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Cloning Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: GEORGE BUSH IS AWESOME

Description: Many nations now have the technology and the capability to clone living creatures. Cloning can be useful for studying animals and plants. It can also be used in Stem-Cell Technology, which provides important information, and possibly cures, for many diseases. However useful cloning may be, it is not right to clone human beings. This is a serious violation of human rights. Let it be RESOLVED that no cloning of human beings be allowed. Cloning of animals, plants, and stem cells will be allowed. Human beings shall be defined as a growing baby in a mothers womb all the way past birth to death. In this time period, no cloning will be allowed. In stem cell research, no cells will be allowed to start to grow into a fetus.

Voting Ends: Wed Feb 18 2004

Please support this proposal for the good of the human race.

The Peoples Republic of Universal Socialism, cannot endorse this proposal unless exeptions are made for national heroes and world leaders, such that the continuation of the global struggle for socialist revolution may be maintained!

This is a serious proposal. Not a joke. This is about human rights, not the cloning of socialist dictators.

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The NeoPhyrexian Empire moves to oppose this resolution. It is only through science that we better ourselves - outlawing cloning like this cuts off a major explorative route which could give many benefits to all humans in the future.

You are suggesting that we do not allow ourselves to developa further understanding of ourselves.

But scientific advancing in the field of Stem Cell Researching is would be allowed. Why compromise Human Rights for science when you could still advance science by Stem Cell Technology. And not every scientific field has been pursued if it is known that it would violate human rights.

(OOC: I'm completely impartial on this subject, but I'm just trying to level the moral playing field here with this argument.)

When you state that it would be against Human Rights for one to be cloned, well, what if the person desires to be cloned? Is it really our right to deny a person that wish? Also, it has been stated by many that, while a clone may be genetically identical to the original being, it would still be a completely different individual, as it would not have the exact same experiences/memories as the original being.

Thank you for your time.

first of all not all socialistic governments are dictators, hell evin not al communits governmetns are dictators, and just a quick question for the person who started this forum (i will not say his name for personal political reasons) are you from more of a southern aria? but to the subject at hand, i think that the only problem with cloning, is the uses of it. if people will start making clone armies, strate out of star wars, then no we should not continue clone reserch. but say, a man has fatal cancer in his head, prostrate,and lungs. we might be able to clone his body, then move his brain/conshes/soul into the new bodie. banning it altogether for religos reasons, or human rights reasons are bothe flawed. religos reasons are rediculas because we can not let the beleaf of some people let scientific progress grind to a halt. if we did what religos people said we should do, then the whole world would be praying 24 7, we would still be in the dark ages, crusading, America undescovered, beleaving that the world was flat, and all that other blasfomy. I am not saying that religon is bad, i am saying we should not let it get in the way.for human rights reason. why do you care if some other guy wants a copy of him or herself. thats saying that i cant eat mcdonnalds, couse it's bad for me then shooting me if i did. it's like taking to court someone who crashed into your frends car, while he dosent want to. you get my point

you get my point
Please make friends with the concept of paragraphs to separate ideas, Roprotiasm. Posts like this are almost impossible to decipher. Then again, the rambling subject changing from religion to McDonalds to automobile accidents may mean that you didn't actually have a point.


Human beings shall be defined as a growing baby in a mothers womb all the way past birth to death. In this time period, no cloning will be allowed.
GBIA, there is a whole lot of controvery about this concept, and this line in your proposal does nothing to clarify it. Failing to define where the "group of cells" becomes a "baby" makes the whole thing moot, in my opinion. One side will claim "baby" starts at conception, the other will claim that it happens at first breath, and the majority of the world falls somwhere in the middle.

Until this is defined and accepted, neither this nor the various abortion proposals will be defined, enforceable, or ready for a vote. And we'd STILL vote no, because we think this is not an international decision. It belongs on the national level, or even lower.


By the way, there are advanced-tech nations in NS who depend on cloned labor already. I have no idea if they are in the UN, but I'll bet they'd find this proposal intrusive. You need to keep in mind that not everyone in the world of NationStates shares the same problems or issues with that other world people keep going on about.

Fresbeeteria: you are correct in the point where we have to seporate our topics, my appoligies. i have a trouble doing this due to sertain personal problems, but will work on it
one thing you must reolise is though jumbled, the micdonnalds, and the car crashes and all the other stuff did relait.

Cloning research is approved of in my nation. Forcing religious dogma and morals upon my nation's people is not.

Cloning research is approved of in my nation. Forcing religious dogma and morals upon my nation's people is not.
i whole hartedly agree

There is not much difference between cloning a heart, kidney, stem cells, or other organs and cloing a human being. This ban limits the medical research in ways that are completely unacceptable. Cloning organs for transplant, cloning cells for research and drug testing, and other avenues of research along those lines are legal in Shirresh based on donor consent. We will not support any ban on this activity based on Christian moral values.

