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Come on guys. do we really need to legalize prostitution? I don't know about you guys but i want our world to be venerial disease free. think of the oppurtunities to save lives of your citizens on this vote. I'm the Premier of Breenak and i say we vote NO for the current resolution! :o

I am against this silly proposal but not for your reasons.
If making prostitution illegal eradicated verereal disease, why do we have so much VD now?

I say that prostitution should be legalized and controlled this way, no one has to go to jail and only disease free prostitutes will be allowed :D

I say that prostitution should be legalized and controlled this way, no one has to go to jail and only disease free prostitutes will be allowed :D

How did this proposal even make it to the floor? And why the hell are people voting for it? Such a waste of the UN's time.....

Christoph Vladinov
UN Ambassador of Yshurak

It's such a crying shame that people are voting for this. What has the world come to? Honestly.

How did this proposal even make it to the floor? And why the hell are people voting for it? Such a waste of the UN's time.....

Christoph Vladinov
UN Ambassador of Yshurak

It's about a general right of people to their own bodies. I can't think of many issues bigger than that.

Its always been legal in Trambilika where would society be with out Courtesans

This just isn't a silly proposal. It's a sick and disgusting way to promote women as objects, not real people who have to work as hard (or maybe that’s harder) than men to gain even a foothold in some societies. The sex trade is exactly what it sounds like, a trade. The bartering of the less fortunate for duties that a loved one or a spouse is to help provide. It sickens me to see people such as yourselves help ruin society. It is in a state that we shouldn't even have to think about legalizing prostitution.

I put forth a motion that the moderator of this game ban this sick and demeaning resolution and give the barbaric and sick-minded author a warning about what is appropriate in a civilized society.

Vlad the Leader
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This just isn't a silly proposal. It's a sick and disgusting way to promote women as objects, not real people who have to work as hard (or maybe that’s harder) than men to gain even a foothold in some societies. The sex trade is exactly what it sounds like, a trade. The bartering of the less fortunate for duties that a loved one or a spouse is to help provide. It sickens me to see people such as yourselves help ruin society. It is in a state that we shouldn't even have to think about legalizing prostitution.

I put forth a motion that the moderator of this game ban this sick and demeaning resolution and give the barbaric and sick-minded author a warning about what is appropriate in a civilized society.

Vlad the Leader
:x

You claim to promote the rights of women, yet you would deny them the very RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODIES? That's the most fundamental right and the most closely related to the right to life.

What is most appropriate to a free and civil society is unrestricted public discourse to create better solutions and better promote human rights.

As the UN Representative for Istar I hereby declare the proposal to be both sick and foul and an insult to the Gods of Light. Only Wicked Servants of Evil and monsters like ogres or goblins would ever vote yes to this proposal. As requested by His Holiness the Kingpriest I will vote "No" to this most sinful act.


High Priest Nadar Zendar
Offical UN Representative of the Eternal Holy Star Empire of Istar
In the UN so the Kingpriest doesn’t have to join
The Protectorate of Istar UN Office

As the UN Representative for Istar I hereby declare the proposal to be both sick and foul and an insult to the Gods of Light. Only Wicked Servants of Evil and monsters like ogres or goblins would ever vote yes to this proposal. As requested by His Holiness the Kingpriest I will vote "No" to this most sinful act.


High Priest Nadar Zendar
Offical UN Representative of the Eternal Holy Star Empire of Istar
In the UN so the Kingpriest doesn’t have to join
The Protectorate of Istar UN Office

why cant women have the right to sell their bodies willingly? are you against free will as well? we'll see what you say kingpriest when the fiery mountians drop on your head :).

Don't attack freedom. The government has no right to exist, let alone control sexuality. The real solution to prostitution is to eliminate capitalism.

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If you are speaking of the actions of Beldinas the Pilofiro over 3000 years ago that nearly brought about the destruction of Istar then you are sort of right, but he was stopped by St. Soth the Redeemed.

