legalized prostitution?
just because there are 10,000+ of ya that need to be laid.....
(lol)
doesn't mean it should be legalized!
just because there are 10,000+ of ya that need to be laid.....
(lol)
doesn't mean it should be legalized!
agreed! I suspect 90% of those votes in favour are probably those who think of women as sex objects, and imagine them as the same as those ladies found in certain "magazines"
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Berkylvania
02-02-2004, 16:24
The sexed up and incredibly hot nation of Berkylvania finds your arguement coherent, incisive and compelling. However, we're still voting for legalization of prostitution. Now, if you'll excuse us, we are in the middle of being sexed up by our young and voluptuous office staff.
Your comments seem to indicate that you think that all prostitutes are women and this surely shows more of your own subconcious views than those who have voted for or aginst the issue - as nowhere in the porposal I voted for does it suggest this is a womens only thing..
Your comments seem to indicate that you think that all prostitutes are women and this surely shows more of your own subconcious views than those who have voted for or aginst the issue - as nowhere in the porposal I voted for does it suggest this is a womens only thing..
Like I said, 90% of those who voted in favour are probably thinking of women...although I'll happily admit I have generalised as well on occassion. Nonetheless, this proposal affects primarily women, and males as a minority (less than 50%)...
Who comes up with these proposed laws? For instance this whole subject on prostitution I think should be implemented country by country, not a subject for the whole UN. Why force the entire UN to conform to such a silly law.
_Myopia_
02-02-2004, 18:02
I'm voting FOR because I feel that the individual has the right to do whatever the hell they like with their own body, as long as they're not hurting anyone else - personally, I would never buy or sell sex.
Just because it's legalized (I voted for it) doesn't mean that women HAVE to be prostitutes. It just allows them to do with their body what they want without being arrested.
It doesn't make women into prostitutes, and I doubt that legalized prostitution would turn make women think "ohhh, now it's legal, I'm going to quit my job and be a prostitute now."
Prostitution is and always has been a part of all societies. To take it away would be unnatural. Besides, the Licensed Quarters have brought forth many unique cultural aspects, including music, drama, drink, and much more. To deny its existence would be to deny a great contribution to culture.
bud we have t know, all those peapole 'll lose there jobs.
what shall we do with them?
think about that beacuse everone 'll agreed prostitution is bad.
word is for the next.
I have never seen anything wrong with neat, clean prostitution. Perhaps the words "clean" and "neat" might strike you as odd along side the very idea of prostitution, but let me explain.
If prostitution is legalized, in a controlled manner, it will keep women (and men) who do it anyway off the streets. I am completely for bordello's, gentleman's clubs, and the like, as long as their is some good standards of cleanliness and organization regarding the business that takes place.
High end, tasteful dating services - these things can be beneficial not only to the economy, but to the women and men who decide to work in these positions. Establishments will be regulated, inspected by health services, and licensed to service personal pleasure.
Remember, since it'll happen anyway, might as well legalize it so you can have SOME kind of say in how that business is run.
And - there was one point when courtesans were the most educated women in the world. A lot of prostitutes and call girls are college students that need money for schooling. So there you go. . .
Selene
Empress of Glynor
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The social reform: Regulating Prostitution.
Prostitution is any means of providing sex for goods of monitary value. Some important (as decided by a group of our nation's citizens their names will be provided upon inquery) facts about prostitution:
1) 92% of women engaged in prostitution said they wanted to leave prostitution, but couldn't because they lack basic human services such as a home, job training, health care, counseling and treatment for drug or alcohol addiction. 130 people in prostitution were surveyed in San Francisco, California, as part of a study funded in part by Kaiser Permanente and the Prostitution and Research Education project of San Francisco Women's Centers, Inc. Respondents ranged in age from 12 to 61, with an average age of 28. Nearly 40% were white European/American, one-third were African American, and almost 20% were Latina. ("People in prostitution suffer from wartime trauma symptoms caused by acts of violence against them," Business Wire, 18 August 1998)
2) 300,000 to 600,000 juveniles are involved in prostitution in the United States. (Gary Costello of the Exploited Child Unit of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, "Danger for prostitutes increasing, most starting younger," Beacon Journal, 21 September 1997)
3) In New York City, 40% of street prostituted women have injected heroin or cocaine. More than two-thirds of those said they have smoked crack. (results of a survey of 4,200 "street prostitutes" by researchers at Frost’d, Christopher S. Wren, "Addicted to Crack, Prostitutes Work Longer for Less," New York Times, 19 August 1997)
4) In 1994, New York City began a crackdown to get rid of street prostitution. When more than 9,500 prostitutes and male buyers were arrested men had their names published and vehicles taken away, the women who were arrested for prostitution were given jail sentences. The crackdown cut the number of street prostitutes in half in some parts of the City. Repeat offenders declined. The Number of convictions per prostitute declined with 50% of them now having no more than one prior conviction, while prior to this it was not unusual to see defendants who had 100 prior arrests. Prostitution has been driven off the street to inside locations. (Michele Svirdoff, research diretor Midtown Community Court’s Center for Court Innovation, Kit. R. Roane, "World’s Oldest Profession Moves Off the Streets," New York Times, 23 February 1998)
5) Street prostituted women are often drug addicted. In jail they are generally 25-35 pounds underweight as a direct result of their drug addiction. Many have STDs and some are HIV positive. Most have open sores from abbesses; many have been raped or robbed. Most are deeply depressed and a small portion say they are mentally ill. Prostituted women getting out of jail have no resources, they feel their only choice is to return to a life they know or where they are accepted. ("Developing Individual Growth & New Independence Through Yourself" DIGNITY HOUSE)
All decisions involving the modification of society will need lengthly examinitions detailing all of the possible paths to the modification and the probable impact of each before they can be properly voted by the public:
'Regulation' is a vauge word. When one says "regulation," they might neglect to say to what extent, or how something might be regulated.
