NationStates Jolt Archive

In regards to the latest UN Proposition:

Let it be known that the Government of Colelandia does not support this proposal. The legalization of protitution is unacceptable and immoral. The risks involved with intercourse with any person, especially one who is involved as often as a prostitute, are far too great to be have this be legalized. If we are to stop the spread of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases and in turn improve our peoples quality of life, this proposal must be rejected. It is our hope that you will support Colelandia and fellow nations in striking down this resolution. We must think about the future, and the suffering of many that we can prevent.

And by legalizing it, we can legislate safe sex practices and compulsory STD testing for all practitioners of this particular trade.

The Government of Colelandia would in addition like to add to its first statement:

"Over 2 million women and girls are sold into the sex slave industry EACH YEAR, and for the most part they are imported into western countries. Indeed, the things for which the UN stands for must seriously be questioned if Prostitution is legalized. It should already be questioned, with the legalization of euthenasia. Support Colelandia and all nations opposed to this proposition with your "AGAINST" vote."

The only truely safe sex is abstainance. It has also come to my attention that people think violence towards prostitutes will stop. NO, it will not. Just because protitution is made legal, and provisions are made to protect them does not stop people from harming them. Rape will still occur, beatings will still occur and deaths will still occur. Legalizing prostitution isnt going to help our countries. Why dont we legalize sex in public places. It's time to get a grip on reality.

You're incredibly wrong. It is the banning of prostitution that is immoral, because it is a fundamental violation of individual rights.

This is a direct infringement on national sovereignty,

Vote against this ruling.

If U.N. Member nations don;t wanna toe the U.N. line, then maybe they should get outta the U.N. Every U.N. ruling is a violation of soveriegnty.

You're incredibly wrong. It is the banning of prostitution that is immoral, because it is a fundamental violation of individual rights.

The Emperor does not subscribe to the notion of "individual rights". All priveliges and allowances derive from the Emperor and he may extend or retract them at will.

Prostitution of a sort is in fact permitted within the Empire - an approximate 7.8 million young women are currently serving in the Relief Corps, providing our nation's soldiers with release and recreation as payment for debts owed to the State or its Chartered Corporations. Despite this, the Emperor does not feel that it is within the UN's mandate to regulate matters of economic policy and does not support this proposal.

8) It seems clear that Prositution is an unfortunate but unevoidable part of society. Take prohibition in 1920's America that created problems then it solved. Surly it would be better to have prodtitution in a safe enviroment uses constaseptivs and of coursetaxed

Voof-land has voted against this heinous proposal because our upstanding citizens deplore both the horrid disrespect for the sanctity of marriage this evil practice shows, and also the blatant disregard for the sovreignty of nations which the United Nations has shown by proposing this rule in violation of our national freedoms.

Voof-land has spoken.

This is why you need to legalise prostitution.
It doesn't matter if it's illegal, if you hang people that do it or engage in it, it won't matter what you do, it will still happen, just the same as drug use and alcohol use and tobacco use and chocolate eating and coffee drinking will happen and always will no matter what.
if it's legal it makes it safer to do than if it's illegal and underground, it allows empowerment and reduces abuse and suffering. it also allows you to make money from income tax if you're a government.
The bottom line is that going on about the sanctity of marriage or the only safe sex is no sex is only a judgement call. If you disagree with it or not you will never stop it happening, legalising it does not mean that it's right but it means that you are acting compassionately without judgement.
Its not about condoning it's about harm minimisation. Prohibition does not mean that it doesn't happen. but legalisation does not mean that you condone it, it means you are allowing the people who find it necesarry to become empowered and have some control over their lives.

Afgpotastand has looked at the arguements and deceided it was best to vote against. Though taxing it and earning money would be good, it would not help the condition our nation is in right now.

Voof-land refuese to vote for this proposal because it is a violation of our natioal sovreignty! We can decide by ourselves whether or not to make laws about morality in our own country. We don't need the UN interfering with our internal affairs, it was created to solve international disputes, not legislate liberal lack of morality!

"If we in this nation continue to sow the images of murder, violence, drug abuse, sadism, arrogance, irreverence, blasphemy, perversion, pornography, and aberration before the eyes of millions of children, year after year and day after day, we should not be surprised if the foundations of our society rot away as if from leprosy." Senator William Byrd, Democrat, West Virginia: Speech on the Senate floor, September 18, 1991
"The whole philosophy of our country has changed to accept immorality, degeneracy, pornographic movies. I'm the world's greatest advocate of the First Amendment, but somehow we've got to have freedom with some responsibility." Benjamin Hooks, Past Executive Director of the NAACP


Voof-land has spoken.

