NationStates Jolt Archive

If you look at item number 10 of the proposal it contradicts it all don't pass it. Reject it if your smart.

How on earth does #10 contradict the rest of the proposal?

I see your point. Clause 10 allows the defendant to waive any of the rights in clauses 1 to 9. Therefore, the defendant can refuse to allow the public or the media to view proceedings, etc. He could also waive the right to a speedy and efficient trial!! :shock:
Either this resolution needs to be amended or it shouldn't be passed.

Yes this is a mockary, it doesn't even allow right of appeal!

This resolution is totally unacceptable. Trials are public affairs (unless children are involved etc) it should not be decided on the grounds of whether the defendant consents to them being so! On these grounds alone the resolution should be rejected.

Yes this is a mockary, it doesn't even allow right of appeal!
Neither does it deny your right of appeal.

Does the UN have to do all your lawmaking for you, or are you capable of adding clauses to your own laws to cover the lack? You cannot hold the UN accountable for your failure to create laws to protect your citizens. That's your job.

Stop your whining about what isn't there. Deal with what is.

OOC: Ahh! You've got it all wrong!

IC:
The right to something means that you can demand the thing if you do not have it. In this context, it would mean that if you do not recieve the appropriate conditions, you can refuse to take part in the trial.

Article 10 gives the right to wave your rights. This means, for instance, if you don't get a speedy and efficient trial, you dont have to demand it, and by not doing so, you are waving the the right.

If you are arrested, and a police officer says "you have the right to remain silent," you can say whatever you want, thus waving your right to remain silent. However, your doing this doesnt mean that they can then toruture you and force you to speak if you choose not to answer a question.

I hope this clarrifies the situation better,

Yngwie malmsteen,
Nibbleton UN Ambassador

If you do not wish this passed, go to the list of delegates voting for it and talk to them, get them to talk to their regions. I know I have been doing this and indeed have swayed over fifty votes that were for the resolution to being against it and I am still working.

There are some delegates that will not vote against it unless the sponsor released them to do so and so we need to appeal to him to change things as well. Bad laws pass if we do not actively work to oppose them.

It is the duty of us to sway the votes not just here in the forums where many or most do not listen but within each region by swaying the regional delegate to campaign in his or her region.

If you do not wish this passed, go to the list of delegates voting for it and talk to them, get them to talk to their regions.
Shirresh, I applaud your sincerity, but you're fighting a losing battle. You aren't going to turn a 12000 to 6000 vote around in 12 hours or less.

I've said this before, and I'll continue to say it - the time for a telegram campaign is when the proposal is in the List Proposals view. If you wait until it hits the voting floor, you've already lost.

It it the Duty of active UN members and forum readers to keep up with the proposals and read them carefully. If a proposal is anywhere near quorum, a few well placed telegrams can prevent a bad bill from reaching the floor. Once it's reached quorum, it's almost impossible to remove.