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selling body + making money = utility

utility in one situation + encroachment on national sovereignty = unjust laws

selling body + making money = utility

Kinapping + illegal transport + slavery = YOU ARE AN IDIOT

Oh my... how'd that slip out? It must have been a piece of truth fighting of the shackles of stupidity inherent when you wave anything involving sex in front of a group of pubescent little kiddies on the internet.

How can we, as a civilized world, even vote for a resolution of this kind?
The Ciryatan goverment is strongly against this resolution, and urge all of you to do the same.

-Aranel of Ciryatan

I'm ok with legalizing prostitution...however the sex tax in my country will be %100.

If prostitution is legalized it will be a tempting shortcut to make decent living. This is not a solucion, only the beginning of an increasing problem. If prostitution is legalized, it will become a business, soon pimps and bordellos will arrive, exploiting these girls with no other way to go.
Ban prostitution, better welfare instead.

ya lets legalize prostitution and create an even more screwed world. thats all we need is more health problems. this will help no one with money if anything it will make them even poorerbc they will have to pay for the medical bills from all the STD's they will get. This wont help anything!

If prostitution is legalized it will be a tempting shortcut to make decent living.

Question: do you find fucking ugly fat old men who treat you like a tool tempting? If so, be my guest, I think you'll find you're in a small minority. It isn't the illegality that prevents people from becoming prostitutes, its the fact that it's a pretty piss poor way to make a buck and people rarely do it unless they see little other choice.


This is not a solucion, only the beginning of an increasing problem. If prostitution is legalized, it will become a business, soon pimps and bordellos will arrive, exploiting these girls with no other way to go.


Oh I seeeeeee! See we thought it was the other way around! I thought that pimps and bordellos were a result of illegality! My christ, we're all idiots here at Albion! See we thought that with legality came protection under the law from pimps and the like-- because prostitutes at the very least neeed not fear being prosocuted or treated less than human by cops! We thought that legallity would take prostitution out of the seedy underworld and make it into a safe profession!


Ban prostitution, better welfare instead.

well here's the other thing: not only have we legalised prostitution but we have manged to solve the tricky problem of unemployment. Welfarefor us, is for those who are sick or have retired. (which we call 'the citizen's wage', not welfare) We're sorry to hear that your nation is so unequal and exploitative that it produces paupers and prostitutes, but we manage just fine.

In any case, one does not negate the other, unless you would rather spend money on pigs and jails than social wellbeing.


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Albion Notes the motto 'blood soil and iron' and begins to understand.

Prostitution is a type of slavery that is compelled on the women in the capitalist society, and, therefore, struggle against prostitution is vital to restore the humane respect of women in the society. In the present societies, poverty, lack of social assistance, legal and practical limitations on the way of women employment and, thus, in the way of their independence, male- chauvinistic attitude and the manner and behavior of men as privileged sex in the society are the causes of prostitution to be established, maintained and spread.
Uprooting the prostitution demands struggle against all of the above causes. Moreover, in order to fight against prostitution, the following undertakings are urgent. The government must support the victims of prostitution economically, and provide educational facilities and employment possibilities for them. Procurers must be prosecuted by law and be punished by severe sentences.
The Communist Republic of Europaland

Why is this so difficult for you people to get through your heads?

There is no valid reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Oh thank you all for passing that stupid resolution made by a horny man. In Yshurak, STDs and abuse of women have risen to an all time high. Thank you very much.

Christoph Vladinov
UN Ambassador of Yshurak

Edit. Double post... stupid NS.

reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.
Read your above post several times, then go read the infamous National Geographic article on slavery, or do an internet search for "sex slavery."

Why is this so difficult for you people to get through your heads?

There is no valid reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Maybe you should get it in your thick head that some "activities" are very inappropiate.If YOU feel the desperate need to waste your money on some STD and a few seconds of pleasure,then that says something about your character.

Why is this so difficult for you people to get through your heads?

There is no valid reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Maybe you should get it in your thick head that some "activities" are very inappropiate.If YOU feel the desperate need to waste your money on some STD and a few seconds of pleasure,then that says something about your character.

Why is this so difficult for you people to get through your heads?

There is no valid reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Maybe you should get it in your thick head that some "activities" are very inappropiate.If YOU feel the desperate need to waste your money on some STD and a few seconds of pleasure,then that says something about your character.

Why is this so difficult for you people to get through your heads?

There is no valid reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Maybe you should get it in your thick head that some "activities" are very inappropiate.If YOU feel the desperate need to waste your money on some STD and a few seconds of pleasure,then that says something about your character.

Ah, it is obvious that many of you assume that the word utility actually has something to do with morals. I hope that those of you (especially those who use the word "idiot) can come to terms with the fact that ethnocentrism is the obvious problem here. Many of you assume you know what is best for another nation. Do you? No, you do not. One can only know what is best for their own culture, not another. Then again, if you take an etic view of prostitution, then obviously you WILL think that it is bad. For example, the Yanomamo women of Brazil and Venezuela were, by American terms, "beaten" by their husbands. The women did not see themselves as being abused (DO NOT comment on this unless you actually know something about the Yanomamo, I do not need ignorant replies). Besides, utility has NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALS!! MORALS ARE NOT A CONCERN IN THE WORD UTILITY!! Keep that in mind when you respond without thinking.

It should also be noted that, in the case of legalizing prostitution, that does not mean that people are forced to prostitute, only that it is another option. The UN (in reference to this site) did not say that women (or men for that matter) would not be FORCED to prostitute. If they wish, they may do as they please. Plus, legalizing prostitution does not mean legalizing the violence. It may even legalize the organization of prostitution. Meaning the participants will have to be tested (as in all pornography). Really, people should be able to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. I don't want hypothetical situations, or what is happening in the "real world". That's not what this is about. Hoo-ray for pornography and the now legalized institution of prostitution!!

Why is this so difficult for you people to get through your heads?

There is no valid reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Maybe you should get it in your thick head that some "activities" are very inappropiate.

That's irrelevant. As long as it's consensual for all parties involved, it is not government's concern.

reason for government to ban prostitution because it is not government's place to regulate the voluntary activities and transactions between individuals, nor the nonviolent purposes for which one chooses to use one's body.
Read your above post several times, then go read the infamous National Geographic article on slavery, or do an internet search for "sex slavery."

Coerced acts are still illegal.

Coerced acts are still illegal.
Yet in nations like India and Cambodia where prostitution is legal, you see a lot of sex slaves particuarly child sex slaves, and the authorities do nothing about it.

selling body + making money = utility

Kinapping + illegal transport + slavery = YOU ARE AN IDIOT

Oh my... how'd that slip out? It must have been a piece of truth fighting of the shackles of stupidity inherent when you wave anything involving sex in front of a group of pubescent little kiddies on the internet.

The Bloodmoon-Hyperion Empire fully supports the legalization of prostitution. While we do not necessarily endorse prostitution itself, much as we do not endorse the selling of various bodily organs, we do feel it is a person's decision to do as they wish with their body so long as it poses no immenant danger to others. If you can't sell your own body (or time share it, as the case may be), the one thing you will ever truly own, what can you sell?

Now, since you had to get out of character, so will I. I really hate to get out of character, especially for a true, pure, honest fool who DOES NOT SEEM TO FULLY GRASP THE CONCEPT OF THIS GAME and instead has to start a flame war over a ficticious issue in a fake game. I've known a fair number of women who've been prostitutes, and none were ever kidnapped, illegally transported, or slaves to anyone. A few did it out of desperation, but by and large, they were no different than small time drug dealers. They realized they could make about 100x more money having sex then they ever could working at McTacoHut or Wal-Mart, and they'd only need to work for maybe 2 or 3 hours a week instead of 40+ to pay their bills. Not a bad set up really.

I have a feeling you will disagree with me on this point, but I have a feeling you have not seen much of the real world, or at least as not as much as you may think. I have seen the world. I have traversed the land and the skies. I have dined with the wealthy and the poor. I've lied, I've cheated, and I've stolen. I've also gave and sacraficed and been without so others could be with. I've ruined lives and I have saved them. I've made decisions in fractions of a second that have been directly responsible for both the giving and the taking of human life, and I've done what it takes to back them up. And I would do it all again in a heart beat. I would change nothing. I have seen the world. I know the truth, and I know I still have a lot more to do before I am done.

If you ask a regular teenage girl in any suburban city if she thinks she's open minded and has seen a lot, she will say she has. And if you ask a grown man who's been in the military in Africa and Asia for an extended period of time if he thinks he's open minded and has seen a lot, you will also get a yes. And if you ask someone who has been in space and looked back at our world, perfect and wondrous, with no war, no starvation, and no suffering as it just hung there, unified into one perfect world, one perfect, blue, green, and white globe, that has for some reason been kind enough to allow us to live upon it, if they are open minded and have seen a lot, you will get a yes. In short, it's a matter of perspective. One has seen nothing, the next has seen it all, and the last has seen everything. Think about that next time before you go shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing of. We need more intelligent humans in the world, not more oxygen thiefs. If you do not fall into the former, you fall into the latter. Fix it, and fix it quickly.

Now, where did I leave my character... Ah, there it is... Oh, I must remember to dust you more often...

-Emperor Hyperion of the Bloodmoon-Hyperion Empire

Coerced acts are still illegal.
Yet in nations like India and Cambodia where prostitution is legal, you see a lot of sex slaves particuarly child sex slaves, and the authorities do nothing about it.

1) RW nations aren't important in NS
2) That's a problem of India and Cambodia's enforcement of laws and is not a valid reason to deny individual rights.

Coerced acts are still illegal.
Yet in nations like India and Cambodia where prostitution is legal, you see a lot of sex slaves particuarly child sex slaves, and the authorities do nothing about it.

1) RW nations aren't important in NS
2) That's a problem of India and Cambodia's enforcement of laws and is not a valid reason to deny individual rights.

Wholly, 100% agreed. This is a game people, why are so few apparently able to comprehend that? Or why is there such a vocal minority who just doesn't get it? My country (NS) has a (horribly racist, so I'm told) hit show called, "Bigtopians Say The Darndest Things." There are no real Bigtopians in the world, and there are no real countries in NS.

And as you so correctly point out, those issues are ones of the countries not enforcing their laws. It's just like with anything else, people will do it if they know they will get away with it. Take jay walking. It's illegal here to cross the street except at a cross-walk. But I have done this countless times, and many times in plain view of cops, but they have never bothered to stop me for it. They refuse to enforce the law, and for good or ill, it is broken. Here, it saves me a few minutes on a walk, so I'm all for non-enforcement. But the point remains that a country can pass as many laws as they want, but if none are enforced, the country will essentially be lawless.

How can we, as a civilized world, even vote for a resolution of this kind?
The Ciryatan goverment is strongly against this resolution, and urge all of you to do the same.

-Aranel of Ciryatan

This quote seems to sum up what has been going on in the UN lately.

I would like to bring it to your attention that anyone else unhapy with the state of our system should contact 'The Lone Star Republic'.

There is currently a group preparing to lobby for a 'cleaned up' UN.

Actually vome to think of it, why don't we just ban PUBLIC prostitution.

There are no skantily dressed women on street corners - Families, richer people and "upper class" "cultured" twits...I mean people are happy.

Women can however invite men into their homes for money but out of view of the public - Prostitutes, Clients and women in need of a good income are happy.

There now why didn't any one think of that before.

HOWEVER

I still stand by my belief (shared by many others) that the UN should only be allowed to create laws concerning the external affairs of a country and it's interaction with other countries. Not the internal laws and affairs of that country.

That's what it says in the NationStates Help section.

I would add to Googlewoop's description "Actions with global effect" such as environmental issues to a degree.

Quite right.

Now has anyone here ever heard of the prostitution within countries affecting the GLOBAL comunity?
I think not.

Thats it, I'm decided. Someone needs to go into the UN and put this into legislation. That the UN can only change external affairs and events, practices and laws that have global effect.

Left the UN.

What a joke! Making a law that nations must make prostitution legal!!! Is that the kind of stuff that the UN decides?

We in Sterham feel that prostitution is harmful to soceity and were shocked when we found that we must live under someone else's total lack of decency. Saying prostitution is legal paramounts to saying its ok. So then do they get to advertise? Build bigger and more high-tech brothels?

Not in Sterham.

The cultured people of Googlewoop fully understand your decision and sympathise with your population.

This is exactly what we are talking about. If something is not done soon, our nation also refuses to stay in the UN.

I'd definitely take a capitalist approach for capitalism.

I think you've got to have prostituion tightly screened for health reasons first of all. Then, to bring in the capitalistic approach, have agencies scattered around (pimping corporations). (It's probably better for tax purposes that way.)
Then put a controller on prostitute minimum wages.

Gotta have a system!

A little bold for your fist post don't you think?

Your idea makes sense but hear we are trying to eliminate the legalised prostitution act.

I'd definitely take a capitalist approach for capitalism.

I think you've got to have prostituion tightly screened for health reasons first of all. Then, to bring in the capitalistic approach, have agencies scattered around (pimping corporations). (It's probably better for tax purposes that way.)
Then put a controller on prostitute minimum wages.

Gotta have a system!

Nope. Government has no place interfering in the voluntary actions and agreements between individuals.

Joccia has taken the Grande solution to the prostitution problem. We have enacted yet another ridiculous UN resolution, which seriously compromises a nation's right to self determination. We have used the MOST stupid of all resolutions so far passed - Grande's - to solve it. We have terminated all prostitutes under the Legalisation of Euthanasia resolution.

P Peabody
Minister for Social Well Being