NationStates Jolt Archive

If you read the resolution carefully...you will see that it renders the UN useless. It defeats the purpose of the UN in this game.

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

The double-edge sword is the biggest part of the challenge of the UN. Do not take it away!

It would seem as if this resolution is limiting the powers of the UN, but if you read it closely, you will see it basically reiterates it and in some ways strengthens UN powers.

Of course, I personally don't agree with that. I am all for a reduction of UN Power and the increase of the sovereingty of individual nations. It would be much more enjoyable if I didn't have to have issues such as international gun control laws and limiting the powers of industry for so-called environmental issues being forced on my nation.

Personally, I think more nations would remain in the UN if that were the case. Or even if they were offered choices on how to implement the new resolution rather than having it decided for them, like deciding on any other issue.

I am all for a reduction of UN Power and the increase of the sovereingty of individual nations. It would be much more enjoyable if I didn't have to have issues such as international gun control laws and limiting the powers of industry for so-called environmental issues being forced on my nation.

Personally, I think more nations would remain in the UN if that were the case. Or even if they were offered choices on how to implement the new resolution rather than having it decided for them, like deciding on any other issue.

I agree with your opinion that the reason many nations leave the NationStates UN is because there are far too many resolutions that are passed that don't have any impact on international affairs, but specifically target domestic issues.

But I urge you to reconsider your vote. The current resolution seeks to end the confuse about what the UN can and can not do by better defining its mission.

Hopefully a UN that takes more advisory roles would also be a UN with increased membership. And with increased membership, UN opinion begins to amount to more.

10kMichael

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Double-posting is not really strengthening the arguments.

Double-posting is not really strengthening the arguments.
And blaming the poster for the problems of the server isn't exactly helping either.

Double-posting is not really strengthening the arguments.
And blaming the poster for the problems of the server isn't exactly helping either.

Thanks Fris. I noticed it was The Truly Enlightened's first post to the forum, so I'm still holding out hope that he / she will actually add something to the discussion next time.

Double-posting is not really strengthening the arguments.

If you were The Truly Enlightened, you'd know that most double posts are an error due to server problems. Your name is a statement of lies.

If you were The Truly Enlightened, you'd know that most double posts are an error due to server problems. Your name is a statement of lies.

It was their first post, chill.

Melmond - please explain how you feel the current bill weakens the un? The first three articles about being able to govern as you choose apply to ALL nationstates (including non-UN members), then you'll see that the last 4 or so specifically talk about UN members. I believe article 11 talks about adhering to international law as written. I do not have a copy of this doccument in front of me so forgive me if I have made a few semantical errors.

Basically this document re-iterates and re-inforces the purpose and intent of the UN, but not really removing or adding any powers.

Melmond - please explain how you feel the current bill weakens the un?

Basically this document re-iterates and re-inforces the purpose and intent of the UN, but not really removing or adding any powers.

Ironically, though the delegate from New Eriu and myself may disagree on a great many things, I think it is safe to say that both our governments agree that the Rights and Duties resolution isn't changing the letter of the law.

Now how the UN functions after the passage of this resolution ... now that is a subject that we both have different opinions on.

10kMichael
UN Ambassador
Confederation of Mikitivity

If you read the resolution carefully...you will see that it renders the UN useless. It defeats the purpose of the UN in this game.

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

The double-edge sword is the biggest part of the challenge of the UN. Do not take it away!


Well now, just what does everyone view the UN as being? A super-government, ultimately responsible for every silly domestic dispute that might occur around the planet? And beyond, it seems, with the resolutions regarding the moon.

I see resolutions whose purpose is nothing more than interference in local/domestic affairs. Browse through the resolutions, and study them. Many, basically, are saying nothing more than "I'm smarter than my neighbor, and I want to solve all his problems for him."

Basically, I see THIS resolution as worthy of consideration, because it seems to carefully balance the rights of nations against the responsibilities of nations. Basically, this is a decent proposal.

It is obvious that some of the ideas contained within this proposal are at odds with other resolutions and some laws already adopted. I presume that THIS proposal will take precedence? I should hope so.

I could give it my wholehearted approval, if it had provision for being amended. Not amended by the typical ill thought out proposal which gains a simple quorum, gets thrown out to the vote, and every liberal in sight rubber stamps it. An amendment to the laws regarding individual nation's rights and responsibilities should be taken far more seriously, requiring a super-quorum, perhaps 20% of delegates, as well as a super majority of voters, perhaps 66%.

I DO NOT see the UN as a tool to mold the entire world to my liking. This is called "world domination", where a few win, and everyone else loses. I see the UN as more a peacemaker, peacekeeper, last resort authority. No single entity has the right or the authority to "rule" the world. If, in fact, this is what the UN's purpose is, I can see that my nation will be at odds with the UN sometime in the future.

In effect, I see this resolution as a sort of "Bill of Rights", which should be part of the UN's costitution. It just maybe could use a little work, a little refining, but it IS a good document. The author, Frisbeeteria, is to be commended. :)

Browse through the resolutions, and study them. Many, basically, are saying nothing more than "I'm smarter than my neighbor, and I want to solve all his problems for him."


This is perhaps one of the simplest and yet truest statements I've read around here!

10kMichael

Browse through the resolutions, and study them. Many, basically, are saying nothing more than "I'm smarter than my neighbor, and I want to solve all his problems for him."


This is perhaps one of the simplest and yet truest statements I've read around here!

10kMichael

I agree with this. Personally, I feel almost ready to draft up a proposal for all UN Nations for making better, more well thought out proposals. Where nations have to make sure that the proposals they make affect international affairs, rather than just being "I want to force the laws of my nation on everyone else."

I will have a rough draft ready when I get around to it.