NationStates Jolt Archive


Gay rights, religion, marriage...

Bahgum
04-03-2004, 21:27
....no, none of these (thankfully), but Bahgum has submitted the following, in the interest of multiculturalism:

Recent attempts to introduce wholesale language changes to the UN have been too sweeping (i.e. change to Esperanto) or too narrow (just introduce one more language)

We suggest that there are multitudes of languages and cultures to enjoy, and enjoy them the UN should. The aim is to create a truly multicultural UN, which is best done if you can enjoy the process!

Bahgum proposes that the UN hosts international language weeks. A language can be celebrated during that week and UN delegates may wish to speak with an accent which reflects this in their UN postings. They can even introduce interesting cultural facts into their posts.

In fact there is already an international talk like a pirate day ( http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html ) which the UN could adopt for starters, and is on Sept 19th. In the meantime we can have:
Aussie Week
Scots Week
French Week
Arabic Week
Russian Week etc

Bahgum humbly volunteers to post the name of the week at the start of each week on the UN forum, and will be more than happy to accept suggestions from joyously participating nations!

You don't need to know the language, just be willing to get into the swing of things!!! Remember the UN should be seen as all inclusive!
Berkylvania
04-03-2004, 21:50
The hugely xenophillic yet humbly shy nation of Berkylvania heartily endorses this idea and hopes to see a draft proposal soon.
04-03-2004, 22:26
VETO!!!
The Communist Dictator
05-03-2004, 03:28
ok wtf dude if ur gonig to make a post make sure the title actually has something to do with it
Global Peoples
05-03-2004, 03:37
The only problem with a proposal such as this is there are no guidelines on how exactly to "talk like" any of the specified. Without the guidelines or any sort of background knowlege, the only way people would know to imitate a group is through the exploitation of vicious steriotypes.

The Pirate community of the RGP is still up in arms and peg-legs with the blantant steriotypes portrayed in "Pirates of the Carribian.
Hamptonshire
05-03-2004, 07:23
This proposal, while well-intentioned, should not be taken any further.
Bahgum
05-03-2004, 09:16
Hey, sorry about the topic title, just couldn't resist it (grin)! Though it's about time we had some more fun proposals and less of those in the topic title!!
05-03-2004, 10:04
"Aye, Sir Albert, y'hev the backing o'Joccia fer yer ootlandish perposal!"

Communique from King Mac.

Whilst we appreciate the humour in misdirecting the forum trotters with the Post Title, we feel that the Representative of Bahgum must be feeling the strain of his enormously absorbing social commitments.

Would not the title 'Religious Genocide in the Marriage of Gay and Racial Cleansing' have been possibly more apt and less likely to draw attention from the sort of MORONS who are complaining?
Dhena
05-03-2004, 11:09
As the humble representative of the People of Dhena, it falls upon me to make a statement in this matter. And I find it disturbing that some state leaders has lost their mind.

Surely, the UN as a democratic body must realise the folly of this immature and alltogether unrealistic matter.

VETO!

Ivil O. Werloord,
President.
05-03-2004, 11:16
"Crivens ya wee oochta choochta, ye'll nae be far oot w'yer canny thocht. An' the Wee Free Men o' the Nac Mac Feigle'll gi' yu haunners, on tha' y'may depend wi'oot doot."

"Aye, yer can tak' a skinfu' wi'out getting too fou', an tha's monny a swallie."
Bahgum
05-03-2004, 14:04
Bahgum is never fails to be amused at the lack of humour which can prevail in the UN (though the UN strangers bar is a refreshing change). To label any idea which is in line with the quirky, humourful nature of the GAME as 'immature' is a response often expected by Bahgum. This idea is fun, has a UN slant, and this thread topic title pokes fun at the regular recurrence of certain discussed to death topics, so why not? Constructive dialog is great, as we like to see the unexpected turns of a debate, but please less of the knee jerk reactions, we have seen them before.

Anyway, if voted in, it would merely mean that a language is chosen for a week, and those fun loving nations can join in, the rest don't have to.
05-03-2004, 14:53
"By 'Eck Sir Albert, y'said a reet mouthful there!"

