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--- UN Proposal: International Scientific Expo ---

REAFFIRMING the standardization of systems as laid out in UN Proposals “DVD Region Removal”, “Metric System”, and “UCPL”,

NOTING FURTHER that goals of Scientific Freedoms have been adopted by this august body,

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT the recognized need for the citizens of NationStates to protect their environment,

1. CALLS UPON constituent nations to select, in a manner befitting their form of government, a panel of representative scientists,

2. RECOMMENDS that said scientists come together at an International Scientific Exposition held annually,

3. DESIGNATES said Exposition to focus upon solving global environmental concerns,

4. FURTHER INVITES said scientists to share knowledge, compete, or boast about other scientific advances,

5. TRUSTING that many nations will want to sponsor said Exposition; no UN funding being expected nor required,

6. AUTHORIZES regional delegates to vote upon the region to host said Exposition, and representatives from winning region to vote/select specific hosting nation

7. FURTHER TRUSTING winning nation to provide sufficient accommodations, appropriate security, and utmost respect for selected scientists and accompanying supporters

8. SOLEMNLY AFFIRMS the founding of NationStates International Scientific Exposition.

Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

It’s good. I like it.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Black New World
Do you know what ‘gay science’ is?

Will scribes be strictly banned?

In what way will point 4 infringe on current patent laws, or will scientists only be asked to discuss information already in the public domain?

I don't see anything wrong with this. Gets my tick.

We are proud of the contributions of our zoologists and herbologists.
We will be pleased to send one of each.
Just as long as we do not have to pay the bill for this junket

Will scribes be strictly banned?

No. As nations will only share those scientific advances which have been approved by their respective governments.

In what way will point 4 infringe on current patent laws, or will scientists only be asked to discuss information already in the public domain?

Again, nations are not forced to share any information they do not wish to share. The Expo is completely voluntary as to who attends and what the scientists show off.


Heshloni Ambassador

I am all for this idea! :D The actual United Nations has an annual convention of representatives whose agenda is to discuss global environmental problems. We can take a step further to the control of global warming and deforestation by voting for this idea.

Sophista, likewise approves. Nothing quite like a giant nerd party to get the ideas flowing, and everyone could use a giant nerd party every now and then. Our President has offered to host the first instance of this expo, should the legislation pass.

Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs

The DSH agrees with Collaboration on this proposal.

Ecopoeia would happily participate in such an exposition.

The undersigned:

Sax 'Nerd' Russell
Speaker for Science

Ann 'Boffin' Clayborne
Speaker for the Environment

Nadia 'Geek' Cherneshevsky
Speaker for Industry & Infrastructure

That's enough nerds now. Ed.

Thank you all for your support, but I don't believe it will get enough votes to become a proposal this time around. Heshlon will be resubmitting it, and would encourage any suggestions for change that might garner more votes.

Heshloni Ambassador

Looks good to us. What category and strength?

My apologies for not including this information:

Catagory: Free Trade

Strength: Mild

Heshloni Ambassador

While it is dubious whether or not the Holy Empire of Gethamane would participate, we would be more than happy to lend our vote to enshrine this proposal as a Resolution. Our decision to not participate should not inhibit the ability of others to participate.

I too, doubt this will make it to be voted on, as it is something I actually agree with.

Which leads me to ask the question:

I have heard nothing but supportive comments (shocking, I know) thus far. For those nations that have not voted for this proposal, may I ask why and what is needed to gain your support?

Heshloni Ambassador

I'm concerned that the proposal is to be categorised under 'Free Trade'. I agree that the setting should be mild but wonder if there is perhaps a better category. Science by its nature should be independent of trade.

Kind regards
Sax Russell
Speaker for Science

Science and trade are a lot like the heart and the lungs. Yes, they're technically seperate entities with seperate functions, but only to a point. Its important to recognize that all science benefits trade, and a forum like this is designed specifically to encourage the exchange of ideas, most of which will inevitably be bought and sold.

Besides, a "free trade" classification will keep all those "it hurts my economy" bastards in their place.

Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Free Trade category was chosen because the hope the hope was that the Expo would create consumer traffic like modern day Olympic Games. Nations that participate (not to mention the host nation) would benefit not only from the exchange of ideas, but from an increase in monetary exchange due to new products and new markets. The strength was kept at mild due to the realization that the scientific community might not be as great of a consumer magnet as, say, athletic competitions.