The Commonwealth of Cowes wishes to let other nations know that it will vote against this proposal, not because Cowes is against prostitution - we do not outlaw the industry, but regulate it closely - but because this is a gross invasion of the rights of a nation to decide on an issue.

One nation may have a real problem with illegal prostitution while others may have very little problems with prostitution. These are very different situations, and a nation should be allowed to decide which fits itself better. Prostitution is not exactly a global industry after all.

Vote against this resolution.

-The Commonwealth of Cowes

Fellow Nationstates memebers,

I agree with everything you all have said this message against this terrible bill. We need to spread the word to more local area's such as our own regions. Everyone who has a vote must not allow this to go thru!!!

Long Live Mother Grasha!

Let it be known that he Mullet men will fight against the legalisation of prostitution! I have seen my relatives torn apart by prostitution. It is fat, twisted, ugly businessmen that use prostitutes and it is wrong! If prostitution is legalised then I may quit the un. I will use what little influence I have to rally people against such a proposal. :evil:

Your emotional experiences are not sufficient cause to violate individual rights.

Stop being an immoral sleazebag and realize that it is each individual's right to decide what he will do with his own body.

I would take it a step further and say that all woman that are fit must serve one year as a government prostitute. the government gets a set amount per john and the girl gets what is over that amount! :idea:

We will crush your skull.

MAKE IT LEGAL!!! VOTE FOR IT.

;]

This is why you need to legalise prostitution.
It doesn't matter if it's illegal, if you hang people that do it or engage in it, it won't matter what you do, it will still happen, just the same as drug use and alcohol use and tobacco use and chocolate eating and coffee drinking will happen and always will no matter what.
if it's legal it makes it safer to do than if it's illegal and underground, it allows empowerment and reduces abuse and suffering. it also allows you to make money from income tax if you're a government.
The bottom line is that going on about the sanctity of marriage or the only safe sex is no sex is only a judgement call. If you disagree with it or not you will never stop it happening, legalising it does not mean that it's right but it means that you are acting compassionately without judgement.
Its not about condoning it's about harm minimisation. Prohibition does not mean that it doesn't happen. but legalisation does not mean that you condone it, it means you are allowing the people who find it necesarry to become empowered and have some control over their lives.

Legalizing it makes it seem like an endorsement of the industry. While I agree that something needs to be done, I do not believe that it should be legalized. We can create laws to protect them without having to legalize it.

The Holy Republic of Outsiderville is voting against this resolution if it becomes a member of the UN. Outsiderville will not support this kind of legislation. It will remain illegal even if the legislation passes.

The United States of Croniun left the UN after euthanasia was legalized. Soon after, we decided to give the UN a second chance. But if prostitution is legalized, Croniun will leave the UN forever because of its immoral motives.

i left BECAUSE of the number favoring it.

i mean, prositution isnt the only business for those people. Ever heard of jobs?

I do not support the legalization of prostitution for the fact that it won't reduce crime at all. sure now that prostitution isnt a crime police don't have to mind it. but think of the increases in drug use, STDs, pimping, extortion, and murder. hundreds of prostitutes vanish without a trace every year! If you want to help the poor, set up helpful welfare programs but turning every U.N. country into a hippie commune isnt the answer.

I suppose personal rights include the right to drink and drive? The right to shoot people who disagree wtih you?, the right to sell drugs? the right to enslave others?
I suppose if thats the case then yes, personal rights do include renting out your body.

Ever heard of unemployment rates? Debt collectors who take what little money you have? Failed investments? Lay offs?

The only argument against this proposal would be religion, and not everyone is religious enough to try to ban this. I have voted for this resolution and will not change my vote.

And your personal rights stop where others begin. You can do what you like with your body and property, but not anyone else's.

I do not support the legalization of prostitution for the fact that it won't reduce crime at all. sure now that prostitution isnt a crime police don't have to mind it. but think of the increases in drug use, STDs, pimping, extortion, and murder. hundreds of prostitutes vanish without a trace every year! If you want to help the poor, set up helpful welfare programs but turning every U.N. country into a hippie commune isnt the answer.

I suppose personal rights include the right to drink and drive? The right to shoot people who disagree wtih you?, the right to sell drugs? the right to enslave others?
I suppose if thats the case then yes, personal rights do include renting out your body.

