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I may be a member of the United Nations, but that doesn't mean that I should be forced to go along with democracy. I am a Dictator, and I rule my people with an iron fist and I should be aloud to. I don't want a court system in my nation, I determine who should live and who should die :twisted: . So quit trying to rule my nation for me and tell me I have to turn over to democracy! The United Nations is an alliance, not a ruling body that tells nations want form of Government they should have. SO WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Democracy is too inefficient, therefore ineffective. It's billions of voices all screaming to be heard.

Hi, I'm John Marat, can I patronise you for a few moments? Thanks ^_^ Now, Entoc, this is the second time that you have made this statement, and the arguments haven't changed yet. Let me ask you, did you read the resolutions that had been passed already before you joined up? Did you see that joining up meant having to follow the self rule resolution? You see if you saw that, and went ahead and joined anyway, then nothing was pushed on you! You said, yes! I have seen the resolutions on gay rights, labour unions, on health care, and I see that these resolutions will in fact impede my right to rule my nation with an iron fist, what the hell!

And yet now, here you are complaining! Twice! So come on buddies, hey, hey, turn that frown upside down, eh? You are being pushed into nothing, everything was laid right in front of you for you to see. You get given a vote and a voice and those two things mean that you get to tell my nation what it can and can't do, in return for me having the same. At any point you don't like it you can always get out. Okay? Okay. ^_^

Thanks, its been an experience! ^_^

I agree with you whole heartedly comrade. Democracy has never been successfully executed, and it is down right absurd.

Hi, I'm John Marat, can I patronise you for a few moments? Thanks ^_^ Now, Entoc, this is the second time that you have made this statement, and the arguments haven't changed yet. Let me ask you, did you read the resolutions that had been passed already before you joined up? Did you see that joining up meant having to follow the self rule resolution? You see if you saw that, and went ahead and joined anyway, then nothing was pushed on you! You said, yes! I have seen the resolutions on gay rights, labour unions, on health care, and I see that these resolutions will in fact impede my right to rule my nation with an iron fist, what the hell!

And yet now, here you are complaining! Twice! So come on buddies, hey, hey, turn that frown upside down, eh? You are being pushed into nothing, everything was laid right in front of you for you to see. You get given a vote and a voice and those two things mean that you get to tell my nation what it can and can't do, in return for me having the same. At any point you don't like it you can always get out. Okay? Okay. ^_^

Thanks, its been an experience! ^_^

I' like this guy, normally I despise commie's, but I'd snort back the vodka with this guy anytime.

If you really want to see an end to the UN's insistence on democracy then have your regional delegate support the proposal UN Charter.

We prefer consensus to democracy. All decisons are unanimous, as determined by a tribal leader after exhaustive consultations with all clans and septs. It is a system not at all efficient, but wonderfully effective.
Whatever decision are reached, eventually, painfully, have the united support of the entire society.

Real democracy, not the representative democracy stuff people push, is great. Dctatorships are large corporations focused on land and power rather than profit.

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My country is ruled by one person. ME!. And I have advisors, Pablo, Jose and Bob. They are the voices in my head that tell me what to do and say.

Don't you just love insanity.

The theocracy of Shirresh understands that true democracy is often oppression of the minority by the majority and that all forms of democracy and republic suffer from what is known as 'Bread and circus politics' in that the masses vote for the one that promises them the most food and entertainment and not necessarily the ones that will make the hard decisions.

With this in mind, the theocracy beleives in a church appointed benevolent dictator. The high witch rules until he is diagnosed by multiple doctors with a mental illness, disease that affects the mental processes or starts to show signs of age affecting mental functioning by way of forgetting. At this point the church elders appoint a replacement that is most qualified to carry out the church's ideal of "an it harm none, do what thou will." while fulfilling the basic needs of the business of governing. We do have local elections for the school boards so that we are in compliance with the United Nations doctrine of elections on some level.

A "benvolent" dictator is the oppression of the majority by the minority.

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A good idea, put it in the UN to vote on, or maybe I will, governments should chooses what kind of rule they inforce.

once again, we would like to advocate the creation of an Anti comintern pact to oppose the "crazed" UN policies. We call upon all good nations to withdraw from the UN and it's policies.

Real democracy, not the representative democracy stuff people push, is great.

