NationStates Jolt Archive


DELEGATE'S ELECTIONS AND TERMS

07-02-2004, 21:35
ATENTION, ATENTION
The Republican Iberia has proposed a resolution that will give an oportunity for everyone to become delegates of a/our region. This is the proposal that The Empire of Republican Iberia has made:

No NATION shall be elected as DELEGATE more than twice, and no NATION who been DELEGATE, or acted as DELEGATE, for more than a two months of a term to which some other NATION was elected DELEGATE shall be elected as so more than once. But this RESOLUTION shall not apply to any person that is DELEGATE of a region when this RESOLUTION was passed by the UN, and shall not prevent any NATION who may be DELEGATE of a region, or acting as DELEGATE, during the term within which this RESOLUTION becomes operative from holding the possition of DELEGATE or acting as DELEGATE during the remainder of such term.
07-02-2004, 21:38
Hmm...I would say that a delegate can stay for a 5 month term instead of 2. Thats kind of dhort. :( But that is a good idea. I think I have seen one delegate go for an entire year. :shock:
07-02-2004, 21:48
YOU CAN FIND THIS PROPOSAL IN THE LIST OF PROPOSALS IN THE UN, IT IS CALLED "DELEGATE ELCTIONS AND TERMS".
imported_Polok
07-02-2004, 21:52
dont put technical issues up for proposal. If its passed the game will not change, the UN proposals are for roleplay issues only
07-02-2004, 21:56
Polok, it dosn't have to be technical, the game can go the same way, but the UN has to enforce this resolution, if they can inforce the legalization of prostitution the can enforce elections.
Frisbeeteria
07-02-2004, 22:05
It's my region's choice to send me to the UN. Neither you nor the UN has the right, or for that matter the ability, to force them to choose otherwise. You don't even have the right to enter our passworded region - you think we're going to give you the right to vote?

Even if this wasn't a game mechanics issue (which it is, and will be deleted), Frisbeeteria absolutely refuses to give their endorsement to any proposal or forum topic in All Caps. This is a civilized forum, Republican Iberia. We have microphones at every podium. You don't have to shout.

MJ Donovan, CEO, Frisbeeteria
07-02-2004, 22:06
No, this is a game mechanics issue.

Elections already exist, they're called endorsements. If you are unsatisfied with your delegate, lobby for those who endorse him to withdraw their endorsement. You just seem too lazy to go through the effort of doing so, and therefore want the developers to institute a redundant and time intensive procedure.
Goobergunchia
07-02-2004, 22:10
We concur with the Frisbeeterian position.

We would also note that in small regions with only two UN members, this would be very difficult to implement.

Point of order.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Retired UN Delegate
07-02-2004, 22:12
I agree with Lubria, but there must be a resolution to prevent lazyness, like you said, ppl are too lazy to withdraw there endorsement and endorse another, but if there is a date where you must make a disicion then nations would have to vote for a delegate. Its just a better way of democracy. And when you hear nations like Freezbeeteria it just shows you how much the UN has to do to promote democracy.
07-02-2004, 22:16
There is a solution for that in the constitution of the US you should look into it, its called the (minority rights)

We concur with the Frisbeeterian position.

We would also note that in small regions with only two UN members, this would be very difficult to implement.

Point of order.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Retired UN Delegate
Goobergunchia
07-02-2004, 23:03
There is a solution for that in the constitution of the US you should look into it, its called the (minority rights)

We concur with the Frisbeeterian position.

We would also note that in small regions with only two UN members, this would be very difficult to implement.

Point of order.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Retired UN Delegate

What is this US you refer to?

Furthermore, we cannot be expected to read things in proposals that do not exist.

We resubmit our point of order on grounds of game mechanics.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Retired UN Delegate
Greenspoint
08-02-2004, 01:04
I agree with Lubria, but there must be a resolution to prevent lazyness, like you said, ppl are too lazy to withdraw there endorsement and endorse another, but if there is a date where you must make a disicion then nations would have to vote for a delegate. Its just a better way of democracy. And when you hear nations like Freezbeeteria it just shows you how much the UN has to do to promote democracy.

So you propose a resolution to change human nature, to prevent laziness? Frankly, we feel you'll have a better chance of changing game mechanics than of changing human nature.

The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint has come to greatly respect the ambassador from Frisbeeteria, and we take offense at Republican Iberia's veiled insult. We call for Republican Iberia to apologize to Frisbeeteria, then go read the forum threads regarding what constitutes game mechanics, and please don't waste this chamber's time with more half-cocked ideas about how to impose "... a better way of democracy."

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs
Frisbeeteria
08-02-2004, 01:09
We call for Republican Iberia to apologize to Frisbeeteria, then go read the forum threads regarding what constitutes game mechanics

What? I missed somebody insulting me again? I need more coffee.