I do not see the point of this proposal. The Empire of Darkmentia will not endorse, support, or in any way act positive towards this proposal. Cloning is simply science, and in our belief cloning is incredibly useful. It can be used in organ donations, preventing the unnessecary lose of life of generous people. It can be used to create armies, thus no real innocent people will be hurt in wars. It can be used to preserve genes, and people for future lifespan and use, namely, it allows morality deprived dictators such as the Controller of Darkmentia to rule their country indefinitably. Now, Darkmentia is lacking in this technology, but it hopes to accquire it, and this bill wouldn't even give us that chance.

Accept it: Cloning is here, and it's not going to leave. If you are concerned about the ethical issues of cloning what you should do is make a proposal based on CLONE RIGHTS, and whether entire cloned individuals have rights. If you want to stop the cloning of individuals, then launch a proposal against CLONING INDIVIDUALS but leave organ cloning or animal cloning as legal. Of course, Darkmentia would never support the second suggested bill, but it is a suggestion.

As it is now, your current proposal gives me no good reason why cloning is bad, it just seems to say "it's wrong because God said so" which I find extremely insulting.

i am strongly against this proposal, for my nation is developing a very necessary commodity for all evil dictatorships that involves the use of human cloning.

Maybe you should also start a separate bill arguing what "defines a human being" before simply declaring it in this proposal, eh?

The Empire of Shinkar Prime opposes this movement, and furthermore vows to not only pursue the cloning of stem cells, but the cloning of humanity, and the complete and total understanding and manipulation of the human genome.

We will protect this soverign right with any and all means necessessary.

"Cloning is a serious violation of human rights"

By what evidence do you come to this conclusion? What if, perhaps, a certain individual may WANT to be cloned? How then would it be a violation of their rights? You are simply trying to inflict your nation's views of morality upon other nations.

The Empire of Darkmentia would like to say driectly to GBIA that not only is forcing religious ideals upon others wrong, but it is also the cause of most wars...do you understand?

The chair adds that any debate on this proposal is moot, since it has been removed from the queue for poor categorisation.

The economy of my nation relies heavily on academic research and finding practical applications of technology for other countries. This proposal would not only cut out a large section of income from my nation's economy, but also send a number of our residents emigrating to non-UN countries.

For further arguments against this proposal, please see Frisbeeteria's response. Like usual, we share the same contempt for moralistic proposals, and anyone who seeks to infringe on national soveriengty.

Sincerely yours,
Daneil M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs

OK I have two things.
One, there are many nations that depend on the use of clones. This, like many proposals which have become resolution, will just end up making more people leave the UN. Also, it is a human's right to choose to be cloned or not.

Second on a more OOC note:
Roprotaism, please use correct grammer and spelling, as it is very annoying trying to figure your proposal.

Now, for a speach:
(Issued by Johnathan Texas)
In the world today, we are facing issues of both moral and scientific conflict. Whereas the in the current status of the world, we are moving more secular, and that these religious leaders are trying to state something as being "wrong" because it violates the particular religon. Also, where people are intruding on other people's lives as well as the government. We must reslove that these moral issues, like issues of what, ethically, is right or wrong, be stopped. Yes, they can have some non-moral background, but most of these are up for the nation's government to decide. This is why there have been people leaving the UN.

Now, cloning has become essential in many nations, UN and non-UN. In some nations, clones are soldiers. They use the clones to keep their people safe. They use them to make it so unneeded loss of life is prevented.

In others, they use clones for organ transplant. For example, they clone humans of rare blood/organ type in order to have some stores for them. In the ever-increasing population, the number people dying of rare diseases, with rare blood/organ types are increasing. Some nations have the clones as a way to save lives. You need to keep clones around.

And also, you are saying that it violates Human Rights. You don't even explain this. How are they violated, if not by the laws you wish to impose? Not only are you taking their right to choose, but you are taking away their right NOT to choose.

In the world today, the UN doesn't need to resolve about this. Nations of the WORLD already choose to clone humans or not. Only by doing this, are you making the efforts and money of cloning nations go to waste. Don't you see, we need cloning. It is here whether you like it or not.

Well, it doesn't matter. The UN has done the first smart thing in a while and closed down this crappy proposal.

Cloning research is approved of in my nation. Forcing religious dogma and morals upon my nation's people is not.

Well said. The Empire of NeoPhyrexia will continue its advanced research into cloning of nt only plants and animals, but of humans as well. I am sure that once we are reaping the benefits, the "opposition" will come crawling back to have their share of the spoils.

The fear of cloning can be likened (metaphorically) to a primitive culture fearing a radio since it seems to "speak". The fear and doubt stems from both lack of understanding and from indoctrination of values into the mind.

First of all, adressing all complaintes about my spelling and gramer, i appoligis, but it is difficult for me because of sertain problems that are not your bisnes, but i will try. Now to the suject at the matter.

Basicaly the two complaintes against cloning are it's agains human rights, and it's against the religon. The only problem is that bothe have bin adressed and shot down. why are we still discusing this? the thing that we should be discussing is the treatment of these here clones.