How can you make such a foolish statement? "Real" democracy has never been performed. There has not been one example of a total democracy (note: If you say ancient Athens was a democracy, you are poorly mistaken), therefore you cannot favor it. Besides, if you are opposed to "democracy stuff people push" (meaning left-wing capitalism) you would absolutely despise authentic democracy. Who lets these imbeciles post?!?

Rebeland>> So, the people are not "allowed" to "favor" a given political doctrine just because it has never achieven totality in real life?

You can consider the anarchists imbeciles all you want, that does not change our conviction: Freedom and Equality for All.

Entoc>> Well.... Fuck all government. You may think you have got it right, but all governors are fascists.

You think you have the right to do what you want... That you have, but you only have it as long as you torment no one else.

Libertad, anarchia total.

/AC and Neo-Anarchos' player, Tias..

How can you make such a foolish statement? "Real" democracy has never been performed. There has not been one example of a total democracy (note: If you say ancient Athens was a democracy, you are poorly mistaken), therefore you cannot favor it. Besides, if you are opposed to "democracy stuff people push" (meaning left-wing capitalism) you would absolutely despise authentic democracy. Who lets these imbeciles post?!?

Left wing capitalism? That is the most contradictory concept ever. I don't base my ideas on ancient Greece. Authentic democracy doesn't favor the rich or powerful.

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I personaly am a recently joined socialistic government, and reolise the danger of a government that fails horibly, just look at comunism, (socialism and communism are different, look it up) it relied on human work moral, and since it is human nature to do as little work as possible, it failed, but then if you go with a demorcracy, people who are compleat idiots get there way, in a dictatership it is all to easy for the dictater to be a sycotic imbesul. socialsm is probebly falty to, (though in my opinion the least faulty, each to his own) the tax rates being so high limet the person spending of money, and object freedom, some might say that the sacrifise is to big fro the results. so the question is, which one works? in reality none of them work. the human race is flawed, we just have to get along with what we have. the key is moderation, and detailes. if you are to strongly inforsing your government type you get the probeblems i listed, lastly details, if you are in a geographic aria where you have very little resorses you must share, so communism, or socialism might work, if you are in a larg nation with man different oppionions, it would not work to do a democracy due to so many different oppions. you get the point, thaks for lettin me rave.

Democracy is the main government policy in the world today. It will not be abolished by the UN, for the UN in-of-itself is a democratic body. Simple as that.

That is a point, Tuesday Heights, but do you consider Democratic Legitimacy(The belief that Democracy is basically the best thing for humans) a truth?

Does the socalled democratic legitimacy not just consist of taking the primitive idea of "the majority is right" to a much higher level and wrapping it into nice phrases and talk of doing good?

I myself is not sure. It seems like it sometimes.

YES! I agree! All of the UN proposals for the past....as long as I can remember have been telling countries how to run themselves! How rulers must be fair and just! They say that if we don't like it, we can leave the UN! Horseshit! I say we need a new voice in the UN! A new majority! Supporting the proud and the unfree! The UN never votes on important issues, now does it?? Issues of international concern? NO! It just sits on its ass and tells us that we have to treat psychotic murderers the same as everyone else under our rule! Screw that! I AM a psychotic murderer and I tell you that we are NOT the same as everyone else! IF ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THEN WHY ARE SOME BORN 12 POUNDS 3 INCHES, WHILE OTHERS ARE BORN 3 POUNDS 12 INCHES???? I say LONG LIVE DICATORSHIP! LONG LIVE EVIL! AND DOWN WITH DEMOCRACY!!!

first of all, darkmenia is insane. you do reolise this is a game right, ummmm right? any ways i was not proposing a demolishing of democrasy, i was just pointing out flaws in all human government typs. the problem is'nt the governments it's the people.

All systems are deeply flawed. Human greed corrupts them all, no matter hpw noblr the initial goals are. Communism, who's goal is to create euality, harmony, and peace, is hijacked by despots like Stalin, democracy turns into tyrany of the majority, or cleaver or rich politions brainwash people and trick the majority of the populance. It's not the systems that are flawed, it's the humans who execute them. No government is fair or right, but anarchy isn't the answer, for obvious reason. It's like your screwed eather way. Socialism can be taken advantage of by lazy people, capitalism can be taken advantage of by lazy people, anarchy can be taken advantage of by lazy people. It best thing to do is try to teach altruism and comunity from an early age. Communism and socialism attemt to do this, but as I said earlyer, they can be taken advantage of. I believe that religion can play a big part in makeing the world a better place, but even this can be corrupted by humanity. Just look at the 5 crusades into the Holy Land, religious purging in Iberia, France, and Eastern Europe, and that's just one religion, in one small part of the world, at one period of time.

