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Ignoring the last two attempts, please suggest what you think of this idea. I have attempted to make something 'fun' and that would pay for these proposals that pass.

UNLF- United Nations Lottery Fund

At current, UN resolutions that have passed are exceeding the UN budget. Instead of having a tax in which UN nations pay, I propose a voluntary monetary fund, a lottery. The lottery would work like this:


-It would take place on every night at 11:00 PM EST.
--In the event that no one wins, the lottery's jackpot would be extended to the next drawing.

-Minimum age of player to be set by local gambling laws.

-The lottery tickets would cost $1.
--$2 to double (non-jackpot) winnings.

-10% of money received would be deposited into a fund, in which the UN would use that to pay for the funding of all the passed proposals.
--An additional 5% of the money received would be set aside for for the next lottery.
---1% of of the money received to go to funding a program to treat addicted gamblers.

-Upon winning, the winner would receive $250,000 a month, in their native currency, until the jackpot has been paid in full.


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To vote just do a search for UNLF, thanks you.

Oh and the two problems I realize there are with is the currency issue, and the issue on whether or not "(note: the lottery would not occur in nations in which gambling has been outlawed) " would work.

It does seem hypocritical to have gambling be a state monopoly. Holding the lottery where gambling is already legalized is nonhypocritical.

Giving the state and the vendor a small reward when the person to whom they sell a ticket wins would be an incentive to increase sales.

Ignoring the last two attempts, please suggest what you think of this idea. I have attempted to make something 'fun' and that would pay for these proposals that pass.

UNLF- United Nations Lottery Fund

At current, UN resolutions that have passed are exceeding the UN budget. Instead of having a tax in which UN nations pay, I propose a voluntary tax, a lottery. The lottery would work like this:

(note: the lottery would not occur in nations in which gambling has been outlawed)

-It would take place on Wednesdays and Saturdays at 11:00 PM EST.
--In the event that no one wins, the lottery's jackpot would be extended to the next drawing.

-Minimum age of player to be set by local gambling laws.

-The lottery tickets would cost $1.
--$2 to double (non-jackpot) winnings.

-10% of money received would be deposited into a fund, in which the UN would use that to pay for the funding of all the passed proposals.
--An additional 5% of the money received would be set aside for for the next lottery.
---1% of of the money received to go to funding a program to treat addicted gamblers.

-Upon winning, the winner would receive $250,000 a month, in their native currency, until the jackpot has been paid in full.


Seems a good idea, i like this bit


---1% of of the money received to go to funding a program to treat addicted gamblers.

:)

Would the lottery be international or a series of several regional/national/local drawings?

The 'pot' in an international lottery potentially could be in the hundreds of millions causing some severe actions from addictive behaviour (spending an entire check on tickets to attempting to mug possible winners). Or people could see their chances to win an international lottery as so slim they would not even bother buying a ticket.

Being an opponent of legalized gambling, I do not see supporting this resolution.

But there are logistical issues that need to be addressed before the resolution goes before the delegates.

So, all we have to do is outlaw gambling and our UN membership is free? Sweet. :D

So, all we have to do is outlaw gambling and our UN membership is free? Sweet. :D


*relises big flaw in plan*

*shrugs*

8)

No, I saw that from the start. Since it is a voluntary tax it wouldn't matter anyway. There would be enough funds here to fund everything. Also I am changing Wednesday and Saturday drawings to nightly drawings because the jackpots would be HUGE.

For one thing, the UN cannot collect any tax revenues even if it wanted to do that.

How is the money to be spent? Who gets to spend it? On what do they get to spend it? How much goes to "administration"? What currency is used?

It shouldn't matter what currency is used, just as long as it is convertible to common value on Quippoth's exchange.

I only see the minor flaw of currency exchange rates. I would set the prize in the currency of one of the more powerful nations, and then allow conversion into local currency. This would prevent winners in more economically powerful nations from obtaining a larger prize than those in smaller countries, where money is worth less.

On the other hand, if the nation of Anward did not attempt to introduce proposals that created enormous, cash sucking international organizations, a lottery would be unnecessary.

As we in Lubria have always been against unneeded regulation, and this lottery would only serve to encourage such proposals, we must decline to support this.

However, your proposal is, more or less, structurally sound, Anward. Bravo for that. And thank you for bringing this to debate before you submitted. :)

It shouldn't matter what currency is used, just as long as it is convertible to common value on Quippoth's exchange.

Some currencies drastically fluctuate by the minute

Besides, you still can't call it a "tax"

Okay, I'll play spin doctor


Spiny Names for 'Tax'

Revenue Enhancement
Monetary Import
Salary Garnish


Or we could just call it a Voluntary Monetary Fund.

Lets see what would take millions and millions of dollars to fund that has passed:

Fight the Axis of Evil
Education For All
MANDATORY RECYCLING
Protect Historical Sites
Required Basic Healthcare
Hydrogen Powered Vehicles
Replanting Trees
Free education
The IRCO
International Space Initiative
Global AIDS Initiative
Increased Access to Medicine
Fair Treatment of Mentally-Ill


I believe none of which had to explain where they would get the funding for these projects.

Oh and what would be the largest currency? How could I set the currency to the largest countries, how would that work?