Below are ideas that our people have selected to be the best methods of Regulating Prostitution:
1) No regulation. Prostitutes would be free to exchange money for sex while they obey the agreed upon ideals of common decency.
Things to consider when choosing this option:
Personal freedoms, public health, capitalism
2) Government regulation. Prostitutes would have to be regestered with the government and the government would include prostitution in the contracts division of the employment enrollment program. As the government is responsible for public health, all prostitutes would be rigorously tested and records of transactions would be kept.
Things to consider when choosing this option:
A resource diversion to a non-productive job, public health
3) Prohibitive regulation. Prostitutes would be arrested and forced to work low level manufacturing jobs.
Things to consider when choosing this option:
Personal freedoms, government production
4) No modification.
Vote with reason, and good intentions. The best way to avoid stupid mistakes, is to make intelligent decisions.
-The CommonWealth of Rational Humans.
In Joccia we have no prostitutes, we will continue to have no prostitutes, we have complied with the law in all respects.
at the expense of hundreds of lives backed into a corner.
at the expense of hundreds of lives backed into a corner.
No, thousands of exploited lives rescinded. We have ended the suffering, and also the trade.
The UN forced us to do this, and also gave us the means.
We stand by the UN
at the expense of hundreds of lives backed into a corner.
No, thousands of exploited lives rescinded. We have ended the suffering, and also the trade.
Tomato, Tomahto....
Potato, Potahto....
never did understand that song, either....either - neither....neither
My country has a stable economy with full employment and my people have very high moral standards. Therefore, We do not have a need to regulate or not regulate prostitution. We are in full compliance with the UN Resolution.
As the leader of Brion, I am appaled that the nations of the world would be so depraved to force legalization of prostitution. I detested that vote. I feel that just because the other nations are un-needingly horny, that I should have to put up with it as well. I ask that a amendment be implemented that allows nations that desire to be free of this disgusting proposition
It's a matter of freedom, a man, or a woman for that matter, should be able to do whatever they want with stuff that they are their own, as long as it doesn't hurt other people. Taking for granted that people that go to Prostitute going because they want to, and the fact that the Man/Woman body is their own, it should be legalized. Everyone has the right to do so. Today it's corrupt because of the fact it's illegal, there corrupted pimps, that employee girls in slavery kinda thing, hook them up and pay them nothing. You legalize Prostitutes, not slavery nor pimps.
Legalizing something does not command it. Skydiving is legal, but how many skydivers do you know?
As the President of the Holy Republic of Foose, I ordered our UN representative to vote in favor of the resolution. Prostitution has always existed in our nation, but has always been a thing kept secret, hidden, and illegal. While the voters would never have approved this on their own, I believe this UN resolution is a chance to bring the issues associated with prostitution out into the light of day.
A note of thought. One of our Senators from the opposition party, who will go nameless, is a fat, balding, dorky, aging man who has a new 20 year-old girlfriend all the time. It's not his looks or his brains that attracts them. It's the fact that he buys them expensive dresses, fancy cars, pretty jewelry, and the like. How is this different from prostitution? And why is it acceptable and the same thing on a smaller scalre is not? He's buying sex, with goods as a middleman instead of a pimp.
So, as the Holy Republic abhors hypocrisy, I'm glad that this bill passed. We are forming a commission to regulate the industry, which we are happy will provide a new tax base. Workers will be tested monthly for STDs, health inspectors will ensure the use of condoms and good hygiene, prostitutes will be covered by minimum-wage, overtime, and worker's compensation and child labor laws. I think this is a chance for a new beginning. I encourage others to see it the same way.
And one last thought...any who say prostitution does not exist in their country are foolishly naive.
Joccia is not naive, prostitution no longer exists in Joccia
My suggestion is to look at the advantages legal prostitution brings.
I believe prostitution will exist anyway, by legalizing it you will only get it out of the criminal underworld. Legalization makes it possible for the government to control the prostitution, and make regulations.
Further i think that prostitution reduces the crime-rate. Sexual frustrated men have a place to go to, instead of walking around through town with those unsatisfied sexual needs, with the danger of rape.
I have spoken... 8)
imported_Final Final Infinity
03-02-2004, 22:38
Okay here is a simple counter question for those of you who feel like the next question that Prostiution legal will be helpful:
Quote: Here's a question (think long and hard). Has making prostitution illegal prevented it?
Question:
Was making Slavery legal helping the slaves?
Did the slaves get treated better before or after slavery?
Did making Slavery illegal help these people?
Has making slavery legal help the condition of the slaves? No it hasn't and most countries have banned Slavery... do you suppose we should make it legal?
Gasp, making things illegal can be good.
Making a law that is broken legal is just rewarding the criminal.
If a people start stealing from you, you'd have the problem of theivery... do you legalize that too?
Its their hands and bodies that stole, don't they have control of what they chose to do with it?
Besides being angry, you have no case because they caused no harm: at least that is the argument for prostitution.
As the leader of Brion, I am appaled that the nations of the world would be so depraved to force legalization of prostitution. I detested that vote. I feel that just because the other nations are un-needingly horny, that I should have to put up with it as well. I ask that a amendment be implemented that allows nations that desire to be free of this disgusting proposition
It's not so much as forcing legalization of prostitution. You can't ignore that prostitution will happen whether you want it to or not, legal or no. Taking that into mind, wouldn't you agree that you can make the inevitable a little safer?
Joccia is not naive, prostitution no longer exists in Joccia
Suuuuure, it doesn't. . .
People are gunna be hookers wether or no its legal its a big market and there's alot of money to be made. Theres lots of otherthings that are immoral and ruin peoples lives and they're legal so why shouldn't prostitution
You misunderstand me, the UN legalised prostitution - it's quite legal to be a prostitute in Joccia, in fact people are encouraged to become prostitutes in certain classes...
Prosititution no longer exists in Joccia, one moment, ahh yes, how many?
Yes prostitution no longer exists in Joccia
So far 237,396 problems solved
P.Peabody
Minister for Social Well Being
Safer? Less Rape? Crime has damn near been extinguished in my nation. Not only is it a disgusting occurence, but it can also spread disease. Just because its legalized doesn't make it any healthier. In fact, now that its forcibly legal, the prospecty of disease spreading is that much higher
No, people who say it should be legalized because it's "their body" and "their choice" don't realize that if we went by this law then in a constitutional matter things like drug addiction, alcoholism, suicide, and such would have to be legalized also.
Like one other pointed out, it's also just encouraging the unawareness of sexually transmited diseases. This world is not a perfect utopia and people need to understand that we need limits even if it IS our own body. It's for the good of everyone's health benefits to ban prostitution. It isn't a sin to masturbate if one is so sexually infatuated.
I guarantee not only higher rates of STDs, but also higher rates of abortion. Overall, the populations health would see a large decrease. Do you really want all this because of selfish people who can't display modesty or self-control?
_Myopia_
08-02-2004, 12:14
No, people who say it should be legalized because it's "their body" and "their choice" don't realize that if we went by this law then in a constitutional matter things like drug addiction, alcoholism, suicide, and such would have to be legalized also.
Yes we do. And they should. All drugs should be legal in private property in the absence of children and with the permission of the owner, except for strong hallucinogens which can cause relapses into hallucination at any time during a user's life, which is dangerous to others who are not given that choice e.g. if they're driving. Suicide should be legal in the same way that euthanasia with the patient's permission should be legal - your life, your choice to end it, although people who attempt suicide should be taken into mental care because they are quite probably clinically depressed (i.e. it shouldn't be treated as a crime, but as an illness). And there is no law against alcoholism.
Like one other pointed out, it's also just encouraging the unawareness of sexually transmited diseases. This world is not a perfect utopia and people need to understand that we need limits even if it IS our own body. It's for the good of everyone's health benefits to ban prostitution. It isn't a sin to masturbate if one is so sexually infatuated.