Heshloni Ambassador

Our nation is proud of our tradition in the fields of IT and Wildlife, especially in our world-renowened scientist Dr Tom Garnell in the field of the Wolf, and the pioneer in the treatment of the previously fatal Wolfs Bane virus.
We shall be sending a party of 12 scientists, including Dr Garnell, as long as their security can be gaurrented by the UN Council...

Then I'm afraid we Ecopoeians may have a problem with the proposal. We do not trade in scientific knowledge; once we have the knowledge we look to share with other nations, with no anticipation of economic remuneration. This is why we opposed the UCPL resolution that was regrettably passed a couple of months ago.

I would hope that the establishment of an annual science exposition would be geared towards the sharing of knowledge and facilitating of new scientific development, irrespective of economic concerns.

Science is too often corrupted in the name of corporate endeavour. One only need to look at the prevalent trend in some nations of corporate sponsorship of university seats and subsequent suppression of unfavourable research.

Having said all that, we appreciate that this is not necessarily directly relevant to the proposal. Our concerns arise more from our position on the ethics of scientific research. Provided the proposal includes a provision guaranteeing that corporate interests will not be allowed to hijack the nascent expositions, we will drop our objection and offer our unqualified support.

The sharing and catalysing of scientific research is undoubtedly beneficial to all nations concerned. We simply fear its subversion if due care is not taken.

Best wishes
Sax Russell
Speaker for Science

We of Heshlon appreciate your concern for the freedom of science from corporate influence. However, our purpose for proposing a scientific expo, is not to get corporations involved in scientific reasearch - the free trade catagory could be considered a by-product of the increase of travel and information sharing that would occur.

We would be extremely hesitant to include any clause limiting the economic influences to science. Not only is that the pervue of individual nations to run their scientific endeavors as they choose, but we feel that such a clause would set a dangerous precedent of the UN attempting to control scientific advances.

Heshloni Ambassador

Moogi's citizens have recently come up with several innovative types of vacuum and water cooled bongs and they would be happy to share kind with the world community.

Which actually brings up a good point that I would like to address before someone raises the complaint.

Just because a nation shares scientific advances at the expo does not require that other attending nations make it available to their citizens. Each nation retains it's sovereignty in determining what knowledge it is to bring back and share with it's citizens. Just as there is no coersion in sharing information, there is none in forcing it upon attending nations.

Heshloni Ambassador

We are encouraged by the responses from Heshlon. While we still remain somewhat wary of the possibility of corporate exploitation, we feel it would be churlish to allow this concern to stand in the way of supporting a laudable bid to stimulate scientific advancement.

We hereby retract our objection and offer our hope that this proposal is passed.

Best wishes
Sax Russell
Speaker for Science

says who

-mysterious music-

TAJ

cloaked in fantasy

we believe since the passing of the proposal UCPL- Universal Copyright/Patent Law implemented Mon Jan 26 2004, there is no fear over sharing scientific knowledge.

we feel this is a proposal that should be supported, and will gladly do so.

--- UN Proposal: International Scientific Expo ---


I like this proposal. It has international standing and promotes international cooperation. You can count my nation's voice among those that will lobby for its passage.

10kMichael

[Note passed around hall to Mogi's representative, who is looking red-eyed but happy]
"From the Wulf_Angel Social Society:
Requesting the deliveryof 1000 of your finest vacuum bongs in return for money to research better 'herbal remedies' for the bong's usage"

Do i understand correctly that this resolutions sais something about an allready set up Science Exhibition?

Do i understand correctly that this resolutions sais something about an allready set up Science Exhibition?

The only things I can see that might be interpreted as such are:

NOTING FURTHER that goals of Scientific Freedoms have been adopted by this august body,

Which just states that there had been a resolution already passed confirming scientific freedoms to member states,

and

8. SOLEMNLY AFFIRMS the founding of NationStates International Scientific Exposition.

Which just a formal way of stating that the International Scientific Expoosition would be officially founded upon passage of the resolution. I hope that clears things up a bit.

Heshloni Ambassador

"we believe since the passing of the proposal UCPL- Universal Copyright/Patent Law implemented Mon Jan 26 2004, there is no fear over sharing scientific knowledge."

