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DELETE MY RESULUTION! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

16-02-2004, 18:45
MODERATORS. Please delete my resulution which is currently being voted on. It is quite frankly s**t. Here is a rewright that I intend to submit in a coupl of weeks, please delete MY Saving the Forests of the World res. I think I have the right to get it deleted. The rewright:

This is a rewrite of the poorly written Saving the Forests of the World resolution. Unlike its predecessor, it is spell-checked and proofread, and it actually has a point. The material used has been thought up by numerous peoples, and is a composite of the best material this nation could find in debate.

This resolution attempts to make <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=54&src=zon">people</a> realize the following:
Trees are a renewable resource can be handled quite well, and go on producing for hundreds of years. <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=People&v=54&src=zon">People</a> should try to protect such things as old growth forests and the rainforests.

The following resolution applies to ALL forests, not just rainforests, all though there will be differences in the rules applied these rules will be specified later in this document.

The <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=Law&v=54&src=zon">Law</a> that would be passed in all nations with membership in the United Nations:

As a pose to the destruction of forests, tree farms are to be set up in every nation. These will not produce as much <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=money&v=54&src=zon">money</a> as simply cutting down the forests, but they will supply the essential materials needed from the forests (i.e. woods) These trees would be fast growing, so as to ensure that their isn’t to long a wait between harvests, and would not be <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=homes&v=54&src=zon">homes</a> to any creatures naturally, raising no ecological issues. The industry, wood chipping in particular, of the nations involved would be damaged, as farmers would be independent of industries, but the environment would be largely saved from wanton destruction.
The forests of the world are a valuable commodity, and one that is being needlessly wasted. The following are reasons for passing the resolution that I am proposing.

1. Global warming reduction.
Global warming is a huge issue. The real UN endorsed Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which states that, to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions we need to reduce our emissions, globally, by at least 60%, some recent estimates put this figure at 80% and eve higher (Kyoto Protocol will reduce emissions by about 5%). If we were to cease all emissions right now, global temperatures would rise by about 3 degrees and sea levels will continue to rise for the next several hundred years, the effects on ocean currents and the global climate will be considerable and terrible. Global warming would result huge negative effects on agricultural industries and result in more extreme <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=weather&v=54&src=zon">weather</a> patterns. Wind would be stronger, the environment would be generally wetter, and the sea levels would rise enormously.

2. It is our belief that we should protect all life, whenever possible, as every living being has the right to exist, and the felling of forests would kill hundreds of thousands of species of plant, bird, insect and animal, extinction would be a result for many of them.
3. Corporations and governments do not care so much about the <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=beauty&v=54&src=zon">beauty</a> of the land anymore, only expansion. This means that the United Nations have to take it into our hands to turn around the destruction.

4. To those who argue that The UN has no write to decide their environmental policies, I argue:
The earth does not care whether one nation owns this land and another owns this. Cutting billions trees in one nation affects a nation on the other side of the world. Furthermore, trees take in gasses that eat away at the already damaged ozone layer, and reduce the greenhouse affect that leads to global warming.

5. The cutting of rain forests leads to the infertility of the soil, as, in the rainforests, the soil is almost completely useless. The forest sustains itself by consuming the litter (dead matter) that falls from its canopies. Remove the trees and it takes almost four centuries for them to re-grow, making this a pointless waste of land and trees, as it is no good to anyone, tying to grow trees, crops, or whatever else in the dead soil-dust. The forests might as well remain the beautiful panicles of natural ecosystems that they are. The replanting trees resolution that is in effect is useless here, as it would take far TOO MUCH <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=money&v=54&src=zon">money</a> to do the proposed. Therefore, the rainforests must be left alone. Here's why: you cannot cut down the rainforest and then, effectively, replant it. There are two reasons: Rainforests require, at the minimum, 300 years to mature into full ecosystems. The <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=recovery&v=54&src=zon">recovery</a> rate is very, very slow, so even if you replant native trees, you're not going to benefit economically for a small eternity. Rainforest nutrients unlike temperate forests, prairies, or boreal forests, for example are almost exclusively held IN THE FLORA. In other words, when you cut down a portion of the rainforest, all the nutrients are gone from the soil. That's why slash-and-burn agriculture happens: because you only get one good crop out of the soil, and then it's depleted forever. As a result, you can't cut down the rainforest and replant native species, because the soil can no longer provide nutrients at that point.

Essentially, there's no "good way" to cut down rainforests. Forestry <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=management&v=54&src=zon">management</a>, and tree farming, however, are very effective counterparts fpr the forestry of the rain forests.
The rainforest cutting industries must, there fore, be replaced by tree farms.

Other types of forest (e.g. temperate forests, prairies, or boreal forests) can be effectively replanted, and so need to be replaced with forest farms on such a grand scale.

In conclusion, ALL nations need to pitch in and accept their individual responsibility to sustaining the environment, prevention of the greenhouse effect and global warming, prevention of ozone depletion, and keeping the world beautiful. One nation will have no overall effect on the environment, of the world, but the roughly 36000 in the UN just might...
We need to all pitch in and reduce the world emissions by that 60%! So vote yes and help save the forests and the environment!

Please help me make it better. To get my current s**t one deleted.

Thanks :D
Goobergunchia
16-02-2004, 18:52
Can't be done.

I would recommend lobbying against your resolution and get the word out that way.

~The Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia
Non-Moderator, but this just came up in another thread.