*begins to nod off again in utter boredom*
08-02-2004, 02:56
In Hobo Joe City we have some UN Delegate election every month, but the same nation can be UN Delegate two months after they goes out of the election and the next month after they can re-enter the election...
08-02-2004, 07:25
[quote="Frisbeeteria"]It's my region's choice to send me to the UN. Neither you nor the UN has the right, or for that matter the ability, to force them to choose otherwise. You don't even have the right to enter our passworded region - you think we're going to give you the right to vote?

I agree completely, plus this would take away from , region crashing, which, in the Nationstates rules is perfectly legal, and a legitamate power move. If the region's founder wishes to end a delegate's term all they have to do is kick them out and POOF! their term is over anyway. so i would say dont approve or vote for it since it is not necessary and will take the power that people have rightfully gained through legitamate moves.
Ellandar
08-02-2004, 10:38
Dear All
A query from Ellandar. I beleive that all nations in nationstates should act upon common decency. Especially a UN Delagate. I have been to many a nation where the UN Delagate ignores the fact it is incharge of 131 nations.

I beleive that when you telegram a UN Delagate they should get back to you as soon as possible. I don't think that ignoring one of your nations telegrams is a good policy.

Sincerly Nicholas Ardley - Expantionist President
08-02-2004, 16:06
ATENTION, ATENTION
The Republican Iberia has proposed a resolution that will give an oportunity for everyone to become delegates of a/our region. This is the proposal that The Empire of Republican Iberia has made:

No NATION shall be elected as DELEGATE more than twice, and no NATION who been DELEGATE, or acted as DELEGATE, for more than a two months of a term to which some other NATION was elected DELEGATE shall be elected as so more than once. But this RESOLUTION shall not apply to any person that is DELEGATE of a region when this RESOLUTION was passed by the UN, and shall not prevent any NATION who may be DELEGATE of a region, or acting as DELEGATE, during the term within which this RESOLUTION becomes operative from holding the possition of DELEGATE or acting as DELEGATE during the remainder of such term.

This is clearly game mechanics and has no place before the UN. The delegate of a region is decided from the number of endorsments it has, and will stay this way.

Yngwie Malmsteen,
Nibbleton UN Ambassador
Emperor Matthuis
08-02-2004, 16:51
ATENTION, ATENTION
The Republican Iberia has proposed a resolution that will give an oportunity for everyone to become delegates of a/our region. This is the proposal that The Empire of Republican Iberia has made:

No NATION shall be elected as DELEGATE more than twice, and no NATION who been DELEGATE, or acted as DELEGATE, for more than a two months of a term to which some other NATION was elected DELEGATE shall be elected as so more than once. But this RESOLUTION shall not apply to any person that is DELEGATE of a region when this RESOLUTION was passed by the UN, and shall not prevent any NATION who may be DELEGATE of a region, or acting as DELEGATE, during the term within which this RESOLUTION becomes operative from holding the possition of DELEGATE or acting as DELEGATE during the remainder of such term.

This is clearly game mechanics and has no place before the UN. The delegate of a region is decided from the number of endorsments it has, and will stay this way.

Yngwie Malmsteen,
Nibbleton UN Ambassador



Yes if you want to change the game post your idea in the technical forum, not a U.N proposal, :wink:
08-02-2004, 18:42
Besides, do you really think any delegates would actually want to allow the UN to impose term limits upon them :?:
08-02-2004, 18:55
Besides, do you really think any delegates would actually want to allow the UN to impose term limits upon them :?:

Those Delegates that are abusing power and that don't believe in Democracy, yes they won't want to have elections with terms. But those that are for democracy will do it.
Mikitivity
09-02-2004, 07:54
No, this is a game mechanics issue.

Elections already exist, they're called endorsements. If you are unsatisfied with your delegate, lobby for those who endorse him to withdraw their endorsement. You just seem too lazy to go through the effort of doing so, and therefore want the developers to institute a redundant and time intensive procedure.

We agree.

Since the technology of airlifting and moving countries exists and is paid for by "Somebody Else", there is no reason that a nation wanting to yield more influence can't create a new region or move to a smaller region where the regional delegate is not doing a good job representing her / his regional bloc.

If we want to make changes to the NationStates United Nations, perhaps better search functions or voting records or even *gasp* random international events would be better directions than changing the way regional blocs work.

However, here is another idea. Create a new regional bloc, say the Nation of Representitive States, and create a bulletin board. If enough nations join this new regional bloc that agree that your regional bloc should be voted for limited terms, then not only can you create your own mechanism to do this, but you might find enough other nations willing to try out your region, thus giving your new bloc serious power when it comes to voting on resolutions.