It seems that humanity is, in a word, screwed. There has to be an answer somewhere, but I haven't found it, and I don't think anyone else has, eather.

But back to the origonal thing, yea, the UN has gotten WAY to pushy and invasive.

while for the moste part i agree with you irate pirates, socialism and communism work on a small scale. look at the isralie kibuts. those work because if you donte do your work you dont eat, or you donte sleep, because usualy it is only you and ten other people harvesting the food, or cleaning the living corders. it is'nt punishment it's your fault. now to the part where id otne agree with you. religonis not the answer. for you to call the crusades good is like calling ww2 a good clensing of the world. the crusades were politicaly based invations with religon as a front. it would be better to compare it with the extremist islamic factions that hold there jhads agains america, only without a sinsear religos beleaf behind them. they fought some of the moste advansed nations of there time and called them barbarions. it was them who were the barbarions. religon is deffinitly not the anser because religon requires firm beleaf from every one. the only way to get that is brain washing. i am not slandering religon. one of my motto's is each to his own, but religon is not for every one. there will always be people for me who beleav in science, and every thing we cannot explain is just a new type of science we donte understand yet. if i continue i might offend some people, so i will stop. just to make shure thought, that is my personal beleaf. i am not saying that what you might think is rong, and that i am compleatly right, it is just my personal beleaf.

How can anyone seriously advocate a dictatorship?

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some one can advocate a dictatorship if that nation is compleatly insane, down to the last kid. if a good and just person comes into power and sets up a dictator ship, he/she can controll those people maby changing them. this theory is ovcourse so hypothetical, it's not evin funny, and it is also not possible. thats just the only way to advocate a dictatorship

Because one educated person whose motivation and rewards is the good of others surrounded by expert advisors for knowledge in each field can make decisions perhaps better than more effectively than any committee.

Democracy is also very easily swayed by the masses and charismatic Demagogues. Mass media can control election and sway voters. Republican forms of government are not much better being as those nominated to vote for the government are those loyal to the charismatic leader.

A meritocracy is a near ideal form of government but once you find the right person to lead and make decisions you need to give them the power to make those decisions as hard as they might sometimes seem to the population. While he rules, you work on finding and training his replacement so that when he retiires, there is a capable executive to replace.

Because one educated person whose motivation and rewards is the good of others surrounded by expert advisors for knowledge in each field can make decisions perhaps better than more effectively than any committee.

Democracy is also very easily swayed by the masses and charismatic Demagogues. Mass media can control election and sway voters. Republican forms of government are not much better being as those nominated to vote for the government are those loyal to the charismatic leader.

A meritocracy is a near ideal form of government but once you find the right person to lead and make decisions you need to give them the power to make those decisions as hard as they might sometimes seem to the population. While he rules, you work on finding and training his replacement so that when he retiires, there is a capable executive to replace.

Because one educated person whose motivation and rewards is the good of others surrounded by expert advisors for knowledge in each field can make decisions perhaps better than more effectively than any committee.

Democracy is also very easily swayed by the masses and charismatic Demagogues. Mass media can control election and sway voters. Republican forms of government are not much better being as those nominated to vote for the government are those loyal to the charismatic leader.

A meritocracy is a near ideal form of government but once you find the right person to lead and make decisions you need to give them the power to make those decisions as hard as they might sometimes seem to the population. While he rules, you work on finding and training his replacement so that when he retiires, there is a capable executive to replace.

the problem with meritocrasy is simelar to democracy, who is chosen, and how they are trained can be controlled, so that you could end up with a compleat puppet in the end

How can anyone seriously advocate a dictatorship?

Isn't a true democracy a dictatorship? In a true democracy, even a 49.9% 'minority' has absolutely no voice, (just as in the UN), and the majority's will is law.

*ugh! huunff! whuuff!*

I keep trying to push this democracy thing but can never get it to start running.
Maybe if we pointed it downhill and put it in second gear? :wink:

sorry collaberation, that one failed horribly

Apparently none of you have ever heard of oligarchial collectivism.

Nope tell us about it

2 things.
1. You want your government to be a Dictatorship, but you are opposed to the UN being a dictatorship, or at least strong.
2. You dont have to be a UN member