Support Marriage in the UN
To further the Internationale's goal of ending authoritarianism, The People's Republic of Zainfidel has just authored a UN proposal to permit marriage.
The proposal runs as follows, and I urge all UN Regional Delegates to support it so that it gains the debate and vote it deserves.
"PERMIT MARRIAGE
Whereas we hold that human beings are born equal and each entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...
Whereas the harmless desires of some have been curtailed because of the intolerance of others...
The United Nations guarantees that any two people mutually wishing to spend their lives together may have their relationship recognized and accepted by their government.
The United Nations guarantees that all legal benefits derived from marriage shall be accrued to said couple."
are you talking about the NS UN i guess?
are you talking about the NS UN i guess?
yes. the proposal is titled "Permit Marriage" and you can search for it by that title in the Nation States UN.
Smeagol-Gollum
13-02-2004, 11:35
"Any two people" ....so, I guess paedophila, bigamy, necropphilia and incest are just dandy, eh??
As for support marriage in general ....why, do you believe that misery loves company??
I was thinking of issuing a general warning about marriage, but what the hell, no bastard warned me....
"Any two people" ....so, I guess paedophila, bigamy, necropphilia and incest are just dandy, eh??
*Waves* Hi, I'm John Marat, I'm here in the UN because Albion has plenty of janitors already. I would like to point out that the proposal says 'mutually'. That leaves out paedophillia because children are not in a position to make informed consent. That also leave out necrophilia because one of the partners is dead. Incest...yep, I guess it leaves incest in. Good news if you have a monarchy eh?
Still, I have to say that this is not so an important issue that it should come to the UN. It's not really international either and its an issue that kinda comes up 'in game'. But thanks for taking time out to share. ^_^
You've been great, I've been John Marat, thanks for listening. ^_^
Sophista
13-02-2004, 12:43
The representative from Sophista has unfortunately left his microphone on at a rather inopportune moment. Just as the other representative finishes announcing his proposal, Mr. Hillaker sneezes quite loudly, muttering "soveriegnty on domesti moral issues" before recovering from the tremendous affair.
Frisbeeteria
13-02-2004, 13:39
Support Marriage in the UN
Marriage in the UN? Who are the lucky couple? Do we need to bring a gift? What about a guest? Is it a sit-down dinner, or just drinks and hors d'oeuvres?
We'll have to check our calendars.
the non UN member state of Marcelonia proposes the UN members follow suit with Marcelonia's decree on the sanctity of marriage constituting of 1 male human of legal age and 1 female human of legal age. Anyone wishing to marry should ask permission from the government who will weigh your case and then appoint your partner (when applicable).
All other forms of marriage are punishable by firing squad.
Woah, shouts the Bahgum delegation. We feel that our married couples have enough to deal with (e.g. mothers in law, lifetime repayment of debt for wedding days etc) without governments taking an interest in them too. Bahgum is wise enought to admit that once a government starts noticing something then they sort of feel obliged to mess around with it every year or so. Do you really want that?
Woah, shouts the Bahgum delegation. We feel that our married couples have enough to deal with (e.g. mothers in law, lifetime repayment of debt for wedding days etc) without governments taking an interest in them too. Bahgum is wise enought to admit that once a government starts noticing something then they sort of feel obliged to mess around with it every year or so. Do you really want that?
In principle, I agree wholeheartedly. Why do we have legal marriage at all? Do human beings need the government to sanction their love? Do they need a church? Can they not just express their love on their own terms?
However, a proposal to ban governmental recognition of marriage is not likely to garner any support. In addition, because the government is involved in recognizing marriage, it should at least extend its recognition to anyone who wants to participate in the institution. Just as the government cannot deny the institution of public education to anyone who requests it, so they cannot deny access to the legal institution of marriage.
Goobergunchia
13-02-2004, 16:50
We have no objection per se to this proposal. However, we would recall a resolution previously adopted by this body, to wit:
Gay Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Kundu
Description: WHEREAS it has been clearly witnessed there is an outspoken minority who wish to oppress gays. We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations.
Votes For: 12705
Votes Against: 7734
Implemented: Sat May 3 2003
Ergo, we find this proposal to be unnecessary.
Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Retired UN Delegate
The representative from Sophista has unfortunately left his microphone on at a rather inopportune moment. Just as the other representative finishes announcing his proposal, Mr. Hillaker sneezes quite loudly, muttering "soveriegnty on domesti moral issues" before recovering from the tremendous affair.
Unfortunately, Sophista, this is not a moral issue. It is a legal issue. It is a question of denying certain groups from participating in a legal institution. It says nothing about religion, it says nothing about morals. No demands are made on any individual or group. The proposal simply allows for anyone who wishes to marry to have that relationship legally recognized. If it were a moral issue, your criticism would be justified.
Still, I have to say that this is not so an important issue that it should come to the UN. It's not really international either and its an issue that kinda comes up 'in game'.
This issue, if we count the homosexual community alone, affects at least 10% of the world population. That would total approximately 600 million people worldwide. The UN has intervened when smaller populations were adversely affected.
There are many issues addressed "in game" that should be addressed universally. The UN established basic rights and liberties, yet these questions are asked daily "in game". I do not see that the UN's protection of these rights as a contradiction.
Greenspoint
13-02-2004, 19:15
This proposal seems to be defining an issue that's been previously defined by the U.N., and The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint see no need for this issue to be raised again.
James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs
This issue, if we count the homosexual community alone, affects at least 10% of the world population. That would total approximately 600 million people worldwide. The UN has intervened when smaller populations were adversely affected.
There are many issues addressed "in game" that should be addressed universally. The UN established basic rights and liberties, yet these questions are asked daily "in game". I do not see that the UN's protection of these rights as a contradiction.
You know what, I did kinda use some innacurate language when I trying to get my point across, I'm terribly sorry about that. No Albion does care about the rights of the gay community and believe that the state should keep the hell out of affairs like this. If 2 or even 200 people want to marry each other and if they're able to consent as adults, as far as Albion is concerned, they can!
As far as gay marriage is concerned, the UN already covers it in the gay rights proposal, but we also argue that article Article 4 of the universal bill of rights covers it too:
-- All human beings have the right to be treated equally under the law of any member nation.
Which we would take to mean, if a man and a woman can get married, then so can two women or two men. So the UN does grant protection already.
^_^