can choose to get a tattoo that was not previously an option, or they can choose to not get a tattoo and get punished by the state. Heck, that hadn't been an option before either!

So you've created two new choices available to every citizen in your country. How exactly is this supposed to be intruding on people's rights?

Don't make me come over there.

If this resolution passes, I will not brand my citizen like cattles. If the option is to fight terrorist then we are doing this all wrong. We need to share inteliigence. Intelligences is what keep Terrorist at bay, not tattoos!!!

"Och, ye sleekit' wee baastart. Onything tae be like the Feigle, hey? We're nae bloo really, it's nae oor skin, it's oor tatoos. Look they're all o'er oor faces too, e'en oor foreheads, tak' a close look, nae laddie, come closer. Aye"

SMACK!!

"There noo laddie, d'ye unnerstaun the noo? Ah dee hope yer mutha kin sew..." :D

Alas, you do not understand the dire consequences terrorism has forced upon. Rest assured, these tattoo's will not remove you individuality, but simply allow a benign and watchful government to be wary against evil terrorists. If you are not a criminal, you will have nothing to fear.
If terrorism is a problem in your nation you deal with it.

Why drag the rest of the UN down the same road?

We do not have a problem with terrorism in The Black New World but we do have a problem with attempts to force people to be ‘patriotic’.

Not to mention denying my citizens the right to use their bodies as they wish*.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?
*anyone?