NationStates Jolt Archive

Transition from Gasoline
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing Proposed by: Superpower07

Transition from Gasoline to Hybrid and Fuel Cell Automobiles

The air quality and ozone layer of our world is being degraded by gasoline, and the drilling for crude oil, the primary component of gasoline, which is limited in resources. Oil refineries also cause much pollution

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If this resolution is enacted, government will set up mandatory programs to further research on Hybrids and Fuel Cell engines

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Over the next 30 years, the automobile industry will be required to eliminate gasoline automobiles and replace them with more efficient Hybrids and Fuel Cell atomobiles

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Service Stations will also have to make a transition over the next 30 years in order to provide fuel to these new automobiles

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This will dramatically reduce pollution in major cities across the globe

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Though the Automotive industry may have to make sacrifices at first, this proposal/resolution will eventually benefit them

The Republic of SilveryMinnow supports most alternative fuel solutions, and hopes that a suitable resolution will be written for this goal.

The Delegates offer media of the creation of high grade gasoline by the refinement of Animal and plant by-products.

While I agree with researching alternative fuel sources, I feel obigated to point out that phasing out gasoline will affect far more than the automotive industry. Gasoline is an extremely common fuel, used in everything from lawnmowers to airliners. A resolution to phase out gasoline should keep in mind its influence on every industry; from the farmers who will need to convert their tractors, to the immense cost to the militaries of the world to convert every tank and plane. Not to mention the fact that while an alternative fuel capable of running of running an automobile is right around the corner, one capable of sustaining a 747 in flight is considerably farther down the line. I would reccomend that this proposal be redrafted to consider the immense impact it would have once implemented.

Klaus von Schunter
Chairman, Rabenswald Science Council

i agree with both of you but suggest that you work on changing automobiles for thirty years and set a longer time period such as 50 years for other things such as the airplane services and maybe longer ones for other things, but it will take a long time to wheen the world off gasoline but it will be worth it

Sophista, like the other nations that have chosen to post, agrees with the principle that motivates your proposal. However, as others have pointed out, its weak language and vaugeness leave substantial holes. As it stands, this resolution would cripple the economy of any country that can't afford to make the necessary changes. Granted, the people of Sophista don't suffer from such shortcomings, but we will not sit back and let the less fortunate be punished. Perhaps next time, when you write a clearer resolution, we'll be able to offer our support.

Sincerely yours,
Daniel M. Hillaker
Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Holy Republic wishes to speak on this proposal.

We wish to comment on each point made by the proposal. These comments come from the Ministry for Energy and Resources, the Ministry for Space and the Holy Church.

1. We recognise that oil drilling, and refinery is a polluting industry that produces further pollution when used by consuemrs in their vehicles. We wish to emphasise the fact that the supply of oil is a limited one.

2. Not all governments can afford such research programs, we can but many of the facilites used in our space program can be used for such research and thus reducing costs. An international fuel cell/hybrid research group would be a more effective alternative.

3. We believe that Automobile manufacturers will need to make the full transition anyway, as demand for oil slows down (to match falling suppy levels) they will have to phase out gasoline vehicles anyway. Setting a target of 30 years is sensible but must be flexible to problems in introducing such a transition.

4. We feel service stations will alter their services according to the demand for the fuels, which will change as vehicles covert from IC engines to fuel cell.

5. The air pollution levels will drastically fall with the introduction of Fuel Cell cars.

6. The automotive industry will notice significant long term gains, because they will have managed to avoid the decline in demand that would arise from declining oil supplies. I feel energy companies need to get involved too, this will prevent their opposition to the phasing out of the oil industry and ensure they are not hurt by the decline in oil supplies.

We wish to address some points raised by other states.

Some vehicles will not easily adapt to fuel cell technology, aircraft for example, or large industrial vehicles. We seek greater flexibility and an understanding that some forms of vehicle will never be able to run on fuel cell technology.

The Holy Republic applauds Superpower07 for their desire to address a problem that has been ignored for far too long.

This proposal makes some excellent points but the proposal needs some changes to take into account the vastly differing forms of machinery that rely on oil-based fuels.

Blessings to you all,

Jaius Beaumontia - Arch-Chancellor of the Holy Republic of Beaumontia

i agree with both of you but suggest that you work on changing automobiles for thirty years and set a longer time period such as 50 years for other things such as the airplane services and maybe longer ones for other things, but it will take a long time to wheen the world off gasoline but it will be worth it


agreed.

No i will not sacrifice my business, sorry :wink:

While we agree that alternative fuel sources should be researched and expanded, we do not feel that requiring manufacturers to give up gasoline without a proven, economically feasible alternative is appropriate.

I suggest that the proposal be ammended to support, and possibly fund alternative research, and that a new proposal be submitted once such sources are on a par with cost-effectiveness of gasoline.

