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Im sorry to say this is sick. Whats going on in the world today? This is just saying lets spreed AIDs to everyone. I think that they should find a job, a real job. Go back to school and get to learning again. Is this world is going to be a place where you just have fun and do what you want, where no body is going to yell at you if you do something wrong and your wife or husband will say "Yes cheet on me." WAKE UP. You are not a five year old where the world is made up of gum drops and lollie pops. Its not hard to go to school or work at a Burger King. Say NO to prostitution because people should learn to get a job and not fool around.

Peach Cobbler :|

Pathetic. Have you ever considered the 3rd world nations that are living in terrible conditions, with no other alternative? Didn't think so.

Pathetic! Your pathetic, being poor is no excuse to sell your body. Maybe you don't live by the sacred honor that I pray all men do. There are some things that are cast in Black and white. Paying for sex is wrong. We all know it. Laws made by the free countries of nation states and the real world are made to protect civilization. The core of all civilizations is the family unit. Prostitution is obviously harmful to the family unit and therefore dangerous to civilization. Maybe you'll find that 3rd world countries don't create prostitution, but that the prostitution creates these 3rd world countries.

Pathetic! Your pathetic, being poor is no excuse to sell your body. Maybe you don't live by the sacred honor that I pray all men do. There are some things that are cast in Black and white. Paying for sex is wrong. We all know it. Laws made by the free countries of nation states and the real world are made to protect civilization. The core of all civilizations is the family unit. Prostitution is obviously harmful to the family unit and therefore dangerous to civilization. Maybe you'll find that 3rd world countries don't create prostitution, but that the prostitution creates these 3rd world countries.

Pathetic! Your pathetic, being poor is no excuse to sell your body. Maybe you don't live by the sacred honor that I pray all men do. There are some things that are cast in Black and white. Paying for sex is wrong. We all know it. Laws made by the free countries of nation states and the real world are made to protect civilization. The core of all civilizations is the family unit. Prostitution is obviously harmful to the family unit and therefore dangerous to civilization. Maybe you'll find that 3rd world countries don't create prostitution, but that the prostitution creates these 3rd world countries.

What's pathetic is a sheer violation of individual rights just because it doesn't sit well with you, commie.

What is pathetic is this anti-sex puritanism borne of self-hatred. Prostitution can be and has been considered an important and respected part of society, and the nation of Alsanchia sees those skilled in the sensual arts as professionals, providing an essential service. Physical intimacy is as important to a healthy life as excercise, food and sleep, and so the nation of Alsanchia understands that there will be a demand for such services.

Concerning the issue of morality, the nation of Alsanchia holds that it is immoral for the government to prohibit consenting adults from entering into any relations they so desire.


WAKE UP. You are not a five year old where the world is made up of gum drops and lollie pops.

WAKE UP and realize that the world is constructed in the manner we so desire - it has no inherent qualities. We define the world, and Alsanchia understands that your highbrow moralizing is not necessary, but rather reflects your views not on how the world 'is', but how the world should be, and the nation of Alsanchia respectfully finds your views abhorrent and absurd.

Let me ask you a question.... What would you do if you knew your 15 year old daughter, nay, 10 year old daughter was selling herself to men old enough to be her father, and perhaps grandfather? That is what would happen if this bill were put into effect. Just focusing on teens or preteens, they would sell themselves to get a quick $20 to buy that new Hilary Duff CD. Would you want that? Would you want your preteen/teen son sleeping with his peers and paying for it? Worse yet, would you want him sleeping with someone old enough to be his mother, or grandmother?

And what I dont get is prostitution in 3rd world countries is a poor person recieving money, at a great chance of contracting an STD (the prostitute), and a poor person paying for it, and having a great risk ofcontracting an STD (the 'custumer'). So its really making some of the poor poorer and some of the poor a little richer, both suffering a great chance of dying. Do we really need this?

Ridiculous! Why should the age of legal sex suddenly be null and void due to prostitution being legalised? It will still be illegal for adults to have sex with minors - and with legalised prostitution, underage sex will hopefully be policed better.

Im sorry to say this is sick. Whats going on in the world today? This is just saying lets spreed AIDs to everyone.

No, that would be 'let's spread aids to everyone'. That's a different resolution entirely, passed long before you joined.

What I imagine you mean, is that legalised prostiution will eventually spread aids to everyone. Somehow I don't see it. Let us assume for a moment that all prostitutes have aids. They do not, but let's stretch the truth a little. It is not compulsory to sleep with a prostitute, just because it is legal. Neither is it the case that as soon as prositution becomes legal, everyone will use their services. We at Albion Soviets had legalised prostiution long ago. Most of us have far better things to do than use one, like having fun with our partners, who care about us rather than despising us for degrading them for money.



I think that they should find a job, a real job.

A real job being whatever you say it is. Well, until you are overlord of the entire world, your rambling whims will not be converted into UN law.



Is this world is going to be a place where you just have fun and do what you want, where no body is going to yell at you if you do something wrong and your wife or husband will say "Yes cheet on me." WAKE UP.


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Do you mean that being a prostitue is fun? I rather think that for most prostitutes it is not fun. I certainly wouldn't want to fuck 99% of the slimey, nasty, boring, ugly and weird punters that use a prostitues services. Do you mean that infidelity is aganist the law? Not in the UN its not. There is no anti affair law in the UN. Maybe you meant something else. Its hard to tell.


You are not a five year old where the world is made up of gum drops and lollie pops.

I might be!


Its not hard to go to school or work at a Burger King.
I rather think that it is. Its terrible work, working at Burger King. In any case, have you seen how much money prostiutes make? More than at Burger King, which we don't even have here at Albion Soviets. We have Burger Citizen instead. It's a workers cooperative. I never eat there, I'm a veggie and the veggie burgers are terrible. Can't stand that soya rubbish.

Firstly a lot of these responses trying to convince us to NOT pass this new UN resolution are based in moral and/or religious reasons. Who are you to say that your religion and/or morals are those that then entire UN member states MUST have. If the majority of the member states do have this belief then you have nothing to worry about. YOu can quit casting dispersions and go about your daily lives in peace knowing you tried to rid the world of this terrible scourge. Enoggera Park may have a different moral code regarding something like eating meat, but we wouldn't wish to enforce that on the entireity of the UN.

Secondly if prostitution is the scourge some of you believe it is, it would make MORE sense to legalise it and keep close regulations on the industry. This is most probably the only way (or most probably) way to keep check on the spread of STDs that you foresee in prostitution. Because obviously keeping it illegal is NOT stopping people performing these services. Legalising prostitution and keeping it well regulated is the only way to keep check on STD transferral and the violence that can be associated with prostitution.

Thirdly, for a person to get a job in a Burger King, they need to be paid a decent wage. They also need to have a decent amount of education and opportunities to obtain the job in the firstplace. Not many utopia's exist where people have this level playing field. And, if the prostitutes as it seems to have been alleged are all destitute women from the developing world this sort of high return business might be the only way for a sole breadwinner to feed an entire family.

Stop and think about the other side of the coin before judging anothers actions. Until you've been so destitute and had no other option but to prostitute yourself, you can't cast the sort of judgements of stds and apathy that seems to have been announced, I would hope that you wouldn't believe to have the defining moral call on the issue.

I hope that countires would vote for this resolution if only to ensure the check of spread of STDs and to ensure the protection of some of the prostitutes in our world.

The current Central Committee of the Supreme Soviet of Albion commends Enoggera Park for their level headed and rational arguments.

The High Parliament Of The Celestine Monarchy Of Draegos Commends The Leader Of Enoggera Park as well, His views on Proposals are astounding, to say the least. Draegan's hat's are off to you!

What's pathetic is how so many of you are overlooking the incredible economic potential of legalized prostitution.

For too long now, the world's oldest profession has also been the world's most inefficiently and ineffectively-marketed one. With full legalization, the best minds of the business world can finally start applying the rules of Madison Avenue to Basin Street. Just imagine: hotels and airlines could actually provide full service to their first-class customers (this would also spur economy-class customers to earn frequent-flyer points for the upgrades). At the other end of the spectrum, I envision franchises of low-cost, quick-service McDonalds-style boutiques in every neighborhood in the country. I see sporting event sponsorships, movie product placements, and celebrity endorsements. I see a fantastic opportunity to build a trillion-dollar industry overnight.

That's the funniest proposition I've heard in a long time. Just imagine the ads:
"Hi, I'm Ben Affleck, and my years-long relationship just ended because I slept with too many hookers. Use Beth's Brothel, and you'll be able to get rid of unwanted women too!"

Heheh.

but why how is selling sex any different from selling you work power? its a legitimate profession (or at least shud be) and theres no reason not to. my body is mine and i will damn well do what i please with it.

sides, it aint as if there arent gonna be laws about this.

Dating is legalized prostitution. Think about it, you take someone out and pay for their dinner, movie, or whatever you do. You are expecting something in return. Ergo you pay for that something you're expecting later, and if you don't pay for it, then your date is giving it away for free which makes them a whore, or slut, whatever you want to call it. :twisted:

The Free Land of Kalenstein supports the resolution in principle, but it has weaknesses which will force us to vote against it.

I. It is true not all prostitutes have HIV or any other STD. However, their job puts them at high risk for contracting an STD from a customer and perhaps later passing it to another customer or the prostitute's own domestic partner. There is no provision about using protection to prevent the spread of disease. Kalenstein believes the resolution needs one.

II. Wearing protection is good, but it isn't 100 percent effective. The prostitutes must be given regular physical examinations to ensure they are healthy -- for their own sake and for their clients'. Obviously, many of the prostitutes will be of the lower income bracket. Therefore, it should be in the resolution that the brothel and individual prostitute register with the government in which they reside which will subsidize some of the cost for the physical. Kalenstein beleives that if one is found to have an STD it should be up to the brothel or individual to pay for treatment, but we are willing to work on another resolution.

Conclusion: The Free Land of Kalenstein believes the resolution is too weak in its current form and will vote against the resolution.

Aiki Hawkeye
Prime Minister
Free Land of Kalenstein

Exactly how is dating prostitution? What does expect in return for these services? If someone paid a prostitute money, then they would both expect something in return, but that's not how prostitution works. First someone pays the prostitute, then the person has sex with her. Those are her services. But how does the person paying serve the prostitute?

The problem I find with prostitution is that a person is paying for something someone can get for free. That's just sad in either case, getting pleasure or getting money from one's misfortune.

I noticed something about the legal age. If prostitution becomes legalized, is it not possible for the legal age to become lower? It would certainly help poor families if it was legal for your pre-teen daughter to sleep around so the family could have a few extra bucks. But would their family want that?

Exactly how is dating prostitution? What does expect in return for these services? If someone paid a prostitute money, then they would both expect something in return, but that's not how prostitution works. First someone pays the prostitute, then the person has sex with her. Those are her services. But how does the person paying serve the prostitute?

The problem I find with prostitution is that a person is paying for something someone can get for free. That's just sad in either case, getting pleasure or getting money from one's misfortune.

I noticed something about the legal age. If prostitution becomes legalized, is it not possible for the legal age to become lower? It would certainly help poor families if it was legal for your pre-teen daughter to sleep around so the family could have a few extra bucks. But would their family want that?

This resolution is not going to force all poor families to prostitute their sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers. It will protect those men and women who work in the sex industry against any abuses in the workplace.

How is prostitution different from modelling? You are still 'selling' your body, aren't you?

There is no provision about using protection to prevent the spread of disease. Kalenstein believes the resolution needs one.

No problem, add one in your nationstates legislature. Of course, anyone working as a prostitute SHOULD use these methods anyways.

The prostitutes must be given regular physical examinations to ensure they are healthy -- for their own sake and for their clients'.