There would be less extortion and less murder, since you get rid of hte black market. Your personal rights means your right to YOUR body and YOUR property. Nothing more, nothign less.

So you do have the right to drink and drive.

You do NOT have the right to shoot others, since is the intiation of force, and violates their right to their body and property.

You have the right to sell drugs.

You do not have the right to enslave others. But state enslavement of the entire female population seems to be your advocacy.

I would like to know why it states on this website that the moderators do away with resolutions that should not be brought before the UN, yet here we are voting on a resolution that frankly the UN should not be voting on.
Regardless of whether you agree with the contents of the resolution, vote no on this due to the fact that this issue is simply not the UN's business.

I would like to know why it states on this website that the moderators do away with resolutions that should not be brought before the UN, yet here we are voting on a resolution that frankly the UN should not be voting on.
Regardless of whether you agree with the contents of the resolution, vote no on this due to the fact that this issue is simply not the UN's business.

It's about teh fundamental right to liberty for over half the population and the right to free trade for all the population. If this isn't a UN issue, what is?

I would like to know why it states on this website that the moderators do away with resolutions that should not be brought before the UN, yet here we are voting on a resolution that frankly the UN should not be voting on.
Regardless of whether you agree with the contents of the resolution, vote no on this due to the fact that this issue is simply not the UN's business.

Very true. It is not a UN issue. It should not have come to a vote. But now that it is, it can be done away with, simply by voting it down.

The disapproval of this proposal would not require a nation to criminalize prostitution, nor to keep prostitution illegal, if that is what that nation wants within its borders. So voting this down does not harm any UN member nation. Disapproval of this proposal leaves a nation's rights intact, within that nation's borders.

But should this invasive and harmful proposal be approved, it _will_ require UN member nations to allow an industry that, in many cases, it despises. A vote for requires member nations to allow within their borders something that some nations cannot tolerate. It will cause UN member nations to flee the UN.

I would like to know why it states on this website that the moderators do away with resolutions that should not be brought before the UN, yet here we are voting on a resolution that frankly the UN should not be voting on.

That rule is generally applied to those proposals including such time-honored clauses as "I RULE THE WORLD!!!" or "asalshlashljdf." You get the idea. Any proposal which is an attempt at being serious (and never mind that little "100+ approvals" hurdle) is usually allowed through. The delegates and member nations have made their voices clearly heard as to whether they believe this proposal is worthy of a vote.

It will cause UN member nations to flee the UN.

So it goes with tyrants. Moral choices are for the people to make, not their despotic lords. I'll admit that this proposal is about as far towards breaking national sovereignty as I'm willing to go, but I believe that the limitation of government is one of the UN's key tasks.

This is a direct infringement on national sovereignty,

Vote against this ruling.

Amen! That's why I put my nice little 5 votes against it.

I support it 8)

Hanford will resign from the UN if this resolution passes, and asks that all nations that voted against this resolution do so as well.

Hanford will resign from the UN if this resolution passes, and asks that all nations that voted against this resolution do so as well.

Ah. So if the minority resigns, clearly the majority will realize the "errors" of their ways? Not likely. Giving one side of an issue the power to dictate legislation free from opposition accomplishes little, if anything. The main reason opinions like yours are not heard in this body is that so many of you resign instead of trying to change things.

And just FYI, if you're going to resign, you might want to change your timing. Any resolution passed while you are a UN member will apply to your nation, as far as the game's coding is concerned; you have to resign before a resolution is passed if you want to avoid its effects. So the path I'd recommend if you do want to resign is to wait until the last day of voting, see if you think the resolution will pass, and take action based on that decision right then and there.

The legalization of prostitution is, like all political decisions, a very touchy subject.

On the one hand, the legalization of prostitution would be a step forward in nowadays-failing individual rights (freedom of expression, and freedom to pursue individual happiness come to mind).

The legalization of it could earn governments tax benefits, while also giving just cause to it's government for forced disease/STD tests on all its persons. If prostitution were not legalized, this forced healt screening would certainly violate their human rights. In turn, Prostitution could save the government money in healthcare.

HOWEVER...

What are these miniscule benefits compared to the solid soveriegnity and individual morality of our great nations?

What of our children?

Are we to allow them to grow up watching a worl immersed in sex and violence, a world which would no doubt be brought by the legalization of prostitution.

Though the legalization of prostitution DOES have benefits, for example financial and even human rights advantages...