" 'Ave y'thought bye the bye, of mebbe including a colokw...collowcw...regional accents day an'all. Gradely, reet gradely my old cock!"
05-03-2004, 15:10
The Central Committee Of The WLP (Left Faction) Protest in the strongest possible terms! You enticed us with the topic, which we took as yet another opportunity to be outraged and to call other nations reactionary, while spluttering and going red in the face! We find that while are spluttering and going red in the face, we now have no reason to do so, and now have to make things up to get mad about! It will not stand! Not it will not!!

However, we could be swayed into supporting Bahgum if an international sectarian leftists language day was included. The dialect is easy to master and very useful. It involves speaking as though one were a 19th century intellectual, using 50 words where one would do, and ending all sentences, without fail, with the words 'reforge the 4th international'. Verilly we ascertain that the international proletarian vanguard would find this to be most advantagous to their proclamations. Reforge the 4th International!

Workers Liberation Party (Left-Communist Faction) Central Committe.
Ecopoeia
05-03-2004, 15:21
Presumably we'd also have to ensure that everyone can tell their right deviationist from their Trot, not to mention the sectarians and the splitters. Comrade. Brother. Um...

Desmond 'Coyote' Hawkins
Speaker for Left Wing Bickering and Recrimination
05-03-2004, 15:31
day bidet?
05-03-2004, 15:40
day bidet?

Eh?
05-03-2004, 16:00
One of the newest countries inducted into the UN, The Holy Empire of Jasotamia, will have to respectfully veto this proposal
05-03-2004, 16:42
One of the newest countries inducted into the UN, The Holy Empire of Jasotamia, will have to respectfully veto this proposal

"Och dearie, dearie me! Ye'll hev me cryin' intae mah whisky"
Berkylvania
05-03-2004, 17:26
One of the newest countries inducted into the UN, The Holy Empire of Jasotamia, will have to respectfully veto this proposal

The highly curious yet snidely scoffing nation of Berkylvania wonders if you have any particular reason for your veto or if you're just opposed to multiculturalisim in general?
05-03-2004, 17:48
One of the newest countries inducted into the UN, The Holy Empire of Jasotamia, will have to respectfully veto this proposal

The highly curious yet snidely scoffing nation of Berkylvania wonders if you have any particular reason for your veto or if you're just opposed to multiculturalisim in general?

Our country is opposed to said proprosal, because we believe in not celebrating differences, but trying to act as one people, in the end we are all just people.
Berkylvania
05-03-2004, 17:57
One of the newest countries inducted into the UN, The Holy Empire of Jasotamia, will have to respectfully veto this proposal

The highly curious yet snidely scoffing nation of Berkylvania wonders if you have any particular reason for your veto or if you're just opposed to multiculturalisim in general?

Our country is opposed to said proprosal, because we believe in not celebrating differences, but trying to act as one people, in the end we are all just people.

*The slightly perplexed representative thinks about this and scratches his head while staring at the respresentative of Jasotamia. He then shrugs his shoulders, mumbles, "Whatever," and goes off to debate something else.*
Bahgum
05-03-2004, 19:52
The glorious nation of Bahgum is as amused as ever to see the initial knee jerk response from some nations, and also pleased that the debate has moved on. We humbly request that fun loving nations wishing to learn something of other cultures politely ask their delegates to give this proposal (named :join in an international UN) a vote.

We are not sure what this 'Veto' that the small new nations are wittering on about is, having not seen one so far in this fun game. As to the usual complaints that Bahgum encounters on entering a slightly less than serious proposal, we would answer that this proposal can be fun (in keeping with the original quirky and amusing style of the game and the book), has a UN slant, gives nations a chance to share their interesting cultural facts, and that the title of this thread is poke of fun at the repetitive nature of some of the discussed to death issues.
05-03-2004, 20:25
I have an idea. Let's allow everyone playing NationStates to post in their own native language. That would be cool. People who speak Yiddish could have conversations that most of us couldn't decipher, the Chinese likewise, etc.