Exactly, legalising it would make it a corporate affair ( as I mentioned in my post on DOWN WITH PROSTITUTION thread). A corporate brothel would probably have medical services on staff to tend to the workers. They'd also likely get security measures to deal with unruly/abusive clients (unless the prostitue's clause has abuse in her contract, which would be higher risk/higher pay, but completely optional)

Obviously, many of the prostitutes will be of the lower income bracket. Therefore, it should be in the resolution that the brothel and individual prostitute register with the government in which they reside which will subsidize some of the cost for the physical.

This resoloution is open-ended and allows the country to add provisos. This is actually the FIRST of the last FOUR that 'needs more regulation' that actually allows for more legislation the way it's worded.

Your country could add a clause to your laws saying "Pristitution is legal provided that 1) the client is not married, 2) the worker is registered with a recognised brothel..." etc. It's still LEGAL, you just put clauses on it.

Kalenstein beleives that if one is found to have an STD it should be up to the brothel or individual to pay for treatment, but we are willing to work on another resolution.

I concur. It would be considered a 'work related disability'. Also, wouldn't it make sense for Workers who have AIDS to offer services to clients who also have AIDS? No sense saying they 'can't work' but it should be clear to all clients that this worker has AIDS so that a non-AIDS client knows not to engage in their services.

Again, this could be added in your nationstate's internal policy (it will be in New Eriu) to have brothels maintain such things in the record or profile of each worker.

Conclusion: The Free Land of Kalenstein believes the resolution is too weak in its current form and will vote against the resolution.

And I believe that it's exactly because it's loose that it's perfect. If we regulated everything in the proposal, it would give governments less options to regulate it as they see fit, and may cause MORE problems than currently.

personally i dont care either way on this issue, however i voted yes as legalization will allow better control of the industry, and with regulation it wont result in the massive spread of stds

legalizing it would only mean MORE people would be doing it, and more STDs would be spread. if this proposal had a system to help regulate it, i would support it. instead, it is an STD-spreading terror.

Im sorry to say this is sick. Whats going on in the world today? This is just saying lets spreed AIDs to everyone.Peach Cobbler :|

what would be a good idea is for government to formalize prostitution and treat it as a genuine occupation. Have prostitutes take mandatory drug tests, this should deter from the spread of STDs. (Plus the client is taking their own risk too, if your too much of a loser to get sex the normal way, then that's your problem) No ones forcing you to have sex with a prostitute, and people should use protection regardless.

Plus we can tax it and make lots of money off of it!

The very idea of the legalization of prostitution is an abomination.

"Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction." Thomas Jefferson

Voof-land has spoken.

the PR of Wookumbumble have no objection to this bill, and cannot see what all the fuss is about. Sex is just another sevice that can be sold, and legalisation is the best way to regulate it and ensure its (ahem) standard for the public.

Prostitution has been legalized in the netherlands for years and it is going very well. Prostitutes are being tested for STD's, protected from pimps, they pay taxes and are insured for healthcare, whats wrong with that.
Criminalising prostitution just makes it more dangerous, because women have less rights. In the netherlands prostitution is really well controlled which makes it harder for underage people to get into it.

In response to the anti-prostitution post, I've heard a lot of words thrown at the idea of the complete legalization of prostitution. Words like "Immoral" "an abomination" things like that. Most all leaning on the fact that selling your body by means of sex is wrong. But, this doesn't hold water. Whats so wrong about it? Sex is not a fundamentally bad thing. Many people these days don't see that. Not to mention the fact that people are able to choose what to do with their own bodies. If they really want to be selling sex, why not let them? Isn't that their own problem? Sure there are other ways, but if they don't like the alternatives, why is that our business?

Criminalising prostitution just makes it more dangerous, because women have less rights. In the netherlands prostitution is really well controlled which makes it harder for underage people to get into it.
Does that mean that robbing banks should be legal? I mean, if they were legal, robbing them would be less dangerous, right? :lol:

Does that mean that robbing banks should be legal? I mean, if they were legal, robbing them would be less dangerous, right? :lol:

I see that the razor sharp sword of saracasm has been unsheathed. What fun.