Cloning Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: GEORGE BUSH IS AWESOME

Description: Many nations now have the technology and the capability to clone living creatures. Cloning can be useful for studying animals and plants. It can also be used in Stem-Cell Technology, which provides important information, and possibly cures, for many diseases. However useful cloning may be, it is not right to clone human beings. This is a serious violation of human rights. Let it be RESOLVED that no cloning of human beings be allowed. Cloning of animals, plants, and stem cells will be allowed. Human beings shall be defined as a growing baby in a mothers womb all the way past birth to death. In this time period, no cloning will be allowed. In stem cell research, no cells will be allowed to start to grow into a fetus.

Voting Ends: Wed Feb 18 2004

My nation is opposed to your proposal.

Unlike many industrialized nations, many of the developing nations like the Confederation of Mikitivity rely upon sustainable development projects such as genetic research (we do not consume resources when we sell science) to make ends meet.

Unless your nation is willing to offset any losses, then my nation would consider the passage of any restriction on genetic research to be an act of war. Our recently initiated PsiCorps Program may seem a bit extreme to you, but if we can isolate and clone latent telepaths, then we could be looking at a scientific advancement that would make I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons to be childrens toys.

The Empire of NeoPhyrexia finds cloning and genetic experimentation to be highly beneficial in the military setting.

MSL wil not tolerate this abuse of our national animal, the Human Clone. It is a noble species, proud and representative of our people, and you would have us kill it off by depriving it of it's ability to procreate. This is an outrage, one for which we will not stand.

By what evidence do you come to this conclusion? What if, perhaps, a certain individual may WANT to be cloned? How then would it be a violation of their rights? You are simply trying to inflict your nation's views of morality upon other nations.

For the record, the Democratic States of Hirota did indeed make a proposal which incorporated the recognition that human consent was fundamental for any study of the genome...

In fact our achivists are looking into reposting the outline proposal right now....

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I fully oppose this resolution as I believe that cloning,if regulated accordingly following the laws of the country that the cloning is occuring in,should not do much harm.

I will not have the United Nations impose its will on my sovereign rights.If not,no joke here,I will declare war on the United Nations organisation as a whole.

ahhh...here we are. We have been emailed a revised draft proposal to submit for consideration....

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124883
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http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/hirota.jpgThe Democratic States of Hirota (DSH) (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=hirota)

The chair adds that any debate on this proposal is moot, since it has been removed from the queue for poor categorisation.
Good. May every bad proposal written by someone created to satire a major real world official, as a satire of a real world official meet a similar fate.

Vallostika propose a referendum to my people about the issue of cloning. When the results come in, Vallostika, in our postion of UN Delegate for Onfolkestonia, will decide whether or not to enforce cloning or not. We pride ourselves on our liberal outlook of life

Cloning Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: GEORGE BUSH IS AWESOME

Description: Many nations now have the technology and the capability to clone living creatures. Cloning can be useful for studying animals and plants. It can also be used in Stem-Cell Technology, which provides important information, and possibly cures, for many diseases. However useful cloning may be, it is not right to clone human beings. This is a serious violation of human rights. Let it be RESOLVED that no cloning of human beings be allowed. Cloning of animals, plants, and stem cells will be allowed. Human beings shall be defined as a growing baby in a mothers womb all the way past birth to death. In this time period, no cloning will be allowed. In stem cell research, no cells will be allowed to start to grow into a fetus.

Voting Ends: Wed Feb 18 2004

My nation is opposed to your proposal.

Unlike many industrialized nations, many of the developing nations like the Confederation of Mikitivity rely upon sustainable development projects such as genetic research (we do not consume resources when we sell science) to make ends meet.

Unless your nation is willing to offset any losses, then my nation would consider the passage of any restriction on genetic research to be an act of war. Our recently initiated PsiCorps Program may seem a bit extreme to you, but if we can isolate and clone latent telepaths, then we could be looking at a scientific advancement that would make I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons to be childrens toys.
Was this resubmitted?

Cloning Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: GEORGE BUSH IS AWESOME

Description: Many nations now have the technology and the capability to clone living creatures. Cloning can be useful for studying animals and plants. It can also be used in Stem-Cell Technology, which provides important information, and possibly cures, for many diseases. However useful cloning may be, it is not right to clone human beings. This is a serious violation of human rights. Let it be RESOLVED that no cloning of human beings be allowed. Cloning of animals, plants, and stem cells will be allowed. Human beings shall be defined as a growing baby in a mothers womb all the way past birth to death. In this time period, no cloning will be allowed. In stem cell research, no cells will be allowed to start to grow into a fetus.

Voting Ends: Wed Feb 18 2004

My nation is opposed to your proposal.

Unlike many industrialized nations, many of the developing nations like the Confederation of Mikitivity rely upon sustainable development projects such as genetic research (we do not consume resources when we sell science) to make ends meet.

Unless your nation is willing to offset any losses, then my nation would consider the passage of any restriction on genetic research to be an act of war. Our recently initiated PsiCorps Program may seem a bit extreme to you, but if we can isolate and clone latent telepaths, then we could be looking at a scientific advancement that would make I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons to be childrens toys.
Was this resubmitted?