On Edit: 2. Even if it could be enforced, mods cannot remove a proposal from the floor of the UN. The best we can do is kill it while it's in the queue.
16-02-2004, 18:53
Goddamn :evil: Ho well. What doya all think of the rewrite. Critique please.
16-02-2004, 19:22
It's improving. I wonder if you mignt consider including more specific measures as to how nations are expected to go about this. Kyoto was premature. There is no standard methods for reporting air pollution so there is a question of reliable figures. P.S. Did you know that if trees are removed even within city areas that the temperature of those areas rises!
Tuesday Heights
16-02-2004, 19:35
Please, can we have this critique and debate in the UN forum where it belongs.
17-02-2004, 08:21
I'll go one better and move the thread there.
Mechanoids
17-02-2004, 08:28
This is better. However, please look over it again.

You used 'write' where you should have used 'right', for example.

For example, as an American, I have a 'right' to free speech, not a 'write' to free speech. Also, please don't include your links in your proposal when presenting it for proofing in this manner. By all means indicate that there WILL be a link there, and provide a listing of links at the bottom, but inclusion of the HTML linkage code make certain parts of your document difficult to read.
17-02-2004, 09:25
If you want to cut down all the trees The Colony of Insane Goalies demands free toliet paper
17-02-2004, 09:44
Advice noted. The above was rather random... :roll:
Emperor Matthuis
17-02-2004, 12:08
Advice noted. The above was rather random... :roll:


Just a bit
17-02-2004, 14:20
after the recent resolutions, the dictatorship of A.C.M. (as well as most of the countries in it's regions) have abandoned the UN.
There is no control in the kind of proposals are made, there is no respect on it's implications and most of all, no respect for the UN members.
what will be next? one of this days a meaningless proposal that states "all national governments will be dissolved and the UN will from now on control all activity in it's members" will achieve quorum and afterwards, will be aproved becoming a resolution?

the UN, as they appear in this game, are ridiculous and need serious reformulation and better control.
17-02-2004, 14:28
after the recent resolutions, the dictatorship of A.C.M. (as well as most of the countries in it's regions) have abandoned the UN.
There is no control in the kind of proposals are made, there is no respect on it's implications and most of all, no respect for the UN members.
what will be next? one of this days a meaningless proposal that states "all national governments will be dissolved and the UN will from now on control all activity in it's members" will achieve quorum and afterwards, will be aproved becoming a resolution?

the UN, as they appear in this game, are ridiculous and need serious reformulation and better control.

Yip :wink: .
Imminent Deletion
17-02-2004, 14:58
To those who argue that The UN has no write to decide their environmental policies, I argue:
The earth does not care whether one nation owns this land and another owns this.

I already told you that this is NationStates Earth, meaning:
1. Environmental irresponsibility has no negative effect on industry. Ever. At the moment.
2. What your nation does has no effect whatsoever on anyone else.

In any case, the only nation of my eighty-something polluters you'll affect is a single U.N. puppet. :)
Myrth
17-02-2004, 15:02
I would imagine that the admin can edit the resolution when it is up for vote.

Provided you don't change the conditions of it, and only improve wording, spelling, grammer etc. the admin may be willing.

admin(at)nationstates.net
17-02-2004, 15:11
On Edit: Enodia the Game Moderator wrote:
2. Even if it could be enforced, mods cannot remove a proposal from the floor of the UN. The best we can do is kill it while it's in the queue.

Question: Why the **** didn't they?
17-02-2004, 16:11
On Edit: Enodia the Game Moderator wrote:
2. Even if it could be enforced, mods cannot remove a proposal from the floor of the UN. The best we can do is kill it while it's in the queue.

Question: Why the **** didn't they?

Lord of The Isles didn't want it deleted until he noticed everyone was voting on it. Everyone should shoot this down. Vote against it and such.
17-02-2004, 16:39
Well if the lord hath spoken, we have no choice but to reject this proposal. To be honest, the German and French delegates had already voted to reject this before they read this topic.
17-02-2004, 16:45
It is not your proposal eny more. If people like it, they're going to do it.
17-02-2004, 17:30
I know. Please, tell me, can I improve my revision, if so, how? :?:
Geletic
17-02-2004, 17:49
You all give the UN to much power. It is not a government! It is a meeting place. The UN has no right to tell a nation how its economy must work!.

The Holy Republic of Geletic has strick environmental laws, however we believe that we have no right to impose our morals on the world, so long as the other nations give us the same right, or are not hurting their people or those of other nations directly.

We will oppose your resolution no matter how you write it.
17-02-2004, 17:51
You all give the UN to much power. It is not a government! It is a meeting place. The UN has no right to tell a nation how its economy must work!.

The Holy Republic of Geletic has strick environmental laws, however we believe that we have no right to impose our morals on the world, so long as the other nations give us the same right, or are not hurting their people or those of other nations directly.

We will oppose your resolution no matter how you write it.

THE FIRST STRAIGHT ANSWER I have got on this thread so far. Glad to know definitivly what you think. Everyone else please give me your opinions.
Revistan
17-02-2004, 19:42
If the UN had this much power in real life it wouldn't have any nations in it! This is what everyone fears the EU turning into! :shock:
Ecopoeia
17-02-2004, 19:54
Ecopoeia
17-02-2004, 19:57
*Steps out of character*

No, my concerns with the EU are:

a) that it appears to have appalling accountancy practices,
b) that the European peoples simply aren't ready for political union,
c) that it follows a very capitalist agenda,
d) that it is not currently democratically accountable.

Anyway, please think a little less parochially - not everyone is fearing the EU...

I like the strength of this UN. I wish the real UN were strong enough and courageous enough to really make a difference. The problem with it is its accountability (see point d) above).
17-02-2004, 20:31
Yip. :wink: