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Quit UN. UN bad. I think that everyone should quit the UN and express thier political ideals through the forum instead. My reason: because the UN is corrupt. Has anyone else noticed that every UN proposal that has made it passed the proposal stage has been passed? Many of these screw up peoples nations. That is why I quit the UN a long time ago, and wish to enlighten everyone else. Quit UN. UN bad.

If this post is typical of those not in the UN... I think that Laio will stay in it. Has no one (there is no such word as "noone") ever heard of a spell-checker or a grammar-checker.

Miaow....

Not a meow... more like a screech.

I just created the simple, grammatically incorrect topic name, so it will catch people's eye and they will go to this topic. The UN is bad. I believe thus far, my poll results show this.

The number of UN resolutions that pass in definately a problem. It is also a problem I am working to change by lobbying and debating here in the forum when bad resolutions come up for vote.

You are a wise nation, chicken traders.

The problem that I find even more compelling is that legislation cannot be reversed.

You are mistaken, I have been in the UN longer than a few weeks, unlike some people, and I have seen multiple issues shot down. Any nation here over 1 billion will back up my claim.

You are mistaken, I have been in the UN longer than a few weeks, unlike some people, and I have seen multiple issues shot down. Any nation here over 1 billion will back up my claim.

If this post is typical of those not in the UN... I think that Laio will stay in it. Has no one (there is no such word as "noone") ever heard of a spell-checker or a grammar-checker.

I think Peter Noone ("Herman" of "Herman's Hermits") would disagree :wink: ...

Yes.....you are the minority, so i suppose it is corrupt isnt it! PSH! *Sarcasm abound*.....also, how in the heck do you plan on fixing the problem you despise if you leave the UN?!

You are mistaken, I have been in the UN longer than a few weeks, unlike some people, and I have seen multiple issues shot down. Any nation here over 1 billion will back up my claim.

You are wrong. Just look at the previous UN resolutions voted upon, unless that only shows the ones passed. Please inform me if I am mistaken.

You are wrong. Just look at the previous UN resolutions voted upon, unless that only shows the ones passed. Please inform me if I am mistaken.

You *are* mistaken. It only shows the ones that have passed. Thank you, drive through.

Quit UN. UN bad.

No.

I think that everyone should quit the UN and express thier political ideals through the forum instead.

Thats very nice dear, but I fail to see whow that would get anything done, which is kind of why we have a U.N. in the first place.

My reason: because the UN is corrupt.

I know the next bit is supposed to be evidence to that effect, but, no, I don't think it is. As my next rebuttles point out...

Has anyone else noticed that every UN proposal that has made it passed the proposal stage has been passed?

PING ! Most certainly incorrect.

Many of these screw up peoples nations.

Thats a nice, fluffy, subjective to perspective argument you have there, hold it still, I'm taking aim with my frying-pan... In reality, I doubt I need to say more when clearly all one needs to say is, and in the nicest words possible, "Read the rules and shut your mouth cry baby.".

That is why I quit the UN a long time ago, and wish to enlighten everyone else.

Enlightening your mindless drivel is not.

Quit UN. UN bad.

The answer is still no.

- The Rep of Komokom.

LMAO! That was absolutely hillarius....and correct!

Man, that was harsh. You shut me up. :cry:

Allow me to speak frankly on the behalf of the Holy Empire of Gethamane.

We are not in the UN to "express" our political ideals, per se... We are a UN Member-State in order to inflict our political ideals on the rest of the world... or at least as large of a part of the world as we can. We believe that our method of rule is, bar none, the best. Why else would we be using it?

However, it should be obvious, even in my brief tenure as Representative of Gethamane, that this desire doesn't impede my ability, or the ability of the nation I represent, to work with and get along with other nations. Especially when said nations are reasonable... Or are Komokom. ** Grins and winks at Rep. of Komokom to show he's kidding **

Now, I will sit back and wait for this to bite me somewhere uncomfortable.

Man, that was harsh. You shut me up. :cry:

My apologies for making you use the crying emoticon, my intent was not exactly so... "ball busting" however I feel I must say that in the past there have been quite a few occasions when people come in here and start going of at the U.N. for not bending to their every wish. So I kinda went onto automtic a tad there...

My apologies again if I crossed the line and stopped using my amazing powers for good for a moment... :wink:

And might I also add I did mean the "shut your mouth cry baby coment" in the nicest way possible, no harsh tone meant, it ewas meant to be more symbolistic of wider arguments about the U.N. which will either be covered by other here later or in other threads already.

And to the good Gethamane,

* Playful lunge with frying-pan in mock anger !

:wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

No need to apologize, my good man.

The main problem is that those who wish to reform and/or move the UN in a new direction... are not members. By not being a member... you make it easier for the One-Worlders to dominate it. Join and fight back, encourage others to join and end the tyranny of those who seek to enslave our fair world.

But if non members do join, then before they could ever make a significant change, if that is possible, then they would have already been subject to many of the resolutions.

The resolutions are not a boogey-man... they have had little impact of Laio. Issues have more to do with influencing your nation than do the resolutions.

** Rep. Gethamane sees Rep. of Komokom from the corner of his eye and points at him ** Back to your desk, teflon boy, or I'll put the leashes on you! :D

** Makes a poor attempt at keeping a straight face **

Speaking of which, is there any UN Resolution regarding keeping other UN Representatives as pets...?

