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Please support my proposal and vote for it to become a resolution.

I propose we take the lunar base further, and begin a permanent mining colony on the moon, this way, we will have the basic know-how and experience to move even further than the moon and someday colonize Mars.

I propose, not heavy mineral depleting mining, just minor excaveation. Study the different elements of the Moon. Even more importantly have a steady stream of traffic from here to the Moon. Send small mining families, heavy military police force, and lunar scientists.

Build radio telescope relays, and begin launching permanent telecommunication satellites around the Moon. Turn it into a metropolis. Send long term prisoners there for labor resources. Get other countries involved besides fellow U.N. nations. Make the moon an asset to the mother world of Earth. Cease heavy mining on our own planet.

Build and launch the Moon's own space program, that works along with ours. The first man mission to Mars should be launched from this program.

In conclusion, I propose a long term space exploration plan that utilizes the Moon as a stepping stone to Mars, increases U.N. territory and increase our small knowledge of the universe.

Thank you for your time

We would note that there are already nations in the UN that have expanded much further than Mars. For instance, the delegate from Karmabaijan comes from Titan, a moon of Saturn.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Retired UN Delegate

No discussion on space would be complete without quotes from the great WERNHER VON BRAUN, one of my favorite scientists:

"Man is the best computer we have, and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."

"Research is what I call it when I don't know what I'm doing."

"I aimed for the stars, but I hit London."

"There is one thing I can promise you about the space program -- your tax dollar will go further."

"I have learned to use the word ‘impossible’ with only the greatest caution."

"The space program will free man from his remaining chains, the chains of gravity which still tie him to this planet. It will open to him the gates of heaven."

"We can beat gravity, but the paperwork is overwhelming."

"Don’t tell me that man doesn’t belong out there. Man belongs wherever he wants to go—and he’ll do plenty well when he gets there."

"Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a baby a month."

I see that we have a UN delegate from Titan, but I am proposing that the U.N. help in expanding human kind to the further reaches of space. I am sure other planets in our universe have colonies on other planets, but do we even know this for sure? Sure someone from a far off moon has immigrated to earth but has anyone from earth immigrated to another planet. If you think we should move towards expanding out of our planet then support this proposal, move it to become a resolution and make it a global policy, if a country doesnt want to particpate then that is their choice, but I am talking about a UN colony not an individual country that specific colony will become its own country or spring into several countries.

I am already at the moon at the Eastern Lunar Region. First colony of the moon.

YARGH!! We be a nation of sea-farin' pirates! If we could be a-goin' to outerspace and become space pirates, well then, we'd be all for that.

Minister of Commerce,
Warmongaria

Our scientists estimate that, assuming the use of current technology, Ukroatia's proposal will cost us trillions of goats per year and recoup nothing. They also point out that international space agencies have a history of failure. We will not take part in such an idiotic proposal.

Until we have proven we can take care of the planet we already have I fail to see what entitles us to explore others.

I have voted yes for your program mainly because Welly is a very intellectual state and has many scientists itching to make new discoveries. Thank You

i say we use my trump explorer to distribute money to foreign civilizations....and of course my new "TRUMP ICE!" bwah ha ha ha ha!

the Don

If anyone actually reads the proposal, it isnt a waste of money. As of right now the biggest business that could be set up there is mining. The moon has several iron type ores that are stronger than titanium. Other businesses will follow. Once enough people move there, agriculure will grow. There are some gems more precious than diamonds on the moon. Diamonds come originally from trees after being compressed for millions of years, but what happens to iron after being compressed for millions of years.

Sure a lot of money needs to be invested in this, but I assure you the taxes the U.N. will collect from exports and imports will go back evenly to all U.N. countries. If this becomes a resolution, remember, all U.N. countries have to adopt it. Everyone will evenly pay now, but everyone will evenly recieve back forever, or until we blow the moon up which ever comes first.

Until we have proven we can take care of the planet we already have I fail to see what entitles us to explore others.

LMAO. It would be a real shame if, on the verge of maturing, the human race were wiped out by some catastrophe, like a supernova, or meteors.

Oh well, perspective.

come on vote here get your regional delegate to vote for it give me input. i want to know what you think. the current resolution will pass and after that my proposal in some other shape or form will come next. vote now.

there are nations here that are already multi-solar system spaning empires and others that take well earned pride in their flint knives and bear skins.

the trouble with this proposal is that it presumes a unified timefraime and such is simply not here the case.

nor need it be.

if you are proposing that a u.n. space agency set in mundane earth's current or near future timeframe have ambitions beyond earth's moon it seems highly likely that any such agency would allready have them as a forgone given

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perhaps individual nations have spread but the UN as a whole hasnt and thats what the proposal is for.

We believe that the exploration is imperitive to the continued economic health of our region and the world in general. However, that exploration should be thoughtful, purposeful, and fruitful. Simply going out blindly into the unknown risks squandering both valuable hardware and liquid capital, but also the talents and time of our brightest citizens. Our position is that exploration should be conducted mainly by the private sector which has much more experience and expertise at goal-oriented project management than many governments. This will ensure that the exploration that does occur will have not only a scientific benefit, but also the economic benefit of opening up new resources of raw materials and the developement of new technologies.

Reasons for colonization are not for capital gain, but eventually it could come to survival of the human race. We need to learn how to adapt and overcome the possiblity of earth being no longer habitable.

