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With the rapid development of clone technology, we are fast approaching a situation where the cloning of a human being is possible, for whatever reason. We should like a debate on the topic to see if any UN members feel, as we do, this issue is worthy of beoing regulated by UN jurisdiction. Any views?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is an issue. It's an issue because it's a national affair that's quite capable of being handled at a national level. You intend making a proposal that says one thing when issues let you decide the complete opposite?

What relevance does it have to international stability and security anyhow? No wait, I don't actually care what you think, just stick with the first part about it having nothing to do with the UN because it's already a national issue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is an issue. It's an issue because it's a national affair that's quite capable of being handled at a national level. You intend making a proposal that says one thing when issues let you decide the complete opposite?


I think the stated intention was for a debate:

We should like a debate on the topic to see if any UN members feel, as we do, this issue is worthy of beoing regulated by UN jurisdiction. Any views?

The speaker did not, as far as I can gather, intend to rush ahead with a proposal. If it is a debate you are after then it is not entirely without merit, I believe that cloning, in some circumstances, could have global effects. It rather depends on the implementation.

However, I must agree with Gigglealia: it would cause an untenable paradox if a UN position was to conflict with a local issue. All the same, thank you for taking the time to discuss issues with us here at the UN. With so many rude and terse characters waiting to shoot down ever utterence that UN members make, it is very a brave thing to do.

You've been great, I've been John Marat, thanks for listening. ^_^

Bah, I made a proposal concerning control of the human genome which covered this...the jist of it being that it was down to the induvidual to allow cloning etc etc
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Of course, this is not a proposal at all. I am as fed up as everyone with UN proposals that infringe on national sovereignty. However, the empiric provenbces hopes soon to submit the question as an issue to be considered by all nations within their own jurisdiction. the disscussion was intended to provide us with some ideas and opinions of the varying governmental systems within the UN. And we don't care if you did put a proposal, the issue is renewed with new technology becoming available.

And we don't care if you did put a proposal, the issue is renewed with new technology becoming available.

not really, the core of the issue is (and always has been, and always will be) morality, and that never changes regardless of if they have found another way to mess with mother nature or not.
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I disagree.

What if the new technology were able to clone humans and ensure they were soulless, emotionless, felt no pain, and could not think for themselves?

Would it still be a moral issue?

I'm not decided on the cloning issue. What if organs etc could be cloned and used for transplants? Surely this is a huge benefit? But then again...hmm. It's a nasty issue, this.

Ursula Kohl
Speaker for Health & Medical Issues

With the rapid development of clone technology, we are fast approaching a situation where the cloning of a human being is possible, for whatever reason. We should like a debate on the topic to see if any UN members feel, as we do, this issue is worthy of beoing regulated by UN jurisdiction. Any views?

It is rare that my government feels passionate enough about a subject to warrant this: But should this body ENFORCE a decision to restrict Mikitivity's genetic research programs, the Confederation would be forced to leave the United Nations.

Here is why this discussion is completely unfair. Not only is the taboo of genetic research a product of misguided and dated religions, but industrialized nations built their solid economic base on consumption of nonrenewable environmental resources. Being a developing nation, we can't and are unwilling to spoil our physical resources in order to achieve the same standard of living as the industrialized nations of the world.

However, in addition to the modest [color=blue]Spice Melange[color] harvesting operations in the Klatuu, Barada, and Nitko provinces, Miervatian genetic research (including work to enhance the latent human telepathic genes) is a vital part of our economy. More importantly, our genetic research IS our defence research as well. It should be obvious that an army of telepaths and transhumans is far better equipped for combat than simple homo sapiens.

Unless a ban proposal includes very weak language or exceptions for developing nations, I can promise this body that any ban on human cloning would meet the strongest resistance (*cough* and in all forms) from my Confederation.

Sustainable development includes the creation of new markets and services that do not result in destruction. The idea to limit that natural progress of human and biological evolution is not only a CRIME against societies that wish to evolve, but a CRIME against the scientific evolution of the human race.

Bear in mind, this does not imply that should full humans be cloned, that they are not entitled to the same liberties as womb bred humans. Rather the opposite: clones (homo sapiens or transhumans) will be integrated into our society just the same as everybody else.