** Clears his throat and shoots a grin at Rep. Komokom **

Sorry, I'll be staying in the UN. Do you have any idea what would happen if any of the six feeder delegates dropped from the UN?

Sorry, I'll be staying in the UN. Do you have any idea what would happen if any of the six feeder delegates dropped from the UN?

No, please, enlighten me with your words of wisdom.

Okay, I'll play along.

I'm fairly new here. I'm a new member to the UN.

I saw a Space thing pass, but how does that affect me? If I don't agree, how do I buck the system? How do i say no? And if I say no, how does the UN "punish" me? I have seen nothing to attempt to force me into compliance.

Now there's some goofy thing about cargo ships ballast water? WTF is that about? It seems it's going to pass overwhelmingly, but how does that affect me if I decide to blow it off? Are there issues that address these UN thingies?

Just how do I, if I decide to do so, defy the UN resoultions? The FAQ says I can't, but I see no evidence of resolution enforcement. So apparently I can by virtue of the UN doing nothing but taking up space?

So what does a UN resolution actually do to affect the "game"?

Well, as I understand it, based on each resolution's "category" and "strength," your nation stats (Civil Liberties, Political Freedoms, and Economy) are changed. You cannot change that. It happens.

If you make a national decision which is against a resolution (mind you, only against those passed -since- you joined the UN), a "sweep" will find you, and our mod will warn you. If you keep it up, you'll be ejected from the UN and back into International Obscurity.

Sometimes there are issues which address the UN Resolutions... sometimes, not.
As I'm rather new myself, I'm not sure exactly how it works... and I may be proven wrong in what I've already said. ;)

Okay, I'll play along.

I'm fairly new here. I'm a new member to the UN.

I saw a Space thing pass, but how does that affect me?
From memory, the "space thing" was an International Security resolution. If not, let's just assume it was for now.
Basically, this means that your nation's police/military budget is automatically higher than it was before. You don't have a right of refusal or anything like that.

If I don't agree, how do I buck the system?
Short answer, you can't (followed by a malevolent laugh). Long answer, feel free to post on the RP forums (NationStates and International Incidents) that your country is violating a particular section - or all of - the resolution. This is particularly good if you want to RP a diplomatic or military standoff.
In pure game mechanics terms, that train has already sailed. The resolution's had its wicked way with your nation and there's nothing you can do about it.

How do i say no?
To a previous resolution? No can do. To a resolution being voted on? Vote against it and campaign against it like you've never campaigned before. Given the current stance of the UN, you're going to need something like Howard Dean's pre-Iowa momentum to get something voted down, but it can and does happen.

And if I say no, how does the UN "punish" me? I have seen nothing to attempt to force me into compliance.
Well that's where you're wrong. The UN Compliance Ministry automatically "compliances" your nation after a resolution passes. The UN itself is inanimate - so you won't get sanctioned by the whole body if you refuse to implement a particular resolution. You might, however, get sanctioned by some of the more left-leaning nations if you refuse to implement something like a gay marriage proposal.

Now there's some goofy thing about cargo ships ballast water? WTF is that about? It seems it's going to pass overwhelmingly, but how does that affect me if I decide to blow it off? Are there issues that address these UN thingies?
See above, by and large. I'm not 100% certain what you mean about "are there issues that address these UN thingies?" There are issues which are similar to some proposals and resolutions, yes.

Just how do I, if I decide to do so, defy the UN resoultions? The FAQ says I can't, but I see no evidence of resolution enforcement. So apparently I can by virtue of the UN doing nothing but taking up space?
The bottom line is that you can't defy a UN resolution in a mechanical sense, but you can do whatever you want in a role-played sense.

So what does a UN resolution actually do to affect the "game"?
See above.

* The Rep of Komokom, eyes the delegate from Gethamane and their comment involving pets and leashes, gives them a wry grin and comments to the effect,

"On some level I feel as if I am being flirted with... Eh, its all good."

:wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.

Sorry, I'll be staying in the UN. Do you have any idea what would happen if any of the six feeder delegates dropped from the UN?

No, please, enlighten me with your words of wisdom.

Complete and utter chaos would ensue. Invaders and defenders alike wuld clamor to the region to try to appoint their own candidates. If said invaders won, it would destabilize almost all civilized regions in the game with endless struggles to retake it, i.e. The Pacific.

Sorry, I'll be staying in the UN. Do you have any idea what would happen if any of the six feeder delegates dropped from the UN?

No, please, enlighten me with your words of wisdom.

Complete and utter chaos would ensue. Invaders and defenders alike wuld clamor to the region to try to appoint their own candidates. If said invaders won, it would destabilize almost all civilized regions in the game with endless struggles to retake it, i.e. The Pacific.

I'm sorry, how could theoretical invaders of the region The Pacific possibly destabilize my "civilised region" with endless struggles to re-take it?

How on earth could some region being crashed possibly effect mine? With what, hypothetical refugees? An influx of nations scrambling for sensible pre-existing regions?

I think not, mine is password protected with a strict password security regime and no delegate to region control.

Unless I missed the point and you've something else to add to your fantasitic claim?

- The Rep of Komokom.

Yes, once again enlighten us with your "allknowing wisdom", Kandarin.