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I mean come on guys, the only reason most of the people who passed the law passed it was because they are horny little perverts who thought it was funny. There is no way that you really think prostitution should be legalized...if more of these stupid laws keep getting passed...you can bet to see me, as well as many other nations leaving the UN. I know it's just a game and it should be fun, but passing stupid laws just takes away from the game.

Some people have stated arguments based on individuals's rights... reasonable argument cannot be ruled out.

It's not a "stupid law". The arguments for the legalization of prostitution have been actively considered in more than a few governments in the real world today. Why? Because a regulated business environment is much safer for its practitioners than an unregulated black market, in a field which is more a matter of moralistic consideration than obviously harmful conduct.

I voted against the bill, not because I think it should be illegal, (which it isn't in Xha'dam) but because I don't think nations should be forced to make it legal if they don't want to.

I mean come on guys, the only reason most of the people who passed the law passed it was because they are horny little perverts who thought it was funny. There is no way that you really think prostitution should be legalized...if more of these stupid laws keep getting passed...you can bet to see me, as well as many other nations leaving the UN. I know it's just a game and it should be fun, but passing stupid laws just takes away from the game.

OOC: Actually there are a great many Americans and Europeans that feel prostitution should be legalized *and* overseen by a government. Take Las Vegas and Amsterdam as examples. Also of note, there are PLENTY of people who go to these two cities who aren't "honry little perverts".

Sairlava and nearly all of the nations of the Alliance of Demorcatic Isles were united in opposition to the prostitution resolution. Our issue wasn't whether prostituion is moral or not or if it should be legalized or not. We could not stand for the fact that all of our nations were going to have to legalize prostitution. UN members need to realize that though this may sound like a good idea for their country, might be disagreeable in other nations. This has to stop or the UN is going to begin to lack participation. Of course, this would only help the few in imposing their disregard of sovereignty on those remainig, but it will be a hollow victory.

We of Joccia also think that this should have been posted in issues rather than be the subject of a UN proposal. Surely this is an area where the "mods" should be more active on behalf of the game.

True, the type of proposal, and the way they make it through DOES reflect the "real world" - knee jerk legislation fostered by a minority and passed by a majority who are scared to appear non-PC, or just don't think about the connotations of the legislation they're passing. But, does the game really deserve to drop to that level?

No offense, but I personally don't like prostitution because it involves pimps selling women prostitudes for,well,you know. I also think women shouldn't sell their bodies like that. It's disgusting, unsanitary and immoral.

These are only my opinions, remember that.............

I have read all of the things that the people have posted on this, and I still believe that how the UN has gone about this law is not the BEST way of doing it. To me, a UN (remember, this means UNITED nations) should not propose bills of such controversy. Something that is as debatable as prostitution should not be suggested in the UN, because that forces many people who do not wish to have prostitution legalized to have it done anyways. Now, I know that in the UN the majority rules, and that is a great way of handling it, but don't you (not a particular person, just a general you) believe that the resolutions that they come up with should be a little more realistic, and a little less controversial. I don't believe you would EVER see the UN propose a law like that!

By legalizing prostitution you can regulate it much better. You can make a law that only women of the legal age of consent are allowed to participate, that they have to regularly be tested for STD's and that they have to pay taxes on their incomes. I don't know why it should be illegal to have a monetary transaction for something that is perfectly okay to do for free. People pick up others in bars all the time and have one night stands. If two consenting adults want to involve money in the process, i don't have a problem with that.

You don't believe controversial issues should be discussed in the UN? What if a nation decided that the abolition of slavery was controversial? The concept is relative; everyone will have their own dividing line for what is, and what is not, controversial. This is precisely why we have debates, why we have a UN, to decide, by majority, how our joint governments should deal with controversial issues. If an issue isn't controversial, than international law probably isn't required, most nations will pass laws on the appropriate side. However, any issues can be controversial. It is not for you to say what the UN may debate or decide.

You are guilty of Ad Hominem. You attack the proponents instead of what was proposed. So what if people voted for it because their horny twelve year old boys, it doesn't matter why, so long as a legitimate argument can be made for why it should be law that prostitution be legal, and I believe several such arguments have been made.

Do I think prostitution should be legal? Yes. I believe it should be legal to among consenting parties, properly regulated, and taxed, like any transaction. Do I believe the UN was right to legalize prostitution among all its members? That's a grey area for me. While I try to respect national sovereignty, I also understand that those joining the UN give up such rights; you can't have it both ways. Saying it is an issue, "best left up to the individual nations" is a cop-out to me. We must discuss issues of controversy, though without a method for repeal in place in the current form of the UN, I am reluctant to say we must take clear stances on such issues.

The Sheep will pass whatever comes before them, so debate is for before a proposal is made, here in the forums, and certainly not ex post facto. In other words, it’s the law, get over it or leave.

