NationStates Jolt Archive

The entire reason they are not all the same are for security purposes!!!!!!!
IF everybody that entered a country were issued a Passport of that country there would be no possible way of escape if they were to commit a crime.

If someone commits a crime in one country, then leaves, there is no way for the original country to issue punishment to the perpetrator(Spelling)

Think about it before you vote!!!!!!!!

Assuming that these are high-tech passports, they would actually make it more difficult for criminals to enter your country. All the UN would have to do is include criminal background information in the system.

What I'm concerned about is, what sort of information will the passports contain? Will it include my religious affiliation? Suppose I don't want other countries to know that? What if capitalist nations use the passport information in order to telemarket to us?

Assuming that these are high-tech passports, they would actually make it more difficult for criminals to enter your country. All the UN would have to do is include criminal background information in the system.

What I'm concerned about is, what sort of information will the passports contain? Will it include my religious affiliation? Suppose I don't want other countries to know that? What if capitalist nations use the passport information in order to telemarket to us?


I doubt countries will sell your phone number, but i would guess the passport would have

Name

Age

Religion

Race

Picture

Birthplace

Marriage :wink:

I meant that capitalist nations might not apply any privacy protections with respect to corporations and so those corporations may have access to information that could be used for marketing purposes. I would consider that a violation of privacy.

I meant that capitalist nations might not apply any privacy protections with respect to corporations and so those corporations may have access to information that could be used for marketing purposes. I would consider that a violation of privacy.

What? Are corporations in charge of immigration in these capitalist nations? The passports are shown to government officials when entering or leaving the country. Any country where that information then reaches corporations has bigger problems - like the fact that the same corporations are probably also being given all personal information in government hands.

Are corporations in charge of immigration in these capitalist nations?
Corporate? Government? One and the same in Frisbeeteria. The only thing the 'government of Frisbeeteria' is responsible for is my own lordly salary. Everything else is run by the Corporate States themselves. Want some roads? Build 'em. An army? Hire or rent one. Social security? Better check your employment contract, because there is no 'nation' to pay for yours.

Don't make the assumption that because it works one way in YOUR government, it's the same everywhere.

Wait a second. If all member nations of the UN utilize the same passport documentation, a terrorist/criminal/international fugitive needs only to forge a single document to get into any UN country. This severely detracts from international security, even assuming the technology involved in making these passports is advanced.

Also, is the UN printing these documents directly, or are member nations printing their own? If each nation prints its own, it means that the technology for printing them is available in each nation, so if a criminal can get his hands on just one printing facility from just one member nation, he suddenly has the ability to print passports to allow anyone to get into any UN nation. If the United Nations is printing these documents directly, then the total mass of documents that need to be printed will be so high that any background checks, interviews, surveys, identification-validations, and post-documentation tracking will drain UN funds in a matter of hours and require a dramatic increase in personnel.

This proposal is a bad idea.

Don't make the assumption that because it works one way in YOUR government, it's the same everywhere.

In your case, the Zanadiq has not described a harm that is unique to the current proposal, so my point stands. I apologize for phrasing it in a way offensive to your system.

Wait a second. If all member nations of the UN utilize the same passport documentation, a terrorist/criminal/international fugitive needs only to forge a single document to get into any UN country. This severely detracts from international security, even assuming the technology involved in making these passports is advanced.

Passports get you into countries anyway. Currently you only need to forge a US passport to get into many countries. In fact, any that accept a US passport. Under the new system this would be the same, except that a US passport would have the same information as any other passport. This proposal does not create a new UN passport, and you can still refuse entry for certain individuals.

Also, is the UN printing these documents directly, or are member nations printing their own? If each nation prints its own, it means that the technology for printing them is available in each nation, so if a criminal can get his hands on just one printing facility from just one member nation, he suddenly has the ability to print passports to allow anyone to get into any UN nation. If the United Nations is printing these documents directly, then the total mass of documents that need to be printed will be so high that any background checks, interviews, surveys, identification-validations, and post-documentation tracking will drain UN funds in a matter of hours and require a dramatic increase in personnel.

These are printed with the same equipment that is currently used to print passports, which is already available in every country. All this does is standardize the information on the passports, to decrease delays and confusion when someone is traveling between countries with wildly different concepts of what belongs on a passport.

This proposal is a bad idea.

I really don't see how.

I still don't see how anyone could approve this non-resolution. How can we standardize passports without standards? This resolution aims to force all nations into agreement in such a fashion that there is no consensus or knowledge on what is being agreed to.

The entire reason they are not all the same are for security purposes!!!!!!!

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IF everybody that entered a country were issued a Passport of that country there would be no possible way of escape if they were to commit a crime.

Thats stupid. Just because you are issued a passport when you enter the country doesn't mean you won't be able to espace if you commit a crime. How is a passport going to stop this?

If someone commits a crime in one country, then leaves, there is no way for the original country to issue punishment to the perpetrator(Spelling)

Extradition would work, and I don't see how passport harmonization is going to change this.

Think about it before you vote!!!!!!!!

I have thought about it, and will vote against said resolution.