NationStates Jolt Archive

The Free Land of The Lone Star Republic originally began a coalition of nations among the various states of the UN to support National Sovereignty in future legislation. For whatever reason, our brother's thread is gone, deleted perhaps due to accident and complication of the server's tendencies.

We re-establish that this coalition should exist. National Sovereignty is, in part, given up through entrance into the UN. However, by sealing up necessary votes, it may be protected to an appropriate degree, permitting the member nations to handle business that is theirs and theirs alone.

Do you support such a coalition? The more support us, the stronger our voice.

The Confederacy of Caligatio, though unfamiliar with the politics of the nation of Kokabel, fully supports a coalition that speaks out for national sovereignty.

Caligatio has lobbied for such sovereignty in many of its posts, especially the posts dealing specifically with moral issues.

Todd M.
President of the Confederacy of Caligatio

It appears that my proposal has raised a important issue in the UN. Neo Rizenbul send its apologies for any commotion that may ensue and would like to personally commend Kokablel for taking action on the issue of National Sovereignty.

You merely reminded us of a former issue (i.e. prostitution) that had caused this debate to resurface. We do not head this effort, merely speak loudly in its favor.

The official position of Frisbeeteria is simple: The Least Government is the Best Government.

We firmly believe that most issues should be solved on the lowest possible level. Where individuals may choose, let them choose. When those choices infringe on others' ability to choose, let the national government step in with minimalist rules to aid those citizens. When national laws collide, let an international body adjudicate the differences with the least possible impact to both nation and citizen.

In the interest of defining the differences between national and international law, we created the following proposition:

A Declaration on Rights and Duties of UN States (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121212)

Due to technical issues beyond our control, we only received approximately 70% of the votes needed for quorum on our last passage. We understand from the UN technical staff that efforts are currnely underway to resolve those technical issues, and we fully intend to resubmit this proposal at that point.

Some may see this document as a champion of National Sovereignty. It is not. We clearly acknowledge the supremeacy of International Law as defined by the United Nations. This does not prevent us from using our Delagacy to strongly protest proposals that actively undermine the principles of Individual, National, and International Sovereignty.

I'd like to see the prostitution law repealed or nullified...

Unfortunately, current UN regulations allow for neither.

Frisbeeteria, though we felt more was needed, we accept the value of your original proposal and await its return.

Neo, that is sadly impossible by international legal procedure. We do not repeal, merely weedle around.

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Rabenswald strongly supports the ideas of National Soveriegnty, and would be glad to join in a coalition supporting it. Perhaps, however, someone would care to explain what exactly this coalition is intended to accomplish?

what exactly this coalition is intended to accomplish?
One would hope that such a coalition would actively support and lobby for bills and proposals that promote and encourage sensible resolutions in the UN. Since non-UN nations are, by definition, responsible only to themselves and whatever independent organizations they have chosen to join, their sovereignty will not be our concern.

Promoting sovereignty-related UN propositions should be our primary goal. And I just happen to have one at hand ...
A Declaration on Rights and Duties of UN States (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121212)

Promoting sovereignty-related UN propositions should be our primary goal. And I just happen to have one at hand ...
A Declaration on Rights and Duties of UN States (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121212)

With that in mind, I'd like to remind all nations, members and not, that you can still campaign for proposals you believe in. Mail your UN regional Delegate and neighbors.

We Are All Humanoids withdrew from the UN due to the repeated gross invasions of our National Sovereignity by repeated UN proposals that we felt were items that should of remained as a national as opposed to international matter. Our nations personal belief is that with the exception of International Law governing, War, Humanitarian Aid and peace keeping all other resolutions should be advisory to member nations!

We therefore back this coalition!

"One would hope that such a coalition would actively support and lobby for bills and proposals that promote and encourage sensible resolutions in the UN. Since non-UN nations are, by definition, responsible only to themselves and whatever independent organizations they have chosen to join, their sovereignty will not be our concern."

How would this "active support and lobby[ing]" take place? I would suggest a board of active participants telegramming supporters when a UN resolution is a gross subversion of national (not super-national) interest. I wouldn't mind notification when there's a national sovreignity issue out there for me to evaluate.

"One would hope that such a coalition would actively support and lobby for bills and proposals that promote and encourage sensible resolutions in the UN. Since non-UN nations are, by definition, responsible only to themselves and whatever independent organizations they have chosen to join, their sovereignty will not be our concern."

How would this "active support and lobby[ing]" take place? I would suggest a board of active participants telegramming supporters when a UN resolution is a gross subversion of national (not super-national) interest. I wouldn't mind notification when there's a national sovreignity issue out there for me to evaluate.

At first I didn't mind the resolutions the UN was proposing, they seemed to make sense but now that I think about it, there is only so much meddling a Nation can take, the resolutions have become more and more arbitrary as time goes by, before you know it the UN is going to be dictating Traffic Regulations and forcing people to be vegetarian.

Obviously to get the most out of the game one needs to be in the UN but that doesn't mean I am going to let them run my country, those who agree with the ideal of National Sovereignty must become noticed, the only way I can think of doing this in the short term is to "Vote Down" every resolution, if no new laws are passed, then the UN is effectively impotent.

If we successfully block every resolution or bill the UN proposes, no matter how sensible it may seem, then not only will our National Sovereignty be protected but we then have a strong position to change the way things are run.

If you agree with a proposal then you can implement in you own time, why should a Committee of Autocrats be able to dictate to any Nation whether or not they shoot skinny dippers, legalize prostitution or have fury dice on dashboards?

The UN binds us together but it should not bind us to the wills of other nations, friends or foe, we must unite to protect our right to self determination.


Thanks for your time
General Sputnik of the Armed Republic of Armorfiend

At first I didn't mind the resolutions the UN was proposing, they seemed to make sense but now that I think about it, there is only so much meddling a Nation can take, the resolutions have become more and more arbitrary as time goes by, before you know it the UN is going to be dictating Traffic Regulations and forcing people to be vegetarian.



The problem is the interface. Any nation can vote on a resolution, without having to even step foot into the United Nations forum!

Though this is a NationStates mechanics issue, the design of our United Nations is such that I wouldn't be surprised if over 60% of the voting nations haven't once visited our discussions.

"Save the World" looks like a good idea when you haven't taken the time to see that we've done this several times before and have a few more "Save the World" proposals in the queue.