...They cannot outweigh the moral degradation that would ensue if this amendment were to pass.

Who are we without our values...?

-Your bothers in Arms, The Almighty Ninja's

Prostitution is at its core the exploitation of women. If you legalize it, you are endorsing a profession that no one enjoys being in. Voting FOR it will only encourage the further exploitation of women and girls.

Should Prostetution be legalized by the UN, the UN goes against everything, it should stand for.
Trienmara will not allow this insane proposition to be carried out within it's borders, should it pass the vote.

To legalize the abuse of women, will NEVER be accepted in Trienmara!!

Trienmara has voted NO!!

The UN will never be the same, if it legalizes prostitution.

I hereby suggest: Women unite, and declare war on the UN, if this should go through... You will be supported by many men - myself included!

Should Prostetution be legalized by the UN, the UN goes against everything, it should stand for.
Trienmara will not allow this insane resolution to be carried out within it's borders, should it pass the vote.

To legalize the abuse of women, will NEVER be accepted in Trienmara!!

Trienmara has voted NO!!

The UN will never be the same, if it legalizes prostitution.

I hereby suggest: Women unite, and declare war on the UN, if this should go through... You will be supported by many men - myself included!

Should Prostetution be legalized by the UN, the UN goes against everything, it should stand for.
Trienmara will not allow this insane resolution to be carried out within it's borders, should it pass the vote.

To legalize the abuse of women, will NEVER be accepted in Trienmara!!

Trienmara has voted NO!!

The UN will never be the same, if it legalizes prostitution.

I hereby suggest: Women unite, and declare war on the UN, if this should go through... You will be supported by many men - myself included!

How does denying women the right to their own bodies help them again?

The Democratic Republic of Cannadda, the world's greatest nation (in terms of Political Freedoms and Civil Rights, we are clearly the benchmark for the rest of this planet) believes that women, and men, should decide what they want to do with their bodies. Anything else...like forcing them to comply to archaic laws, is simply evil.

If this means prostitution, so be it. As a country, we need only concern ourselves with their safety.

Legalizing prostitution is not "the abuse of women".

Should Prostetution be legalized by the UN, the UN goes against everything, it should stand for.
Trienmara will not allow this insane resolution to be carried out within it's borders, should it pass the vote.

To legalize the abuse of women, will NEVER be accepted in Trienmara!!

Trienmara has voted NO!!

The UN will never be the same, if it legalizes prostitution.

I hereby suggest: Women unite, and declare war on the UN, if this should go through... You will be supported by many men - myself included!

How does denying women the right to their own bodies help them again?

The protectorate of Chi-Lu stands by Trienmara and all who opposes this measure. For too long the UN has been manipulated by so called "progressive" nations to their own selfish and immoral ends. We must band together to defeat this measure, and begin to restore the honor and dignity that the United Nations deserves.

I voted AGAINST To see reasons, go to the issue below this entitled: "Legalize prostitution proposal"
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will be voting AGAINST this current resolution.

People can pick up a gun and shoot people randomly*sp, but does it make it right??

The Prostitution "Profession" (if you can call it that) has been known to contribute the spread of HIV , AIDS and other diseases.


VOTE NO!

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Prostitution is at its core the exploitation of women.

They are exploited only if they choose to be -- legalisation of prostitution will make it that much more likely for crimes involving abuse of women to be reported.

If you legalize it, you are endorsing a profession that no one enjoys being in.

I think that's a decision for the people themselves to make, not you. If they believe that their dignity would be hurt by working a particular job, no one can force them to take it. What goes on between consenting adults is not, nor should it be, the government's business.

To legalize the abuse of women, will NEVER be accepted in Trienmara!!

That's good for you. Let's talk about the proposal now, shall we?

What are these miniscule benefits compared to the solid soveriegnity and individual morality of our great nations?

I do not respect or protect the sovereignty of tryants. Human rights are not "miniscule."

What of our children? Are we to allow them to grow up watching a worl immersed in sex and violence, a world which would no doubt be brought by the legalization of prostitution.

Yes, it's a shame when children are made aware not only of the presence of sex, but the concept that it might be enjoyable. Simply terrible and atrocious. Heaven forbid that they ever figure out where they came from.

Let me let you in on a little secret: Most people have sex at some point in their lives. Apparently you don't like that, or something, because that seems to be your moral stance, as far as I can see.

And how would legalizing prostitution bring about crime or violence? Any connection you draw between the two in the modern world is likely reliant on the current illegal nature of the business. Real world states have not seen a rise in crime or violence with the legalization of prostitution.

