NationStates Jolt Archive

The pursuit of liberty and the pursuit of justice in no way contradict one another. Allegedly, SolaceArmonia's Libertarian foundation has made it vulnerable to criminal monstrosity. But today I assert that true liberty and true freedom is found in justice.

Mankind has always lusted after power, vied for control. But there is no freedom in oppression. For a Libertarian society to thrive, the rights of individuals must never be infringed upon. Once these two truths have been established, only one conclusion can be erected.

A purely Libertarian society must prevent its members from criminal activity, not indulge them. Criminal activity is a form of oppression: the demon liberty wages its war against. If you were to murder an individual, you would be robbing them of the most basic of all freedoms: life. How can a truly free people give its members the freedom to strip others of freedom? From my perspective, once an individual assaults the rights of another, his own rights are forfeit. The formula of freedom is found in this.

How can a truly Libertarian government grant liberty at the expense of liberty and still claim to be Libertarian?

If you agree with any part of this (and dwell in the Pacific), feel free to endorse SolaceArmonia, or at least visit it.

Thank you for taking the time to read this,
The Leader of SolaceArmonia

well, NS isn't all perfect, many people have made other complaints. Wait for NS 2, lots of stuff will have been fixed for that version.

Here we go, Libertarians ranting again

I like any political philosophy with Liberty right in there. Libertarianism is a perfectly viable viewpoint, Alohim.

While unable to endorse SolaceArmonia, Shortnow appreciates the questions raised and offers this summury of current thought regarding this topic.



The free citizens of Shortnow do not consider life a freedom per se.

Rather, we perceive 'life' as a condition. If a citizen of Shortnow lived their whole life in wilderness isolation, or if they lived their whole life in a dense urban community, life would not be perceived as a freedom but rather as a way of interacting with the environment, whether natural or construct.

Philosophy has not found a way to organize the environment in such a manner as would allow life to become a "right", nor has it found a way to completely prevent the neccesity of some percentage of the citizenry turning to "crime" as an individually productive way in which to interface with the environment.

Lacking goddlike powers and omnipotence, the citizenry of The Dominion of Shortnow considers some degree of "crime" inherent to communities that cannot guarantee exactly cloned opportunities of existance for all people. Therefore, we stive for wisdom in addressing a dynamic state of tolerance/intolerance and accept the need for constant evaluation of the "condition" of living as it relates to the whole of our society. We know we cannot micro-manege equitably down to the individual level. We hope that we will succeed at the level of community.

A truely "free" individual will inevitably find a way to be at odds with their community and no community can ever be "free" because it will always be constained by the needs of the whole citizenry. Shortnow prioritizes the continuation of species through community so we strive for dynamic compromise on behalf of individual freedom but not at the expense of having a lasting social network that can nourish a high percentage of individual freedom for it's members.

Life
Freedom, when stripped down to its simplest, is about control. When the you are murdered, all control you once had over your life is ripped from your grasp and thrown away. You no longer have the freedom of choice, your killer made the choice for you. In light of this, why isn't life a freedom? Our perceptions of life don't change what it is.

Justice
In this Shortnow disturbs me. The government nor the enviroment is directly responsible for crime. Criminal activity finds its genesis in the desires of man. I know government and enviroment plays a role in individual choice, but in the end, the choice is left in the hands of the citizen. The government is responsible to protect our liberty through justice.

True Freedom
I agree with Shortnow in this way, that true freedom will always evade us. Because of our tendency to smother the rights of others, we can only strive to achieve liberty, never fully attain it. True freedom is anarchy. But regardless, the weight of this failure is on our shoulders alone.

The Persecuted Redeemed agree with the staements made by the peoples of SolaceArmonia.

This post is merely meant for the purposes of support and encouragement.

Where Nationstates is simply wrong
Nationstates is wrong because it's a game!
You dont complain in Final Fantasy when strange mythical beasts are summoned, do you? By comparison, a slightly unrealistic represatation of a libertarian government it immaterial.
If you read the FAQ, it even tells you that everything is slightly exaggerated.
I say enjoy it!

(p.s. why is this in the UN forum?)

My political philosophy is libertarian if you mean by anarcho capitalist libertarian. Anyways it is a game there are lots of other bugs to like widespread deforestation happening in capitalist countries, but here in the united states logging industries always replant by choice because sooner or later they will run out of trees if they didn't it is just common sense to replant and why industries do it.
Anways why is this in the United Nations forum
http://www.libertyartworx.com/STUN.htm

Attention, region slut. :twisted:

Please take your thinly veiled region propoganda, and stick it...

In a suitable forum, nothing I saw in the initial post was faintly to do with the U.N. :wink:

Instead you've stuck up a rant against some slightly unrealistic factors of N.S. though might I add it IS just a game... But thats not the point. :)

Anyhoo, please remove it to the more appplicable area, I would guess general forums, maybe the N.S. one? Hell, maybe even take it up with moderation (Praise be to their name!) ? :)

Needless to say, though I see your point, but this aint the place, just remember every time a incorrectly placed post goes up, it stops a legitimate one from being seen at first. :wink:

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