The Right Honble. Peter Javanis
Baron of Altrec
Special Envoy
Office of His Grace, the Lubrian Prime Minister

I voted for it because I see no reason why consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to involve money in sexual activities. The legalisation of prosititution is just that - the legalisation of the exchange of money for sex acts - and not the legalisation of abuse, exploitation or pimping. Prostitutes now have freedom, they are protected, they are healthier, and they keep their profits - the only way in which anyone takes a slice of their income is the legitimate taxation levied by government.

I voted for it because I see no reason why consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to involve money in sexual activities. The legalisation of prosititution is just that - the legalisation of the exchange of money for sex acts - and not the legalisation of abuse, exploitation or pimping. Prostitutes now have freedom, they are protected, they are healthier, and they keep their profits - the only way in which anyone takes a slice of their income is the legitimate taxation levied by government.

Exactly. People have to understand that prostitution is going to go on whether it is legal or not. Far better to bring it above ground where it can be properly regulated.

Apart from that, to me, individual sovereignty is a fundamental human right. The right for adults to do what they like with their bodies as long as they aren't affecting others who haven't consented.

No offense, but I personally don't like prostitution because it involves pimps selling women prostitudes for,well,you know. I also think women shouldn't sell their bodies like that. It's disgusting, unsanitary and immoral.

These are only my opinions, remember that.............

aww, c'mon. prostitution goes on anyway, and will continue even if it is legalised. the difference is, the prostitutes won't be treated as badly by pimps (etc) if the bill is passed, because it could be regulated. as for the comment at the bottom about women not selling there bodies, that's their choice alone.

as for the "these are only my opinions" bit, good for you! you have the right to express your opinion if it is well thought-out. obviosly, in real life, you don't need to think about your opinions *to* much. just look at religion, for example...

this is why i quit the UN. Prostitution is a demoralizing, evil practice that has been condemmed by most major relgions and institutes. Sex is the beautiful, act of love between a man and woman, the whole reason is to procreate and ensure the survial of our race. The act of Prostitution is just mindless sex, which kills the whole meaning and makes it into a cruel mockery. Plus i agree with the above statement of how this was passed by a bunch of horny guys. Seriously come up with good resolutions.

Who are you to say what prostitution is and isn't? Don't take on a moralistic standpoint. You can be wrong. And the fact is, some nations may not see of sex as the idealized coupling of man and woman. Realize that this can be the case. Not all people have the same beliefs. Just because a religion doesn't support it doesn't mean a person can't. And what if sex isn't beautiful? Bah. Carnal lust. Heard of it? There's your refutation.

What is a good resolution? I'm sure any resolution you don't agree with automatically becomes bad? Stop taking an overarching view of everything and learn to see the other side. I didn't even vote on the topic, but I would vote for it. And here's why.

The fact is, legalizing prostitution has a number of goods and bads. This is why you vote on it. But since people are mostly concentrating on the bad, I'll go with the good first.

First of all, the legalization of prostitution can help in situations of rape and harassment. If men are truly "horny little guys" then that means that the legalization of prostitution gives them an outlet to their sexual needs, instead of other...not as desirable ways. In addition, the legalization of prostitution would help to stop the problems with prostitution in the first place. Disease? Legalization could provide for standards and checks to weed out the diseased ones. Black Market? Well, prostitution would be legal, taking the whole process off of the streets and into a legal business where you will have less of the problems of illegal technicalities.

There's a bunch more reasons. Let's go to the bad.

First of all, you have the idealist belief that sex should be an institution, not paid for. The whole basis of the argument against prostitution, however, lies in belief values. It is completely centered around the ideas of marriage, sex, and how the two should be handled. The only real argument against it is that prostitution is dirty.


In my opinion, the goods far outweigh the bads. Although I don't really see the benefit of compulsary legalization, urging nations to do so would present benefits.

Personally i tend to think on and off about allowing such law within the Empire of Zortroth to be active or not, but freewill, freedom of speech and public rights is at an extremely high level in my Empire so it doesnt bother me much.


Tytrox Throx
2000th Generation Royal Emperor
Empire of Zortroth

I'd rather legalize prostitution to stop the spread of disease than let it rot in the corners of seedy dark alleys where people could be raped, diseased, and murdered potentially.

there is no use debating this issue. prostitution was voted to be legal it is a resolution and there is no way you can change it. read the rules.

This isnt really about the rules of the UN my friend...it is to show some people's stand points on issues. Now, from reading these things I see a new standpoint, about separation of religion and state. See, if the state is proposing laws that go against religion...isn't that the same as religion trying to enact laws that are according to their religion? This is a serious question, not a rhetorical one, so please someone tell me what they think of that. I know that separation of religion and state was to prevent religion from overpowering the government, but can't it be done the other way? This also brings up the issue that religion shouldn't be considered in law making, because there are many different religions that view the topic from different aspects. A Christian would PROBABLY not want to have prostitution legalized, but other religions might.
On another point, someone said that they would like it to be legalized so that it wouldn't have to be done in dark alleys and STD's wouldnt be passed. If you think about it, by it being legalized, there would still be STDs along with abuse to the women. I have more to say on this...but I have to go at the time...I will try to get on later tonight and finish this post