Though the legalization of prostitution DOES have benefits, for example financial and even human rights advantages...

...They cannot outweigh the moral degradation that would ensue if this amendment were to pass.

Who determines morals? The government or the people? Who rules? The government or the people? The government exists for the sole purpose of serving the people -- I don't see where preventing fully consenting adults from engaging in private business affairs or excercising the ownership of their own bodies comes into that arrangement.

Most of the regions of the Dominion of Los Jimbos have legalized prostitution of one form or another, with various degrees of regulation.

However, we respect the rights of local communities and other nations to make this practice illegal. We live in a broad world with many different cultures, and the so-called "right" to be a prostitute IN A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY is not so pressing that it merits U.N. action.

People who wish to become prostitutes can always emigrate to a region where it is legal. And although this may apparently come as news to many, several million teenage girls are forced to do so due to their economic or political circumstances.

Los Jimbos vehemently opposes this proposal. Whatever "right" one has to engage in prostitution, it does not trump the rights of individual communities and nations to bar the practice.

And although this may apparently come as news to many, several million teenage girls are forced to do so due to their economic or political circumstances.

But that statement implies quite directly that there are people who are in dire need of funds with which no source can or will provide them. Are we to assume that your idea is to just let those people starve?

Whatever "right" one has to engage in prostitution, it does not trump the rights of individual communities and nations to bar the practice.

The people have a right to sovereignty over their own bodies and their own personal affairs, do they not? What use are those rights if they cannot be practiced?

*cough STD cough*

*cough* Then test and regulate you lazy bum. *cough*

I'd also question whether you can demonstrate a real-world correlation between legalization of prostitution and the spread of STDs. I know I sure can't.

Making prostitution illegal would only increase criminality.
It's just like telling a kid to not do it, it's way more exciting to break the rules.

Mataradesh most definitely supports this resolution. I have posted in many similar topics already, so I would appreciate it people posted their arguments against legalizations and I could refute them...

None of the reasons so far have made sense and have already been refuted.

ahem........
The subject of legal prostitution is, as already said, none of the UNs buisness. This is for individual nations do decide. The Un does not have the power or authority to legalize/ban prositution in member nations. The UN cannot hope to enforce this law in its god-knows-how-many member nations. You cannot sweep all countries with the same broom! Since this issue is completely dependent upon an individual country's rights/government/tradition/laws/society/morals/etc. , the Un cannot propose/pass/enforce such a proposal! And that is final! No matter what!

Dixi!
(means "I have spoken")

I hav 2 say i totally disagree with prostitution :? But if the people want 2 they can. I sure as hell wouldn't. :evil:

Making prostitution illegal would only increase criminality.
It's just like telling a kid to not do it, it's way more exciting to break the rules.

I kinda agree with this 2 so ... wot da hel!

The immoral people that partake in this act, and the equally immoral world leaders who vote to legalize it, shall be cast into Hell for eternity upon their death. Thankfully, prostitution and other such crimes are unknown in the Empire of Avios.

The Commonwealth of Aruglia has voted NO on this resolution, and hopes that the fair minded states of the United Nations join her. Do not misunderstand, prostitution has been legal in Aruglia for generations; and Aruglia would certainly try to convince other nations to take that position. However, she would never force them to. Supporting this resolution is akin to supporting the destruction of all ideas of national sovereignty. The supporters of this bill say that they are supporting individual rights; however, there are some rights which belong to the community, and as long as laws covering such issues as prostitution, drug use, etc. are handled by representative bodies, Aruglia accepts them as valid. A person has a human right to their bodies, this is true. But a community has a right to regulate its commerce and its public morality. Whenever there is a case of competing rights, it is the domain of the legislature to balance them, not of the UN.

Firstly, who would oversee the running of legalised prostitution houses. This should be a priority in the creation of a newly "legalised" profession.

Secondly, all "professionals" should undergo a medical examination at regular intervals to avoid or rather limit the spread of STD. If you have no certificate from a state registered medical expert then you cannot operate in your chosen profession.

Thirdly, how can you tax someone on an unrecorded visitation schedule. There must be some kind of turnstile involved to record the amount of clients seen daily. Then a government would require documented proof of exactly what business was carried out during such a visit. I can hardly see many clients being happy to be filmed as proof of earnings can you!

I feel prostitution should be de-criminalised not legalised.

Hey I think that it's a great idea...you know? why not? :twisted: