NationStates Jolt Archive

The first warning I recieved was a simple mistake, I wasn't paying attention. Now, I have been given my second and final warning about posting UN proposals in the proper category. So my question then, since there was no suggestion given, simply a stern warning, under what category would you list a proposal for Goodwill Games???

Furtherment of Democracy

that woudl be my choice.

I put that down, apparently, thats wrong. So, since it doesn't seem to fit in ANY category, how is it wrong to put it in the most likely one?

How does a bunch of people running, jumping and throwing javelins further democracy? It doesn't.

So, since it doesn't seem to fit in ANY category, how is it wrong to put it in the most likely one?
If it doesn't seem to fit in any category, then don't go with the "most likely one". Don't go with any one.

How does a bunch of people running, jumping and throwing javelins further democracy? It doesn't.


OOC: I beg to differ. The modern olympics were in part designed to promote atheletics, but embraced as a means to spread international goodwill (i.e. reducing tensions between nations).

Taken from an Australian Govt Page:
http://www.ausport.gov.au/info/factsheets/mod.html

The revival of the Modern Olympics was the brain child of the Frenchman, Baron Pierre de Coubertin. He believed that international competitions between amateur athletes would help promote friendly relationships between people from different countries. Despite strong opposition in 1894 de Coubertin assembled 79 delegates from 12 countries to attend the international congress for the re-establishment of the Olympic Games. It was decided to hold the first modern Olympics in Athens in two years time.

The idea that a representative would propose international games is not only a good one, it mirrors history.

I urge you to reconsider the forum's decision, provided everything else is on the up and up.

10kMichael

Furtherment of Democracy
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but "democratic freedoms" to me says more about voting and an absence of dictatorship than it does about the benefits or lack thereof of a sporting event. Especially given that one of the events in the proposed Games was "Shop-A-Thon-ing" or something like that.

Furtherment of Democracy
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but "democratic freedoms" to me says more about voting and an absence of dictatorship than it does about the benefits or lack thereof of a sporting event. Especially given that one of the events in the proposed Games was "Shop-A-Thon-ing" or something like that.

That would indicate / justify the complaints of dictatorships that the UN is biased against them. Is there a category for the Furtherment of Theoracies or other style of governments?

I'm not trying to pass judgement on the quality of the proposal. I do not doubt that it was very far removed from being modeled after the Modern Olympics. But would a better category then be "Political Stability"? The basic thought is that international games serve as a meeting place not for world leaders, but rather for influential citizens, who in turn after leaving the games can work within their countries to reduce tensions.

It is more along the lines of a Cultural Exchange, but there really isn't a category for that either. But in its purist form, the games would be focus on the competitors and would be blind to nationalities, yet the administration of the games would be such as to remove the barriers of nationalities that might prevent people from competing.

10kMichael

I just don't see the logic that says that this proposal fits anywhere. Actually, change that. I can understand the arguments being put forward as to this being a Furtherment of Democracy proposal (which, as far as I'm concerned, you've nailed quite nicely by saying that as a proposal category it's biased against Dictatorships - if a proposal of that type passes, it becomes harder to be a dictatorship in the UN), but I don't subscribe to them.

In purely mechanistic sense, the statistics that a Furtherment of Democracy proposal alters resemble those which would be altered if a nation improved electoral transparency much more than they resemble the statistics that would be altered if a group of nations got their best and brightest athletic hopes together for a sporting competition or two.

If it doesn't seem to fit in any category, then don't go with the "most likely one". Don't go with any one.

Does that mean that proposals don't have to have a category? Presumably this would mean that they don't have any game-mechanic effect if passed...

If it doesn't seem to fit in any category, then don't go with the "most likely one". Don't go with any one.

Does that mean that proposals don't have to have a category? Presumably this would mean that they don't have any game-mechanic effect if passed...
Sorry, sloppy typing.

What I meant was "if it doesn't seem to fit anywhere, then don't go with the 'most likely category', don't post it at all".

Obviously a proposal needs to have a category, so if anyone out there is thinking "Oh, I could probably wedge my awesome proposal into something...just", then my recommendation is that you at least ask me before you try or that you just don't try in the first place. It's a holdover from the days of rampant game mechanics proposals being submitted as "Furtherment of Democracy" jobs.

In purely mechanistic sense, the statistics that a Furtherment of Democracy proposal alters resemble those which would be altered if a nation improved electoral transparency much more than they resemble the statistics that would be altered if a group of nations got their best and brightest athletic hopes together for a sporting competition or two.

Well, what sort of category is being batted around for the Diplomatic Immunity proposal? An international games (well conceived or not) would ease tensions, at almost no cost ... they seem similar in scope and to have standing in the UN. In theory at least.

As for asking you first, that is always a good idea.

I guess my interest is primarily academic, but at the same time, an olympic styled games would be an interesting debate to have. No on second thought, it would get tense with tons of "This is STUPID" debates being used against it, but then again those come out of everything. ;)

10kMichael

There is no room in Nation States for any proposals that no current category is available for? So issues that parallel those in the United Nations may have no place in NationStates United Nations? So whats the point of joining it then?

It sounds a bit harsh, but the bottom line is that the categories are there for a reason - and proposals which don't seem to fit into them will run the risk of being deleted.

Then why not mention that somewhere on the List Proposal page that if it doesn't fit a category, it can't be submitted? Wouldn't that save a lot more trouble than letting people do it, and then giving stern warnings?

Maybe it would, and in fact I'll get onto someone about adding it. Although, to a degree the thing which says "Don't submit proposals where category and description don't match" is saying the same thing. Still, valid point and I'll run it past those who can actually change things.