Great idea, multiculturalism.

I'm all for it.
Donald trump
06-03-2004, 02:14
do your people speak dumbya?
Bahgum
06-03-2004, 21:22
Hey, we got 2 endorsements to the proposal so far, lets aim for double figures!!! Looks like Bahgum will have to announce the week in the strangers bar anyhow!
Over den Yssel
09-03-2004, 11:28
godsallemachtig die klojo's zijn ook achterlijk bezig zeg, laat mensen lekker zelf beslissen over hun liefde! [dutch]
09-03-2004, 19:23
I've got an idea. Why don't we all take ourselves far too seriously, and try to piss all over the original spirit of this game. Let this happen. If for no other reason than I would then be able to scream Sacumdin Sacumden constantly. Much like this:


Sacumdin, Sacumden, Impera Conga!!!
09-03-2004, 23:15
I've got an idea. Why don't we all take ourselves far too seriously, and try to piss all over the original spirit of this game. Let this happen. If for no other reason than I would then be able to scream Sacumdin Sacumden constantly. Much like this:


Sacumdin, Sacumden, Impera Conga!!!

Aye, an weell ye'll do it too y'beauty! We of Joccia know the sense o' y'r argument even if ye will speak in a heathen tongue that'll hev the sheep ableatin'
09-03-2004, 23:16
I've got an idea. Why don't we all take ourselves far too seriously, and try to piss all over the original spirit of this game. Let this happen. If for no other reason than I would then be able to scream Sacumdin Sacumden constantly. Much like this:


Sacumdin, Sacumden, Impera Conga!!!

Aye, an weell ye'll do it too y'beauty! We of Joccia know the sense o' y'r argument even if ye will speak in a heathen tongue that'll hev the sheep ableatin'
Of portugal
10-03-2004, 04:12
i refuse to comply to allow gay marriages and therefore i am leaving the UN i support all who have any moral standerds to do the same and also all who quite will have a place in my region.
10-03-2004, 05:01
I just love it when people don't even take the time to read what the post is about before they write up a reply. It warms the ever black cockles of my heart. That plus I get a laugh from Of portugal's attitude. (Snivels and whines) But it’s not fair that you always prove me wrong! So I'm quitting! Now if Only we could get this to work for Nimbus Sun...

ps- While I am on the "right" side (pun intended) people like these who just whine and don’t try to help out just plain suck.
-waiting in earnest for the coming flame...
-And just remember, there is always more... Booyah For All!
Of portugal
10-03-2004, 05:04
ok sooo u are going to put up with this immoral law? and allow this indecency in your country? HA you make me laugh! The only moral option as a leader was to quite and free my country of the UN's unlawfullness
10-03-2004, 05:44
i refuse to comply to allow gay marriages and therefore i am leaving the UN i support all who have any moral standerds to do the same and also all who quite will have a place in my region.

And yet you don't kick me out, even though I not only stayed, but upon further pondering since our last emperor ceded the throne to the people, allowed gay marriage on the basis of live and let live. After all, love is blind, so why should it be looking at the type of genatalia. Heteros like you and I and anyone else can go on loving the opposite sex, and gays can, as long as they don't make a pass on me, go ahead and be happy with the same sex. Even on a basis of religion, I have to think our Messiah would be happier to see that I am letting my virtual fags be happy married couples than you lining them up and having your virtual army shoot them with RPed guns.

ok sooo u are going to put up with this immoral law? and allow this indecency in your country? HA you make me laugh! The only moral option as a leader was to quite and free my country of the UN's unlawfullness

Yes, I am going to put up with this "immoral law" because, believe it or not, the Bible and the Church can be wrong, and I believe have on some occasions admitted to it. I don't care what some Vatican document says, buddy, but Jesus doesn't want us putting gays on firing lines. We should be accepting them as human beings, regardless of their different tastes in sexuality. They cannot help it that they are different, and they put up with enough s*** from their peers. Why should the government get in the way of their happiness?

