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Nations have to look to the future and realize that the excisting societymodels are still inadequate to develope a high-technological model. One of the biggest issues in the future will be the potential of a nation to make a new concept of healthcare. Classical medical industry struggles with various kinds of deseases, who can't be solved anymore with addictive narcotics.
The key to bodyimmunity is to modify the genetic structure. Therefor nations can force their civilians to undergo medical tests and change their genes when the health is in danger. These modifications can only work when each civilian has the same healthy genes, otherwise it would create hybrids. In order to establish these advantages, democratic nations have to take steps into the social model of eugenetics and cybergenetics. Science and democracy will form a new unity without their past problems. One of the basics can be read in the philosophy of Saint-Simon.
At the financial side the nation will be able to cut at their healthcare, because chronicle deseases will disappeare

This proposal is made by the nations of the region Western Cosmopolitan Unity
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/89543/page=UN_proposal/start=80

You would seek to remove our individuality then? Or would you proclaim yourself God and simply remove natural evolution?

Nations only can change indexated known genetic failures. Just another step of scientific research.

Nations only can change indexated known genetic failures. Just another step of scientific research.

No, i don't believe in this sort of thing, :)

Link to proposal: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_proposal1/match=genetic

Genetic structure modification

Category: Social Justice; A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.
Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Teknocracy


Description: ations have to look to the future and realize that the excisting societymodels are still inadequate to develope a high-technological model. One of the biggest issues in the future will be the potential of a nation to make a new concept of healthcare. Classical medical industry struggles with various kinds of deseases, who can't be solved anymore with addictive narcotics.

The key to bodyimmunity is to modify the genetic structure. Therefor nations can force their civilians to undergo medical tests and change their genes when the health is in danger. These modifications can only work when each civilian has the same healthy genes, otherwise it would create hybrids. In order to establish these advantages, democratic nations have to take steps into the social model of eugenetics and cybergenetics. Science and democracy will form a new unity without their past problems. One of the basics can be read in the philosophy of Saint-Simon.

At the financial side the nation will be able to cut at their healthcare, because chronicle deseases will disappeare


Voting Ends: Wed Feb 4 2004

Genetic unity is a poor idea. Diversity is key to survival -- the more similar a group is, the more likely that a single event or type of event will eliminate that group. The state should not be able to force citizens to undergo these changes -- nor, I'm sure, will there be a solid consensus among NationStates players that such modifications are possible at this time.

Nor do I see that this proposal is under the correct category. Social Justice resolutions increase taxes on the wealthy and establishes welfare programs in an attempt to narrow the divide between the rich and the poor. My standard explanation of why that's not good:

You may find yourself asking, “Why is category so important?” Here’s why: Obviously, the game cannot possibly interpret the text of a resolution, and so all it has to go on is the category and modifier (usually strength, but not always). This is important because it means that the in-game results of a resolution are determined solely by its category. The effects of each category are fairly straightforward – indeed, they’re even listed for you. Take Environmental resolutions, which have the subtext: “A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.” An Environmental resolution will always significantly harm the affected industry in the game, regardless of whether or how much it would in a real life situation. Then, of course, the modifier is also quite important – a Social Justice proposal (“A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.”) set to Strong can literally cripple all of the economies of the member nations in one stroke – so be honest and don’t just set every proposal you make to “Strong!”

We're talking about malfunction-genes that can be regulated, we don't agree to duplicate the agriculture-type of genetic modifications. There is no risk at creating a new generation of "super"virusses, only the classical medical industry creates that.

Please note that these are 2 different methodes of genetic engineering. We don't want to duplicate genetic material, only modify!

My proposal has effects on multiple aspects of a society.

Your resolution is meaningless. Such action is not outlawed for nation states. Should they choose to, they may. Your bill does not demand that nations do so, so it is not binding. Basically, you would wish to waste the delegate's time with a 'healthy suggestion.'

If our august nation, the Holy Empire of Kokablel, ever faces this issue, we will deal with it as we choose. However, if you wish to propose something which has no binding force and simply says, "nations can do what they can already do" then we see no reason to vote one way or another. Why bother?

The key to bodyimmunity is to modify the genetic structure. Therefor nations can force their civilians to undergo medical tests and change their genes when the health is in danger. These modifications can only work when each civilian has the same healthy genes, otherwise it would create hybrids.

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations!
IDIC.

This philosophy is not only a corner stone of both the physical, biological, and social sciences in the Confederation of Mikitivity, but it practiced in genetics as well.

Recall what happened to Irelands potato crops? A single diease whiped out most of the potato crop and since much of Ireland's agricultural production was limited to a single crop with a SIMPLE and non-diverse genetic structure, the potatoes all died.

This was not only an economic tragedy, but a human one as well. Irish starved. (As a side note, the Famine did result in the birth of Political Sarcasism with Johnathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" where he proposed feeding babies in order to keep the population alive *instead* of addressing the real problem.)

Ironically, your proposal would leave the global population at risk of not only something the likes of which Swift would spin in his grave, but furthermore, epidimics like SARS, West Nile Virus, and the Black Death could easily whipe out the human race before the diesease pathways are found, much an immunization is developed.

Frankly, if such a proposal were to pass the UN, the Confederation of Mikitivity would *leave* the organization, as clearly such a policy is not unlike a DECLARATION OF WAR on the entire human race.

Nations only can change indexated known genetic failures. Just another step of scientific research.

Nations only can change indexated known genetic failures. Just another step of scientific research.

Nations only can change indexated known genetic failures. Just another step of scientific research.

The key to bodyimmunity is to modify the genetic structure. Therefor nations can force their civilians to undergo medical tests and change their genes when the health is in danger. These modifications can only work when each civilian has the same healthy genes, otherwise it would create hybrids.

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations!
IDIC.

This philosophy is not only a corner stone of both the physical, biological, and social sciences in the Confederation of Mikitivity, but it practiced in genetics as well.

Recall what happened to Irelands potato crops? A single diease whiped out most of the potato crop and since much of Ireland's agricultural production was limited to a single crop with a SIMPLE and non-diverse genetic structure, the potatoes all died.

This was not only an economic tragedy, but a human one as well. Irish starved. (As a side note, the Famine did result in the birth of Political Sarcasism with Johnathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" where he proposed feeding babies in order to keep the population alive *instead* of addressing the real problem.)

Ironically, your proposal would leave the global population at risk of not only something the likes of which Swift would spin in his grave, but furthermore, epidimics like SARS, West Nile Virus, and the Black Death could easily whipe out the human race before the diesease pathways are found, much an immunization is developed.

Frankly, if such a proposal were to pass the UN, the Confederation of Mikitivity would *leave* the organization, as clearly such a policy is not unlike a DECLARATION OF WAR on the entire human race.

Like i said before, it doesn't have the mechanisme used in GMO's (agriculture). I'm talking about genes who have a malfunction. The scientists just find another way to motivate the mechanisme of nature: survival of the fittest. Like domesticating animals, the scientists eradicate genes who may cause cancer,... I'm not talking about virusses. Read it well: chronicle deseases! So your arguments are off topic. try to understand there is a big difference between gentherapy and GMO's.

Nations only can change indexated known genetic failures. Just another step of scientific research.

While the ambassador did state that, his / her proposal CLEARLY did not. Furthermore, that statement is in conflict with the proposal which included:

"These modifications can only work when each civilian has the same healthy genes, otherwise it would create hybrids."

This is dangerous!

Look on the bright side, I'm sure there are another 140+ nations that would love to see the end of the human race and would be more than happy to endorse a proposal that would allow nations to FORCE genetic modifications upon their populations in order to create a super race.

If this is not the intent of the proposal, perhaps you should consider rewriting it. But as it stands, this is dangerous and the Confederation of Mikitivity (CoM) will have no part in it!

The idea that this proposal should get anywhere in a sensible United Nations is laughable.

This proposal flies in the face of every fundamental human right, every civil liberty...the idea of forcing people to comply with genetic modification is an abhoration.

I would strongly urge any sensible member of the UN who disagrees with this idiocy camouflaged as a proposal consider supporting my draft proposal outlined at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2659339#2659339