OOC: My version of Istar is one in which Beldinas was stopped by Lord Soth from causing the Cataclysm and Istar was not destroyed and after a hundred years of chaotic wars the Balance was restored and the Age of Balance, the Fourth Age began. Istar now rules all of Krynn except for the Kender nations (no one is dumb enough to try and impose any sort of order there) and the Wasted Continent, the last domain of Darkness on Krynn.


High Priest Nadar Zendar
Official UN Representative of the Eternal Holy Star Empire of Istar
In the UN so the Kingpriest doesn’t have to join
The Protectorate of Istar UN Office

Say no to Pay per Sex

Say no to Pay per Sex

You always have the pay for sex. Maybe the cost is a dinner and a movie. Maybe it's a bouquet of flowers. Maybe it's a wedding. Maybe it's a prom date. The only way you can get out of paying for sex is through rape.

If prostitution is so necessary, why not allow the government to regulate the women, places, and costs (with, of course, a healthy tax...after all, if they have the leisure money to spend on frivolities, they can help to fund programs for the needier)? Only something as pervasive as a government control could assure the people received the services they needed, while maintaining a level of quality high enough to keep them from dying afterwards.

In fact, tax revenue could be put towards funding prostitution, helping to drastically lower, if not eliminate entirely, the costs to the layperson.

Think of it...a happier, less-stressful workforce, producing more and enriching the GDP (not to mention the boost to tourism such an industry would provide).

All nations are free to make laws within their borders as they see fit, but no nation can decide what is right for every nation.

All cultures are free to have their own moral beliefs, but no culture should impose those morals on another.

The Dominion of Kwajalein feels that prostitution, (likewise drugs, gambling, and other 'vices') is better handled by the government rather than the criminal element of our society. Prohibition does not make these things go away - instead it makes them more dangerous and harder to control.

prostitution being illegal is just one more law that the gov't [unsucessfully] has to waste money to try and reinforce. it isn't even a political issue! it's a social issue and people should be allowed to make their own choices as to what they do with their bodies. i'm not saying that they should be able to run naked in the streets, but legalizing prostitution is just helping the economy and people who have no other real choices left.

It's such a crying shame that people are voting for this. What has the world come to? Honestly.
THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE!

We're against this resolution. Not for morality purposes, but for general public health. STDs are increasing at a rapid pace as it is, legalizing prostitution thousands of nations will boost that number drastically. Is this what you want?

-- NG UN Rep.

I'm voting for it because I don't see what's wrong with it. People think its immoral because its illegal in almost all real countries. But hey it might get interesting. This might be the 1st resolution the UN has ever voted down! Maybe that's why they put it through.

I'm in favor, mostly because my country has socialized medicine- that throws the whole "health costs" argument out the window.

As for morality, well, it's not the job of the government to legislate morality.

Some of you may not have a religion, so i am gonna bring this argument to a head: Is it moral for some hoe to sell her body to someone to make a 150$ or whatever profit? Isn't sex much more than just a common thing. It's supposed to be a sacred and personal act between a man and a woman, who love each other and are both married. Now i do not like having to vote on stupid issues like this one, but it's the UN so they are gonna come up. but i will say that breenak will officially consider resigning from the United Nations community if this resolution is passed. :x

Some of you may not have a religion, so i am gonna bring this argument to a head: Is it moral for some hoe to sell her body to someone to make a 150$ or whatever profit? Isn't sex much more than just a common thing. It's supposed to be a sacred and personal act between a man and a woman, who love each other and are both married. Now i do not like having to vote on stupid issues like this one, but it's the UN so they are gonna come up. but i will say that breenak will officially consider resigning from the United Nations community if this resolution is passed. :x

I pose this question in response: have all humans not been endowed with the gift of Free Will, in which they may choose to do what they want with their bodies?

You can argue that legalizing prostitution is immoral, but I can also argue (with the above question) that banning prostitution is also immoral...

Now, I'd also challenge you on your definition of morals...are there absolute morals we must adhere to? If so, where do they come from? I'd argue that most morals are relative, and a product of the society that breeds them...what is considered moral in contemporary society might not have been considered moral in, say, the Middle Ages.

Therefore, what one country might perceive as being moral may be different to your own...so the moral argument isn't really as strong as it's painted out to be, in my own opinion.

I personally believe that the only way a government can pass effective legislation, keeping in mind the best interests of its people (assuming that this is a legitimate government which is working as a device to serve the people, though this is not always the case), separating Church and State is ideal...

What situation is better for your people: a society where prostitution is legal, or a society where prostitution is illegal?

If you're truly adamant about banning prostitution, you could simply pass legislation to discourage it in your country...tactics such as those are common in order to enforce specific ideas while evading the law...

Ou Yasen
Son of Heaven, Imperial Shogun, Regian Corner of the World U.N. Delegate

This just isn't a silly proposal. It's a sick and disgusting way to promote women as objects, not real people who have to work as hard (or maybe that’s harder) than men to gain even a foothold in some societies. The sex trade is exactly what it sounds like, a trade. The bartering of the less fortunate for duties that a loved one or a spouse is to help provide. It sickens me to see people such as yourselves help ruin society. It is in a state that we shouldn't even have to think about legalizing prostitution.

I put forth a motion that the moderator of this game ban this sick and demeaning resolution and give the barbaric and sick-minded author a warning about what is appropriate in a civilized society.

Vlad the Leader
:x

That would be me.

Honestly, why'd I even bother coming to this site?

:(

All nations are free to make laws within their borders as they see fit, but no nation can decide what is right for every nation.

Then why are you participating in a world governing body?

I, for one, would not like to see this resolution pass, but not because of the issue itself. I would actually legalize prostitution within the boundaries of my own nation, but I do not see this law particularly fitting with the role of the United Nations itself.

And while the United Nations does have a vested interest in preserving basic human rights around the world, this resolution goes beyond the bounds of preserving human rights, instead dictating to every member nation a singular ideal that is not for everyone.

Those of you who claim that to deny this law is to deny the right to one's own body and suppress human rights. And you have a good argument. But by supporting this resolution, do you not also deny those very same people the right to choose not to support such lifestyles and industries (which will affect them, directly or indirectly) within their nation's boundaries?

I believe it should be up to the individual nations, and not the UN, to determine the legality of prostitution within their own borders. That is why I do not support this resolution, and that is why I ask that others do not.

All nations are free to make laws within their borders as they see fit, but no nation can decide what is right for every nation.

Then why are you participating in a world governing body?

There are some things that some of us believe are to the benefit of all on this world, and we would like to lend our support to them as we see fit. And while we may have to accept changes that we do not like, we also have the chance, the hope, the belief that some greater good will emerge through our efforts.

Prostitutes are not legally allowed to walk the streets in Haribo Bear, but they can set up brothels or massage parlours and work from there. This is fine, as the girls are not at risk (there is always a couple of male security guards around, and all the rooms are always fitted with alarms). In our country, brothels and massage parlours can also make money by selling videos and dvds of the "sessions". Each room is set up with a camera, and, with the consent of both parties, are filmed throughout. This brings in lots of money for everyone concerned (and we can tax them as well!! :D )

So legalise brothels and massage parlous, but don't legalise streetwalking.

We're against this resolution. Not for morality purposes, but for general public health. STDs are increasing at a rapid pace as it is, legalizing prostitution thousands of nations will boost that number drastically. Is this what you want?

-- NG UN Rep.

Legalizing prostitution would allow prostitutes to get tested. Also they would work in respected brothels that offer testing rather than for pimps on the street. In the state of Nevada, where prostitution is legal, far fewer prostitutes are infected with STDs.

It's the same deal with drugs. Before drugs were abolished in the 1910s, there was much lower addicition rates and almost no drug-related crime.

Well, for one thing, the world has become somewhat more civilized. Yes, we still have things like the holocaust, but we don't use torture, we don't have slaves or surfs. Morals are designed to adhere and conform to the time of that age. You can't tell me that not legalizing prostitution is immoral. If so, then, what if some hoe had aids and started having sex on the street with people! Aids would spread, thats one reason why i am against this resolution. And if you had the prostitutes with aids kept from having sex and spreading it, doesn't that fall under your so called "immoral" catogory? I mean, like somebody said earlier in this thread, "everyone has free will.". ok so then if you legalize prostitution for ppl without std's then you have to for the ones with std's! There is no getting around it.

Well, for one thing, the world has become somewhat more civilized. Yes, we still have things like the holocaust, but we don't use torture, we don't have slaves or surfs. Morals are designed to adhere and conform to the time of that age. You can't tell me that not legalizing prostitution is immoral. If so, then, what if some hoe had aids and started having sex on the street with people! Aids would spread, thats one reason why i am against this resolution. And if you had the prostitutes with aids kept from having sex and spreading it, doesn't that fall under your so called "immoral" catogory? I mean, like somebody said earlier in this thread, "everyone has free will.". ok so then if you legalize prostitution for ppl without std's then you have to for the ones with std's! There is no getting around it.

Well, for one thing, the world has become somewhat more civilized. Yes, we still have things like the holocaust, but we don't use torture, we don't have slaves or surfs. Morals are designed to adhere and conform to the time of that age. You can't tell me that not legalizing prostitution is immoral. If so, then, what if some hoe had aids and started having sex on the street with people! Aids would spread, thats one reason why i am against this resolution. And if you had the prostitutes with aids kept from having sex and spreading it, doesn't that fall under your so called "immoral" catogory? I mean, like somebody said earlier in this thread, "everyone has free will.". ok so then if you legalize prostitution for ppl without std's then you have to for the ones with std's! There is no getting around it.

Well, for one thing, the world has become somewhat more civilized. Yes, we still have things like the holocaust, but we don't use torture, we don't have slaves or surfs. Morals are designed to adhere and conform to the time of that age. You can't tell me that not legalizing prostitution is immoral. If so, then, what if some hoe had aids and started having sex on the street with people! Aids would spread, thats one reason why i am against this resolution. And if you had the prostitutes with aids kept from having sex and spreading it, doesn't that fall under your so called "immoral" catogory? I mean, like somebody said earlier in this thread, "everyone has free will.". ok so then if you legalize prostitution for ppl without std's then you have to for the ones with std's! There is no getting around it.

Well, for one thing, the world has become somewhat more civilized. Yes, we still have things like the holocaust, but we don't use torture, we don't have slaves or surfs. Morals are designed to adhere and conform to the time of that age. You can't tell me that not legalizing prostitution is immoral. If so, then, what if some hoe had aids and started having sex on the street with people! Aids would spread, thats one reason why i am against this resolution. And if you had the prostitutes with aids kept from having sex and spreading it, doesn't that fall under your so called "immoral" catogory? I mean, like somebody said earlier in this thread, "everyone has free will.". ok so then if you legalize prostitution for ppl without std's then you have to for the ones with std's! There is no getting around it.

prostitution is sick and immoral, i have resigned from the un in disgust at this motion

Stop talking about free will! Prostitution is not a choice, it's a last ditch effort to get money. Because women are exploited and overlooked in the job market, they're forced to sell their bodies for money as a last stand. This proposal will only further the belief that women are objects and spread STDs. No. Vote AGAINST this proposal now and vote for something that'll actually solve the problem, like outlawing capitalism.

Cristoph Vladinov
UN Ambassador of Yshurak

judging by the UN's history, every proposal is adopted.

The problem lies not with those who propose, but with those who vote and do not.

Yshurak has a point. Capitalism is largely to blame for prostitution.

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Prostitution isn't immoral at all. Not all prostitutes are poor people trying to scrape together a living. Looking at history, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that some prostitutes are quite wealthy. I don't have statistics in America, but the richest woman in Rome for a few years was a prostitute.

Stop talking about free will! Prostitution is not a choice, it's a last ditch effort to get money. Because women are exploited and overlooked in the job market, they're forced to sell their bodies for money as a last stand. This proposal will only further the belief that women are objects and spread STDs. No. Vote AGAINST this proposal now and vote for something that'll actually solve the problem, like outlawing capitalism.

Cristoph Vladinov
UN Ambassador of Yshurak

Yes, I agree.. women are left with quite a bad hand in life, they are poor because men take all the jobs then they get the women pregnant and leave! Wow what a great existance, poor and bringing a new life into the world. Sure prostitution is an easy out.. but it will only get worse. Yshurak is right.. we need a solution not more prostitution.

The only people voting for prostitution are men that cannot "get any"...lol.

Prostitution does not prove free will. The UN would not be restricting sexual activity in any way if this proposal doesnt go through.. people can do whatever they want with their bodies.. just cannot get paid for it. There's a BIG difference!

If we got rid of capitalism, the poverty that causes prostitution would disappear, thus reducing it and removing the oppression of capitalists, rather than increasing the oppression of the state as many suggest.

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If we got rid of capitalism, the poverty that causes prostitution would disappear, thus reducing it and removing the oppression of capitalists, rather than increasing the oppression of the state as many suggest.

How would poverty disappear? Poverty existed long before capitalism did. In fact, poverty has been the natural state of man. People have empirically only been lifted out of poverty through relatively free-market economies, if not always pure capitalist.

i may not be a member of the UN but my opinion is just as good as anybodys. prostituion is wrong. and dont talk to me about civil rights because i know them. in my nation i fully aprove of civil rights. i strongly suggest that you vote no on this very important issue. Verities not all men are like this. me being a man could innfluence what i just said but you cant say that all men are like that. :) wemon are great and i believe that thaey should be respected in all way. but when a women sell herself on the street ( and thats what they and ultimatly doing) just so they can earn money to pay the rent or whatever thats wrong and demoralizing. if you are poor that why there is welfare. but this is just my belief and even though this nations thing is all fake this is my belief and i firmly stand by it.

I don't think it is sick (as some have said) to address this issue. I am not sure whether to vote for or against the legalisation of prostitution, but i'd like to consider the issue. I think the issue would best be addressed by each nation separately rather than by the U.N.

CONSIDERING THE ISSUE:
There are some important things to consider with this issue i think.
Is legalisation of prostitution improving our civil rights? If so, is it also helping to improve the quality of life of the people affected?
I'm not exactly sure what the answer would be to these questions, but it seems the global community has more freedom to choose whether to be involved in this practice or not. Also, it may mean that certain people can earn a living more easily than they might have had prostitution been illegal. I would expect that people who have need to use the prostitution service would benefit also by not being seen as criminals by society.

However, i think that the industry would need tight regulations as many other industries need, to function properly. Can anyone add any other arguments as to why prostitution should not be legalised?
I am interested to know what you would do with people who will engage illegally in this profession. How would we deal with these "criminals"? What other options are there for people needing the services of prostitutes?

This just isn't a silly proposal. It's a sick and disgusting way to promote women as objects, not real people who have to work as hard (or maybe that’s harder) than men to gain even a foothold in some societies. The sex trade is exactly what it sounds like, a trade. The bartering of the less fortunate for duties that a loved one or a spouse is to help provide. It sickens me to see people such as yourselves help ruin society. It is in a state that we shouldn't even have to think about legalizing prostitution.

I put forth a motion that the moderator of this game ban this sick and demeaning resolution and give the barbaric and sick-minded author a warning about what is appropriate in a civilized society.

Vlad the Leader
:x

That would be me.

Honestly, why'd I even bother coming to this site?

:(

Perhaps you came here because you wanted to share the good things of The People's Republic of Kepone. The path you have chosen, pacifist rather than military, is a fine example to your sister nations. Perhaps your proposal was a very sincere, if very misguided, way to say "Make love, not war."

Just because you considered neither the implications of your proposal, nor the abusive nature of the industry you would require nations to adopt, this does not mean that you are not a fine leader. "Freedom of Choice" means the freedom to choose poorly. This means freedom to learn and to grow.

Although I and all rational people must oppose your misguided proposal, I spread my arms out to your nation as a friend, O Kepone.

Just say NO to Pay per Sex

Oh boy legalizing hores to beable to run in the streets and pick up losers who need a life. How's that going to gain more moeny for the goverment? The most it will do is increase crime rates and it will set the goverment back a couple of millon from damge costs. Be sides that prostitutes are slobs who need to seek for help. What needs to be done is programs need to be started so the poor can gain money easyier. It would be cheeper than Legalizing the proposal :(

The corporate empire of Kelh is all in favor of this proposal for various reasons. As we see it prostitution is not limited to women (both sexes in our empire have the same civil/political rights). So both men and women can legally obtain a license to work as prostitute. This also guaratees that there won't be any threats to public health because it is mandatory for them to undergo periodical medical tests in order to obtain an extention of their license. These activities are also subject to taxing.

This also guaratees that there won't be any threats to public health because it is mandatory for them to undergo periodical medical tests in order to obtain an extention of their license. These activities are also subject to taxing.

Day one-get tested & go to work...catch deadly debilitating disease.
Day2-4...spread said disease
Day 5-get tested.

How many were infecterd from onset of STD to testing?

There's no way to completely stop prostitution. There's just not really all that much you can do. You can outlaw it, and enforce this policy vehemently, but it's very difficult to stop all prostitution, as is the case with just about any crime. However, if you legalise prostitution, you can regulate it. Not only can taxes then be collected, but practises can be regulated. For example, you could require prostitutes to routinely be tested for venerial diseases. Since people would not want to be infected with a venerial disease, they would be more likely to go to a safe prostitute, thus pressuring prostitutes to try to prevent the spread of these diseases.

Poor women normally badly abused as prostitutes could also be helped by the legalisation of prostitution. This would allow actions to be taken to prevent much abuse to the women. It would be much more difficult for pimps to take advantage of them. There could be security preventing people from abusing them. All in all, much could be done to protect them.

The big debate here really lies in a question of morality. Is it moral for a woman to sell sex for money? I, personally, would say yes. They are simply providing a service for people and being paid for it. I see nothing really wrong with it, and I do see something with restricting the freedom of women to do what they wish with their bodies. That, not letting them make their own decisions, is more degrading than allowing them to.

A lot of it just comes down to religious issues. I don't have much to say about this, being agnostic, but it definitely could be a problem in some nations. I think I would probably agree with Seranine that This type of issue should be resolved in individual countries rather than by an international government. However, there is not really a more appropriate place for this, as only certain, pre-written legislature can be passed by an individual country. The only place to have something like this is in the UN. You can see from the history of resolutions it has passed that many other similar types of things are brought to the UN and passed. I see no reason why this should be any different.

For these reasons, the Grand Duchy of Flying Fish Bob has voted for the UN resolution.

Stop talking about free will! Prostitution is not a choice, it's a last ditch effort to get money. Because women are exploited and overlooked in the job market, they're forced to sell their bodies for money as a last stand. This proposal will only further the belief that women are objects and spread STDs. No. Vote AGAINST this proposal now and vote for something that'll actually solve the problem, like outlawing capitalism.

Prostitution has existed under virtually every economic system known to man, and those involved (not always women) engage in it for a number of reasons. If you'd wish to eliminate prostitution, you'd need to outlaw libido, not capitalism.

Hello Friends!

Esperania feels the same way about prostitution and the same worries that have been adressed here. If we would legalize prostitution what would that tell to our children? That it is OK to sell one's body and their right to it when they are adults? Shouldn't sex be something that comes out of love and respect for the other person involved? Shouldn't we encourage love making instead of "sex".

We say neither legalize or illeagalize prostitution, but make paying for sex illegal. That way the customer knows that he has to pay a big fine for sleeping with a prostitute or if done more than once that he could go to jail. That way the prostitutes wouldn't have any reason to continue their profession since hardly any buyers would appear. We also ask that we would make pimping illeagal so that at least the prostitutes would get to choose their own customers and not be sex slaves.

Come on guys. do we really need to legalize prostitution? I don't know about you guys but i want our world to be venerial disease free. think of the oppurtunities to save lives of your citizens on this vote. I'm the Premier of Breenak and i say we vote NO for the current resolution! :o I am against this to. Listen to me: poverty is a problem, I agree. Then the question is: how are we going to solve this problem? By letting the poor sell their bodies? What have they done to us? No, the government must help the poor. Prostitution should still be unlegal. We shall help the poor with high taxes from the rich. We shall use the money to give everyone a life in dignity. Every one.
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Catholic Europe does not support the current proposal at all. We must stop the legalizing of sexual promiscuity. We are close and thuis can do it.

I cannot believe that people actually believe that prostitution shud be legalised! I dont know about you, but living in a country of opportunities and standing for that I believe EVERYONE has a chance to get an education or be employed in a more respective environment. Noone should degrade themselves to filthy sex with a stranger. This giving that stranger a chance to abuse the prostitute emotionally, physically and mentally! Seriously what has the world come to?!

Oh come on, we've got to give some kind of hope to those poor sad people like trainspotters, computer nerds, people with deformities and general lonely people who have little to no chance of losing their virginity, let alone getting their end away. If this gets them away from their trains and their dark, monitor filled dens to go outside at least once in a while, if only to go to the local brothel, then hey, I'm all for it. Heck, we'd even be able to tax it for increased governmental revenue.

Oh, and do people actually know how legal brothels work? It's far more unlikely to catch STDs in legal prostitution with legal brothels since protection such as condoms are strictly enforced there, whereas with illegal prostitution it's more likely since it's not as enforced. So all that crap about there being an increase in STDs in legal prostitution is rather unfounded, wouldn't you say?

This debate shows all that is good and bad about us as people. This debate has intelligent and dumb ideas, some radical and conservative ideas. This debate was worth it if only to show our diversity. To all those appalled about the subject matter, you should encourage the debate not condone it, for what better tool than education and speaking your mind out and loud, will give you the opportunity to express your views and maybe educate others?! That is exactly what the UN is for (even if not in real life)!

As far as legalising prostitution is concerned:

1. No one was speaking about governments actively controlling or regulating the industry. The proposal talks about legalising it and maybe hinting to a few related issues like taxing the service but not price control. Like every service that is sold, this industry will adjust itself to the markets in which it operates, expensive services will not last long and brand names will emerge. (Let your imagination run wild :) )

2. The purpose of the legislation was also to prevent spreading of VDs through better medical practices, better understanding of the oldest profession in the world and its management, eliminating the crime related aspect of this industry (yes, the crime aspect should be fought) and maybe even provide legal freedom to an existing means of employment. You can NOT beat prostitution (Hell, even if you wanted to, and I don’t), so if you can’t beat them, join them.

3. Despite some religious fanatics and their ‘head-in-the-sand’ attitude all should be aware that prostitution exists in EVERY country in the world. It is part of human nature (whether good or bad), part of our gene make-up and in MOST societies, also a part of cultured society. So statistically, we have a situation where a minority tries to impose their will on a part of humanity’s structure and laws of nature.

4. Now come the moral issues: trying not to read too much into the right of people over their bodies (eg abortion issues, piercing, euthanasia etc.) check out those same people who call for banning of prostitution; those are the same people who demand freedom of speech, equal rights for women and extremely high tax rates. So what is it? Hypocrites! You only seek the solutions directly related to yourselves rather than showing a backbone and sticking to a more comprehensive and streamlined attitude. You are either FOR personal freedoms or AGAINST them. You can’t have it both ways. Even more so, when you speak of other people’s rights to do things unto their own bodies and life. I agree there have to be guidelines and some thresholds should not be crossed. But history, biology and human nature show that this particular subject has/is part of what/who we are far longer than those control induced ideas to restrict people’s rights. No one was speaking of eating babies for G*d sake.

5. Mostly, for all those calling not to vote, or to erase the proposal by the game designer I would like to suggest something: All those who can not see the beauty in this DEMOCRATIC process where the majority wins over and the freedom to exercise the freedom of speech is so graciously given, go away. This game is NOT for you. B. Prostitutes and their clients are part of our society. They are our brothers, sisters, Moms, Dads, even us. Making a person outlawed has never contributed to anything. Our only chance is in providing them a comfortable way to live their lives and integrate them into our society as a part of us. Which they were in the first place.

6. I rest my case. ;)

Balilaba will be absolutely AGAINST this proposition.. For reasons many have mentioned above.

Cockatoonia said:

"Prostitutes and their clients are part of our society. They are our brothers, sisters, Moms, Dads, even us. Making a person outlawed has never contributed to anything. Our only chance is in providing them a comfortable way to live their lives and integrate them into our society as a part of us. Which they were in the first place. "

Like Esperania suggested, let's make pimping and paying for sex illeagal but let prostitutes have the freedom to offer their services. That way the ones that are the most vulnerable (the prostitutes themselves) wouldn't be hurt by it, more likely there would be less market for them.

We could also start a fund for a campaing in which every prostitute who stops her/his profession would get a starting money for her/his new life. That way she/he could belong to the society again. After a while there would be hardly any prostitution and we could prevent it more by making social welfare better. If poor people could get unemployment allowance, housing supplement and after that living allowance, they wouldn't even had nightmares about becoming a prostitute.

The solution is not to make prostitution easier, but to make social services work to help such poor people more.

Legalisation of something dosn't mean 'everyone MUST do this'. It merely means that the police won't come knocking on your door if you choose to.

If men and women want to sell their body to earn money, they should be allowed to without someone telling them 'no it's bad'. This legislation is not saying they MUST, but merely that they CAN. They could get a job somewhere else if they want to, but if they honestly PREFFER to ply the sex trade then why stop them?

Legalising it would allow for laws enacting better treatment of prostitutes. No more 'drug pimps' and the like. It could be handled as a corporate affair, complete with benefits packages and security measures against clients who get 'out of hand'.

For states that are of a religious bent and say it's 'immoral', there is also no problem. Legalising it merely means you can't issue fines or arrest people for it, but that does not stop you from excommunicating them from your chuches. If people want to break your church ethics then they are obviously not 'followers of the light' now are they?

It's all about choice.

Esperantia - you're free to enact your proposal in your own nation even if the current proposal passes.

not letting them make their own decisions, is more degrading than allowing them to.

Exactly. This is in no way saying people MUST be prostitutes, it's merely giving people the option if that's the 'career' they want.

No one was speaking about governments actively controlling or regulating the industry. The proposal talks about legalising it and maybe hinting to a few related issues like taxing the service but not price control.

True, but that dosn't mean that government's CAN'T regulate the industry if they choose to. Wether or not a government chooses to regulate the industry is up to them.

But history, biology and human nature show that this particular subject has/is part of what/who we are far longer than those control induced ideas to restrict people’s rights.

Exactly. There's a reason why they call it ' the oldest trade in the world '

To all of you who are saying that prostitution is selling the body-

Will you outlaw modelling? Will you not allow clinical trials of medicines to take place, with human test subjects? Will you not allow medical examinations? Will you not permit blood donations? Will you stop organ donations?

You must take into consideration that all sex workers are human beings doing jobs that require no education, but do require some special characteristics. How is it any different from any other unskilled work? Just as unskilled workers of other industries are protected under labor laws, why shouldn't sex workers? Are they sub-human?

Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it can be controlled.
Look at Canada's weed problem.

Esperantia - you're free to enact your proposal in your own nation even if the current proposal passes.

Actually..we are Esperania, without the letter T, but thank you. :) I will take that into the consideration. However, why wouldn't it be possible to make our proposal take place everywhere in the UN. It would clearly help those in need and thus should be in any nations interest. Wouldn't your people agree that it would make prostitution more rare and give those poor people more choice over their lives?

Thank you for listening us. Esperania awaits your answers. :)

To all of you who are saying that prostitution is selling the body-

Will you outlaw modelling? Will you not allow clinical trials of medicines to take place, with human test subjects? Will you not allow medical examinations? Will you not permit blood donations? Will you stop organ donations?

You must take into consideration that all sex workers are human beings doing jobs that require no education, but do require some special characteristics. How is it any different from any other unskilled work? Just as unskilled workers of other industries are protected under labor laws, why shouldn't sex workers? Are they sub-human?





that is totally different. do not play that card. given that there are models that sell fashion, cloths, but medicine is a totally different subject.
with prostitution your not discovering new medicine for the better of man kind, prostitution is wrong for society. no they are not sub human they are as human as the rest of us. i do take pity for such people to go as low as to sell sex for a living. there are correctional facilities for such things. even if they are uneducated there are programs for that too