** Having dodged the thunderbolt, Vivelo II's representative heads off to procure a kevlar vest to prepare for getting shot for having an idea that differs from his peers' about the nature of God's will. **
Elvandair
10-03-2004, 05:49
Give gays equal privilaged civil unions. The End.
Of portugal
10-03-2004, 05:52
i refuse to comply to allow gay marriages and therefore i am leaving the UN i support all who have any moral standerds to do the same and also all who quite will have a place in my region.

And yet you don't kick me out, even though I not only stayed, but upon further pondering since our last emperor ceded the throne to the people, allowed gay marriage on the basis of live and let live. After all, love is blind, so why should it be looking at the type of genatalia. Heteros like you and I and anyone else can go on loving the opposite sex, and gays can, as long as they don't make a pass on me, go ahead and be happy with the same sex. Even on a basis of religion, I have to think our Messiah would be happier to see that I am letting my virtual fags be happy married couples than you lining them up and having your virtual army shoot them with RPed guns.

ok sooo u are going to put up with this immoral law? and allow this indecency in your country? HA you make me laugh! The only moral option as a leader was to quite and free my country of the UN's unlawfullness

Yes, I am going to put up with this "immoral law" because, believe it or not, the Bible and the Church can be wrong, and I believe have on some occasions admitted to it. I don't care what some Vatican document says, buddy, but Jesus doesn't want us putting gays on firing lines. We should be accepting them as human beings, regardless of their different tastes in sexuality. They cannot help it that they are different, and they put up with enough s*** from their peers. Why should the government get in the way of their happiness?

** Having dodged the thunderbolt, Vivelo II's representative heads off to procure a kevlar vest to prepare for getting shot for having an idea that differs from his peers' about the nature of God's will. **

if u read any other of my posts u would realize what i said i said that it is alright to help the people but u cannot support their lifestyle jez
10-03-2004, 10:36
Och, Bahgum! Ye've done it the noo, Ye've gone an' let the GodBotherers an' the anti-gays, and the complete twats in! They ha' na' enough o' their own thrids so they're highjackin' this one. Mind you it does prove that nane o' them actually ha' onny brains in their hieds.
Komokom
10-03-2004, 11:04
Awww Crickey! :D

Of Portugals leaving the United Nations ? :?

Awww, crickey, here I was plann'in to throw him in front of a big momma crocco'dile-y! Wow, ! Look, the zealots are going at it like a pair of spitting cobra's ! Awww, wow ! Extreme stuff ! I like Animals so much ! :D :D :D

Did ay'say to through another shrimp (Or is it prawn?) on the barbie for Bahgum ! ! !

Crickey mate, this is spec-tacular ! :D

(Yes, I am mocking Steve Erwin, and in part my Aussie accent, though we don't really speak like that, well, most of us... :) )

In reality for a moment... no, wait, considering where I am now... In sanity for a moment, no, wait...

I actually like Bahgums proposal, it'd be damn fun to chat in "accents" for a day, and could some one please tell me how this convo skipped across onto homosexuality, marriage, and any other moral issue I forget to mention?

Oh, yeah, before I forget, :D

Gay marriage is here to stay for now. :)

I am athiest, so could the "bible freek's" cease using the said text as proof in their arguments, :)

And I am pro-choice for abortion. :)

(Ducks and covers) :wink:

Now, I've had my two Komok Almight Dollars, And go ! Baghums proposal!

- The Rep of Komokom, Crickey! :D
Cataslan
10-03-2004, 11:22
Vee do-n't understand ze extreeme tension zat zis proposahl cozez!
It is kwite an excellent proposahl, yes?

But I do agree zat ze ghey marriage off ze priestz is only very good venn abortzion iz not an option anymore. Vere vould ve be if ve had ghey, married and pregnant priestz?! Europe, most surely!

So lets all sit down and haff some kraut and beer, ja?

(Edit:) God damned German typo, Heil Sausage.
Collaboration
10-03-2004, 16:17
Seven days of speaking like the Nac macFeigles make one weak.
10-03-2004, 16:37
there are more than 200 languages and dialects in the world..can you manage it? :wink:
10-03-2004, 16:44
creating the strong industry and economy is essential,forget about nature and gay rights.they have enough rights already-right to live
Berkylvania
10-03-2004, 17:01
creating the strong industry and economy is essential,forget about nature and gay rights.they have enough rights already-right to live

The full up to here yet strangely empty nation of Berkylvania suggests you actually READ the proposal before you debate it.
Bahgum
10-03-2004, 18:07
Great, our mildly unserious thread is back, and the real nutters have moved in. That's what Bahgum calls entertainment. By the way, next week is Scots week in the strangers bar in honour of the MacFeigle!
10-03-2004, 18:21
10-03-2004, 18:24
Berkylvania
10-03-2004, 18:24
Berkylvania
10-03-2004, 18:29
*Quite to everyone's surprise, the junior diplomatic attache from the always ready to party yet usually designated driver nation of Berkylvania produces a large pint of some dark hops derived beverage from his briefcase, jumps on the table and shouts, "Viva La MacFeigle!" while attempting to down the entire pint in one go and sloshing quite a bit of it across his suit. After a moment of stunned silence, the senior diplomatic attache comments, "Yes, well, quite, er, um, we agree with the sentiment of our junior member, but can not condone the wasting of the beer, so next time we will make sure he drinks properly."*
10-03-2004, 18:38
Och, an' there was me thinking it was already :oops:
11-03-2004, 05:48
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Of portugal
11-03-2004, 05:55
umm ok?
11-03-2004, 06:17
Hmmm, let's see. Who knows the password I normally use? Who has no grasp whatsoever of grammar, spelling, punctuation, or capitalization? Who is absurdly anti-gay rights? If you answered Of portugal, you know who edited my post there. It was originally a happy drunken romp in which I advertised for my Vivelo II's vinyards and denounced anti-gays, but Of portugal, with his limited mental capacity had to go and turn it into the stupidest thing I've ever read. Sorry about him.
11-03-2004, 10:02
Hmmm, let's see. Who knows the password I normally use? Who has no grasp whatsoever of grammar, spelling, punctuation, or capitalization? Who is absurdly anti-gay rights? If you answered Of portugal, you know who edited my post there. It was originally a happy drunken romp in which I advertised for my Vivelo II's vinyards and denounced anti-gays, but Of portugal, with his limited mental capacity had to go and turn it into the stupidest thing I've ever read. Sorry about him.

Awa' man, c'mon doon tae the Strangers bar an hae a guid dram wi' us. An' if yer wee tormentor follows ye there, we'll introduce him tae the Feigle foreheid
Komokom
11-03-2004, 10:35
Hmmm, let's see. Who knows the password I normally use? Who has no grasp whatsoever of grammar, spelling, punctuation, or capitalization? Who is absurdly anti-gay rights? If you answered Of portugal, you know who edited my post there. It was originally a happy drunken romp in which I advertised for my Vivelo II's vinyards and denounced anti-gays, but Of portugal, with his limited mental capacity had to go and turn it into the stupidest thing I've ever read. Sorry about him.

Sorry, why be sorry? Use a frying pan on him, and when the police turn up claim temporary sanity due to his antics... :wink:

- The Rep of Komokom.
Vivelon
12-03-2004, 06:02
Hello everybody. I'm back. Notice the change in name? Of portugal's doing. This should mean war on the homophobic bastard, but, since I just restarted my nation (and would like to keep an attitude of nonviolence) I am far from capable of warmongering. Could someone else possibly work out the grimy details? I would repay you handsomely, buy you a drink in the bar, knight you (about the only power I have as king of a constitutional monarchy), let any of your citizens vacation to Vivelon (aka Vivelo II) with no questions asked outside of keeping Vivelonites safe. How 'bout it? Surely we cannot let such a knave go on harassing those peaceful nations which do not cower before his hateful economic powers. Of portugal is a devil, a born devil. Let's round his life with a sleep. May all his cloud capped palaces and solemn temples, Yea, all of it shall disolve and leave not a rack behind (thank God for Shakespeare!)