Why not make it obligatory to use appropriate protection when visiting a brothel? And in case people think of ignoring the rule, do something similar as with the warnings on cigarette packets, and have warning signs at the registered brothels reminding people that unless they use a condom or similar and use it properly, there is a risk of transmitting STDs. Additionally, make regular STD testing mandatory for prostitutes.
]I guarantee not only higher rates of STDs, but also higher rates of abortion. Overall, the populations health would see a large decrease. Do you really want all this because of selfish people who can't display modesty or self-control?
If they're using a condom, and the female (whether she's client or prostitute) is on the pill, then the risk of pregnancy is effectively zilch.
On a side note, mind-altering substances are a grey area in the "victimless crime" mindset. If the person is locked in a room and abusing mind-altering substances, then it remains a "my body, my choice" situation.
However, releasing said individual into a public area while the mind is altered can drastically change that to a "their body, my creatively and inquisitively destructive choice to wreak havoc" situation.
_Myopia_
08-02-2004, 17:12
Then you have similar laws to the ones that let police arrest people being "drunk and disorderly in public".
Okay here is a simple counter question for those of you who feel like the next question that Prostiution legal will be helpful:
Quote: Here's a question (think long and hard). Has making prostitution illegal prevented it?
Question:
Was making Slavery legal helping the slaves?
Did the slaves get treated better before or after slavery?
Did making Slavery illegal help these people?
Has making slavery legal help the condition of the slaves? No it hasn't and most countries have banned Slavery... do you suppose we should make it legal?
The country of Zeta Ceti wishes to understand the parallel that is being drawn between slavery and prostitution. Zeta Ceti understands that slavery was placed upon unwilling persons who were opressed to the point where they had no choice but to submit to the rules of slavery. We also understand that prostitution is an occupation that people freely choose to participate in and are able to leave the "profession" if they choose to do so.
In the case of prostitution, it is known to be the oldest profession around and it shall continue to endure even if under the strictest of laws. There really are no benefits to keeping prostitution illegal especially if such activities will continue despite the laws. However, if prostitution is legalized, countries will be able to regulate it. The regulations should be placed on the individual country's ideals.
Such regulations could include, are not limited to, and are editable by individual countries:
I- Safety measures
1) Keeping background checks on individual prostitutes including a medical status which would be presented to any who wishes to hire a prostitute.
a) Medical status should be updated every month by a registered physician.
2) Requiring medical documents from all who hire a prostitute which would be presented to the prostitute before she/he is to be hired.
a) Medical status should be no older than a month upon the hiring of a prostitute.
3)Prositution houses must remain clean, sterile areas under the scrutiny of the health department.
II- Civil Rights
1) No civil group can place an attack, physically or verbally, upon a prostitute or prostitute house or anyone who supports a prostitute or prostitute house.
2) Regulations on publicity for this profession will be governed by individual countries.
3) A person can freely choose this as their profession and are able to leave the profession at any time.
III- Government Rights
1) Prostitutes and Prostitution houses can be taxed.
2) Prostitutes and Prostitution houses can be closed by the government if they are deemed unsafe.
Again, these are only suggestions on how to regulate prostitution and can be greatly amended as I still left out a lot of detailed information.
Gasp, making things illegal can be good.
Making a law that is broken legal is just rewarding the criminal.
Making a law that is broken legal is not rewarding the criminal. If it is, you should probably think about reworking said law. By legalizing prostitution, the ex-"law-breakers" are now subject to medical scrutiny and have to pay taxes on their business. The law is improving the situation for such people by allowing them to actually make money at what they do- which might help them get out of the situation that got them into the profession in the first place; have medical proof as to what sorts of diseases they personally have as well as any clients they may intend to be hired by.
If a people start stealing from you, you'd have the problem of theivery... do you legalize that too?
Its their hands and bodies that stole, don't they have control of what they chose to do with it?
Besides being angry, you have no case because they caused no harm: at least that is the argument for prostitution.
The country of Zeta Ceti does not see the problem of prostitution as crime, but rather a profession that people choose to do. They make their money by working for it and people choose to give their money to those of this profession. People do not choose to give their money to theives however, and so your example has no meaning to the proposal of making prostitution legal.
The country of Zeta Ceti also does not see the problem of prostitution as the cliche'd phrase "It's their body they can do whatever they want with it." The question of prostitutionism goes a lot further than this shallow comment which only covers the tip of what goes behind prostitutionism.
We also believe that prostitution is a matter of individual countries to discuss and not a national problem. Prostitution is a moral problem to be dealt with and as many should understand, morals are the opposite of universal. Zeta Ceti's morals seem to differ greatly from those of Final Final Infinity's morals which would differ greatly from _Myopia's morals and your morals. Therefore, each country should take their own position upon this problem and try not to enforce their morals upon the world.