It is precisely because of that abominable legislation that our fears are not fully allayed. Ah, well. We're still in support of this resolution.
Sax Russell
Speaker for Science

My fellow representatives,

While we have (as of this writing) doubled the number of votes since the first proposal, we are still far from recieving enough for this to become a resolution. There is still some time left, however, and there is still some hope. My concern at this point is that this proposal will suffer, not from opposition, but from being ignored - I'm not sure which is worse :?

If that becomes the case, there is talk amid the Heshloni parliament to adapt this to become a national issue. We would love to see this become a resolution just so we can see the debate, but we are making alternative plans just in case.

Heshloni Ambassador

As you may discern from our national name, we endorse efforts which promote cooperative work.

Thanks to all delegates who have shown support thus far for this proposal. Since support is growing (60+), this proposal will be resubmitted soon after it expires.

We encourage all delegates who have voted in support to do so again, and thank you for your diligence and patience.

Heshloni Ambassador

If I understand the current language of the proposal correctly, does taking care of and paying for all acommodations occur with the hosting country? Should not other countries pay for these amenities? Perhaps I am missing something particular, but am I also to understand that the country that is hosting is liabal to protect said scientists? I can understand that, but the Arcon Imperium would greatly like to see a provision allowing for countries who send these scientist also be allowed to send their own contingent of guards. This will allow not only my people, but myself as well that our scientific greats may be protected apropriately.

This might have all ready been asked and I may not of seen it but what about nations such as I that are based on future tech? What if one of us were to wanting to join?

If I understand the current language of the proposal correctly, does taking care of and paying for all acommodations occur with the hosting country? Should not other countries pay for these amenities? Perhaps I am missing something particular, but am I also to understand that the country that is hosting is liabal to protect said scientists?

Ah yes. Thank you. The wording was indeed misleading. Would this, then, be more appropriate:

7A. FURTHER TRUSTING winning nation to provide sufficient accommodations, appropriate security, and utmost respect for selected scientists and accompanying supporters

7B. NOTING that while amenities stated in clause 7A are provided by winning nation, they are to be paid for by attending nations as befitting their social and/or economic comfort level

the Arcon Imperium would greatly like to see a provision allowing for countries who send these scientist also be allowed to send their own contingent of guards. This will allow not only my people, but myself as well that our scientific greats may be protected apropriately.

This is a little more sensitive of an issue. Letting armed guards cross national borders might be seen as a hostile act by some - irregardless of actual intent. If there was a limit placed on security forces from attending nations, there must be a defining statement about what is acceptable and necessary. Our initial reaction was to let the hosting nation take care of security concerns, but the more paranoid factions in our parliament voiced concern about a host-nation "action" against the elite of the worldwide scientific community -- we are appalled at such a thought, but it should be addressed.

We would like to hear more on this from other nations on this issue.

Heshloni Ambassador

This might have all ready been asked and I may not of seen it but what about nations such as I that are based on future tech? What if one of us were to wanting to join?

All would be welcomed as sharing of knowledge and applied technologies are not forced upon attending nations. Representatives from individual states have the freedom to be selective on what is shared and what is taken home...

However...a related thought has just occurred. Such freedom of selection implies that only official governmental representatives are to be in attendance, so that the control of information rests with the leaders of attending nations. While we do not discourage the appearance of private indivuals or businesses, we understand if a nation wishes to forbid private citizens from that nation to attend. Is a separate clause necessary to cover this situation?

Heshloni Ambassador

I like how the rewording of how the scientist accomodations can be taken care of, and appreciate your understanding of the the concern. I also appreciate your concern of allowing guards to accomany scientist to other nations. Perhaps then a provision allwing visiting nations to arrange for local security from credibal sources or at least review the security being obtained and file grievances that do not have to be responded to if they do not appreciate the current security being privded. We are open to comprimise, but feel that the issue of securing scientists be at least covered in a little more depth. Understand that we do like the proposal as it has now been written, but feel that losing a scientist due to bad planning may set back our local advancement. While we have confidence that our fellow nations would see adequately to the security of all scientists, we would feel more secure in sending representatives if we were able to review and critique those security measures being taken.

Thank you again for addressing our concerns.

Just a *BUMP* on the road to being a UN resolution...

*BUMP* on the road to being a UN proposal...

Bump again...