Oh and I by the way am against claiming territory on the moon. To make a claim, you have to get your rear end up there and setup your own area, if you want to individually invest in that yourself.

This idea prepostrous. It is total waste of money. At the moment, there is absolutely no point in this bill. We do not currently have cheap enough technology to do this in a cost effective way. In addition, Earth is not going to reach a point of inhospitability for thousands of years if we make reforms here on Earth. Then, in maybe a hundred years we will have technology cheap enough to do what you say. This bill is not overall terrible, but is just not good for our current time.




Dept. of Space Exploration,
United Socialist States of Resistencia

If over ten thousand countries are paying for one program, it looks pretty cost effective to me.

we whole heartedly support a united planetary space program.
we simply don't support micromanaging it by decree.

(i also hope i haven't inadvertanty attempted to vote twice
and certaily support an infinitely extended range of exploratory goals)

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If anyone actually reads the proposal, it isnt a waste of money. As of right now the biggest business that could be set up there is mining. The moon has several iron type ores that are stronger than titanium. Other businesses will follow. Once enough people move there, agriculure will grow. There are some gems more precious than diamonds on the moon. Diamonds come originally from trees after being compressed for millions of years, but what happens to iron after being compressed for millions of years.

Sure a lot of money needs to be invested in this, but I assure you the taxes the U.N. will collect from exports and imports will go back evenly to all U.N. countries. If this becomes a resolution, remember, all U.N. countries have to adopt it. Everyone will evenly pay now, but everyone will evenly recieve back forever, or until we blow the moon up which ever comes first.

Not true. If gold nuggets were available for the taking on the moon, it probably would not pay to retrieve them. The iron ores are probably worth less than that.

Not if you do it on a large scale, first it will create heavy traffic to and from the moon, and it gets other companies involved.

Wanna make moon mining cost effective? Just sell the idea to Mary Kay and Avon that moondust has properties that enhance women's youthful appearance.

We wouldn't waste money on a cure for cancer, or a new energy source, or any other mundane concern. But, convince women that something might make them look younger, the money will pour in.

Resistencia writes "Earth is not going to reach a point of inhospitability for thousands of years if we make reforms here on Earth"

I find that statement to be preposterous. Are you thousands of years ahead of the rest of the earth scientifically? You have ascertained that the Sun cannot possibly go nova in the next hundred years? You have determined the course of every heavenly body within 100 lightyears large enough to harm the earth? And, you are quite certain that there is no imminent ice age? There are a lot of theories on such things, but, you have proof?

One catastrophe can claim the entire human race as victim, whatever you may think. I say, let's start expanding, as quickly as possible.

I concur with that assessment. We have made the first step by passing the UNSC resolution. Let us take it a step further. Ask your UN delegate to support the 'Further than the Moon' proposal. Let's make some progress. Lets act like we are in the 21st century. Lets innovate and be open to new extreme ideas.

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Thats actually not such a half bad idea. Sure there are the Pros/Cons but theres a factor within investigation and discussion some tend to forget, and that factor is taking this risk (in a way if you have no regrets) and practical research.

Refering to a comment made earlier about saying the minerals on the moon can enhance female appearance, surely it may be true, but it also may not be true, you really shouldnt say anything unless you have proven your arguement and are willing to show first-hand evidence of such claims, otherwise the people are going to realise what false news are being pointed out and there may be a big chance of losing favour rapidly.

I always stick strongly towards the rule about production of first hand evidence for no matter what type of claim people make, but if what everyone is saying is true, those who are entitled to ask/request for it should want to see such paperwork of facts before actually making a yes/no answer.

As for myself, i would most likely say "yes" to do it, but from what arguemental comments/points others have made, i may have to look into it more before my decision is final.


Tytrox Throx
2000th Generation Royal Emperor
Empire of Zortroth

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Well thought out. You have Alrindor's approval.

I am agree with the proposal, except in what refers to the installation of a prison camp and the economic exploitation of the moon. I think the moon should be keeped as untouched as possible, like the Antartica.

Le Président

All for economic exploitation of the moon. But isn't this subject covered by the UN Space Consortium?

the proposal is now officially dead. in my changed opion, i think the current UNSC resolution is sufficient and does not currently conflict with any of my own hopeful goals of colonization. the industry part and prisoner relocation part are just some of the ways this could be a cost effective proposal by the way, and i give copywrites to this proposal away for public use in case a new proposal comes up for vote in regards to the same subject. thank you and tell your UN delegate about the 3rd trimester abortion ban proposal being drafted in the selftitled thread

Calvin
President of Ukroatia

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Refering to a comment made earlier about saying the minerals on the moon can enhance female appearance, surely it may be true, but it also may not be true, you really shouldnt say anything unless you have proven your arguement and are willing to show first-hand evidence of such claims, otherwise the people are going to realise what false news are being pointed out and there may be a big chance of losing favour rapidly.

Tytrox Throx
2000th Generation Royal Emperor
Empire of Zortroth[/quot

Zortroth, I made no claims. I pointed out a possibility. A possibility that is every bit as likely as animal fats enhancing a female's appearance, or earrings, or bones through the nose. All that needs be done, is to convince WOMEN that moondust has such properties. Come on now, cosmetics manufacturers make fortunes already, on far less palatable ingredients than sterile moondust.