As gasoline is a limited resource, as time goes by, the increase in cost of gasoline will help make the others more competitive, even as further research lowers the cost of alternatives. At that point, economic effects will do more than any mandate to reduce the use of gasoline and increase the percentage of alternative fuel sources available.

We would like to remind the honorable representatives that the UN does not have the power to revoke the laws of physics. Fuel cells will not, in themselves, significantly alleviate greenhouse gas emissions or fossil fuel depletion; they are simply an alternative way of consuming fuel, not a primary energy source.

The production of hydrogen to power fuel cells requires enormous amounts of energy, which must be provided by some primary energy source. The only source currently suitable to meet such large energy needs is fossil fuel. The conversion of automobiles to fuel cell power might even lead to increases in the consumption of fossil fuel, because of the progressive losses involved in transforming energy from chemical to thermal to mechanical to electrical to chemical to electrical to mechanical (the current method involves fewer stages, being simply chemical to thermal to mechanical).

Hybrid engines promise efficiency improvements in fossil fuel use for transportation, but since they actually use conventional fuel, no changes in fuel production and distribution infrastructure are necessary.

This resolution has long been in place and in effect. Yours is by and large unecessary, as hybrid systems are a step in the process, brother.

We are continuing our efforts in this vein and hope to achieve an effective hybrid car at some point in the forseeable future, applying our trained scientists to this matter.

Don't repeat legislation unless it is truly necessary.

Hydrogen Powered Vehicles
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing Proposed by: Kibombwe
Description: We, the people of Kibombwe, propose that every nation should start developing hydrogen powered cars. We have polluted the air for too long -- it needs to stop. By passing this resolution we will be able to accompish these three things. 1. Less acid rain. Acid rain a problem that we feel should be stopped. It is especially a problem in the Northeast corner of the U.S.A. The Northeast is a place rich in historical buildings which acid rain damages. We passed a "PROTECT HISTORICAL SITES." This would only furthermore protect historical sites. 2. We wouldn't have to use as much oil. Oil is a nonrenewable resource that we only have so much of. By passing this resolution we would only prolong the time that we have oil on earth. 3. We would have cleaner air. Does anyone remember the days when "fresh air" was actually fresh? When it was a pure thing, without chemicals and other junk mixing in the air. With cleaner air, everyone would live longer, happier lives. I hope that anyone and everyone who reads this agrees with us. PLEASE MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!!!

Votes For: 12533

Votes Against: 3280

Implemented: Mon Jun 16 2003

:D Hi everyone

We people of Filanthropoland propose that all gasoline and petroleum engines within five years be remodeled to burn the same in a fuel cell engine that completely absorbs all and leaves only water and oxygen as derivatives of the combustion.

Whereas the auto industry is already working on this plan to be ready by 2010 and people in the auto repair industry and various ecologically friendly chainstores are in the process of building do-it-yourself kits to change your motor into a fuel cell type motor,

Wheras the damage from gas combustion to the ecology and to the human race because of the smog and pollution is monumental,

And whereas the government of our nation as already implemented and tested some of these 'kits', and found them functioning perfectly and passing the test with only 2% residue leftover if any, and these kits could be made quite reasonably affordable,

Therefore there is no reason to stop this because of 'costs' and it could be implemented right away to stop the damage to all our brothers and sisters in all nations of the human race.

In our Nation, since our currency is Sharing the Land, everyone gets a kit free, along with all basic necessities and therefore allowing all to work at their best for the Nation, free of pollution and ecological damage.

Thanking everyone who agrees with this proposal ahead of time,
Filantropolang's Chairperson. :wink:

Transition from Gasoline
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing Proposed by: Superpower07

Transition from Gasoline to Hybrid and Fuel Cell Automobiles

The air quality and ozone layer of our world is being degraded by gasoline, and the drilling for crude oil, the primary component of gasoline, which is limited in resources. Oil refineries also cause much pollution

WHERAS
If this resolution is enacted, government will set up mandatory programs to further research on Hybrids and Fuel Cell engines

WHERAS
Over the next 30 years, the automobile industry will be required to eliminate gasoline automobiles and replace them with more efficient Hybrids and Fuel Cell atomobiles

WHERAS
Service Stations will also have to make a transition over the next 30 years in order to provide fuel to these new automobiles

WHERAS
This will dramatically reduce pollution in major cities across the globe

WHERAS
Though the Automotive industry may have to make sacrifices at first, this proposal/resolution will eventually benefit them

When posting a proposal such as this, it is best to put foward arguments that are, in fact, true.
The Proposal states that "The air quality and ozone layer of our world is being degraded by gasoline." Destruction of the ozone layer is not related to the burning of fossil fuels. Destruction of the ozone layer is a seperate problem, caused primarily by CFCs.

An invalid argument such as this, in an already controvercial proposal, means that in its current wording, this proposal is useless.

Yngwie Malmsteen,
Nibbleton UN Ambassador

Hybrid Automobiles use gasoline.

Filanthropoland appears to be using ganja-powered automobiles.