113 votes! The Heshloni Peoples thank you all again for your support. We will again resubmit this proposal as approval continues to grow. We appologize for the lack of communication of late - our communications infrastructure is currently undergoing updating (OOC - old computer is pretty trashed, getting a new one, huzzah!)

Heshloni Ambassador

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Perhaps then a provision allwing visiting nations to arrange for local security from credibal sources or at least review the security being obtained and file grievances that do not have to be responded to if they do not appreciate the current security being privded. We are open to comprimise, but feel that the issue of securing scientists be at least covered in a little more depth.

Clause 7 will be rewritten as such:

7.1. FURTHER TRUSTING winning nation to provide sufficient accommodations, appropriate security, and utmost respect for selected scientists and accompanying supporters

7.2. NOTING that while winning nation provides amenities stated in clause 7.1, they are to be paid for by attending nations as befitting their social and/or economic comfort level

7.3. FURTHER AUTHORIZES the organizing of a council of security inspectors, consisting of regional delegates or appointed proxies, to study and evaluate the security precautions set up by the winning nation

7.4. FURTHER NOTING that said security council authorized in clause 7.3 is jointly responsible, along with winning nation, for the actions and conduct of the winning nation in relation to the safety of the scientists and public attending the Exposition

We hope this will allay concerns about the security of the Expo while giving attending nations a forum (namely their Regional Delegate or proxy) to whom grievances may be filed.

Heshloni Ambassador

We now support this proposal in full, and have already registered our approval with the UN. We wish the best of luck getting this through to vote, and hope to see a vote on it as soon as possible. Thank you for addressing our concerns as well as you have, may we continue to work together well through the mysterious art of comprimise. Good day, sir.

We now support this proposal in full, and have already registered our approval with the UN. We wish the best of luck getting this through to vote, and hope to see a vote on it as soon as possible. Thank you for addressing our concerns as well as you have, may we continue to work together well through the mysterious art of comprimise. Good day, sir.

We now support this proposal in full, and have already registered our approval with the UN. We wish the best of luck getting this through to vote, and hope to see a vote on it as soon as possible. Thank you for addressing our concerns as well as you have, may we continue to work together well through the mysterious art of comprimise. Good day, sir.

*bump*

We thank all nations who have supported this proposal and encourage those who have done so in the past to vote again.

Heshloni Ambassador

Maybe next time you can solicit some help in promoting this proposal by telegram to delegates.

I volunteer

Maybe next time you can solicit some help in promoting this proposal by telegram to delegates.

After reading about the reaction some delegate have towards telegrams trying to rally support for proposal, we have been hesitant to do so. Besides, progress was being made nicely and we saw no need to bother the already overstressed delegates.

And for the benefit of all, here is the rewritten proposal:


International Scientific Expo

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.
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Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Heshlon

Description: REAFFIRMING the standardization of systems as laid out in UN Proposals “DVD Region Removal”, “Metric System”, and “UCPL”,

NOTING FURTHER that goals of Scientific Freedoms have been adopted by this august body,

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT the recognized need for the citizens of NationStates to protect their environment,

1. CALLS UPON constituent nations to select, in a manner befitting their form of government, a panel of representative scientists,

2. RECOMMENDS that said scientists come together at an International Scientific Exposition held annually,

3. DESIGNATES said Exposition to focus upon solving global environmental concerns,

4. FURTHER INVITES said scientists to share knowledge, compete, or boast about other scientific advances,

5. TRUSTING that many nations will want to sponsor said Exposition; no UN funding being expected nor required,

6. AUTHORIZES regional delegates to vote upon the region to host said Exposition, and representatives from winning region to vote/select specific hosting nation

7. FURTHER TRUSTING winning nation to provide sufficient accommodations, appropriate security, and utmost respect for selected scientists and accompanying supporters

7.1. NOTING that while winning nation provides amenities stated in clause 7, they are to be paid for by attending nations as befitting their social and/or economic comfort level

7.2. FURTHER AUTHORIZES the organizing of a council of security inspectors, consisting of regional delegates or appointed proxies, to study and evaluate the security precautions set up by the winning nation

7.3. FURTHER NOTING that said security council authorized in clause 7.2 is jointly responsible, along with winning nation, for the actions and conduct of the winning nation in relation to the safety of the scientists and public attending the Exposition

8. SOLEMNLY AFFIRMS the founding of NationStates International Scientific Exposition.


Heshloni Ambassador