First, I don't believe I mentioned my support for any of those resolutions, did I?

Second, you could do that in a number of ways, like say, researching which country has had the most stable economic progress over time, or exploring alternate methods of pay out. I'll make the bold assumption that the majority of people buying your lottery tickets are the poor, and rather than spending their salary on say, food, and shoes for their kids, they've blown it all on the pipe dream that is a lottery pay off. Perhaps, instead of money, you should offer the winners and their families a plane ticket anywhere in the world, a lifetime of healthcare and education for their children, and a high paying job offer.

As you can see, I have little respect for lotteries. They are a tax on the poor and hopeless. They entice participation by playing on people's dreams. It is worse than a tax; taxes are the price of society, and should be gladly paid. A lottery is a scam. Government sponsored con artistry.

Instead of trying to take money from the poor to fund programs to help the poor, why not take money from the wealthy to fund programs from the poor. You could call it, I don’t know, a charity.

I don't know about you, but I am not poor or hopeless, and I still buy a Powerball ticket every now and again. Also there are more people that end up benefiting from the lottery than those who suffer, and if they do suffer, it is their choice to spend that money.

Perhaps, but you are more poor, and more hopeless than the millionares who don't buy lottery tickets. My point was, you're taking money from people who could put it to better uses.

Private charities have been far more successful at helping those who need it than government organizations.

This lottery idea is dumb.

I STILL think newborn babies and mentally ill people should be outfitted with lasers for war purposes.

more opinions before I actually introduce this please

If no one posts any more opinions I will just put this up as is tommorow

If no one posts any more opinions I will just put this up as is tommorow
Given that server lag has kept me from even looking at the UN forum for 10 or 12 hours today, I'd advise you to leave it on the Forums for a couple of additional days. Catching up with what's been posted takes time.

The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint does not support state-run gambling. Our experience shows that the adiministration costs of the 'game' outstrip the profits generated in every case. We also find that while ticket purchases are made by citizens from all income levels, such purchases tend to have a larger negative impact on the standard of living of those citizens in the lower income brackets.

The 'voluntary' nature of this particular proposal we find to be unworkable with the current structure of the U.N. and the Compliance Ministry. We see no way in which those nations that have banned all forms of gambling can avoid having the lottery mandated within their borders should this pass.

We will not support this proposal.

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs

Greenspoint, that is an issue I stated I was worried about. In the event this is not possible, then I just guess I will have to remove that line. I mean I am personally against Euthanasia but yet that was passed in my country, I guess everyone against gambling would just have to adapt too.

With all due respect to the esteemed ambassador from Anward, that is the MAIN reason we will be opposing this proposal. Gambling is illegal in Greenspoint, and we do not want to HAVE to adapt to having the UN come in and tell us we must allow this lottery to happen.

This proposal, from the get-go, regardless of the language it currently contains stating it is 'voluntary', is a reeking stench in the nostrils of the Rogue Nation of Greenspoint, and we will do all in our power to sneeze it away.

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs.

I will be putting this up for proposal Thursday.

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Last chance to reply, I am posting this tonight.

I fully support this idea, even games can bring nations closer together. I don't see any significant reason why not to accept this proposal. Gambling should be allowed when the state controls it.

You all can vote now!

You have my vote already pal. Its a nice idea. :)

You have my vote already pal. Its a nice idea. :)

Thanks for your support, and your vote.

You have my vote already pal. Its a nice idea. :)

Thanks for your support, and your vote.

I see no reason as to why it should be endorsed....and why it shouldn't be endorsed.

It's not a proposal, IMO, that the UN should be spending its time on. There are many other much more important proposals out there, that need our time.

I see no reason as to why it should be endorsed....and why it shouldn't be endorsed.

It's not a proposal, IMO, that the UN should be spending its time on. There are many other much more important proposals out there, that need our time.

I have to disagree with you there, because this would provided the funding needed to pay for all these passed proposals past and future. I can see nothing more important than that.

Anymore comments questions?

The Holy Republic of Franciscia will be voting against this issue. But since it appears to likely come to pass and we are in the minority, we must put up a great fuss and at least get some notice. Gambling is considered immoral by Franciscian doctrine due to its addictiveness, the fact that it takes wealth from the poor, and the funds collected by it may lead to more immoral resolutions. (Such as the last resolution that was unfortunatly passed.)

However, Catholic churches in Franciscia will continue to collect money to go towards the good causes you mentioned above.

May the Sword of Peace burn brightly in the skies of...anywhere, really.

Just because legalizing gambling for all UN members doesn't necessaryly mean all citizens have to take part. This is not mandatory. It does however, give everday,ordinary citizens a chance at the good life. I implore to all to pass this resolution and give anybody a chance to succeed.

The nation of Illaria voices its opposition to this use of the UN to promote an institution that will DRAIN smaller regions such as our own and increase the power of grander regions. Smaller regions, where UN policy has greatest effect at the least cost will bear the brunt of their GDP's being frittered away to the UN's universal pot while larger regions will suffer less. Moreover, the actual money given away will not be proportionate to the benefits granted to each individual region. Larger regions will benefit more from the money siphoned away from smaller regions.

Large countries, however, will suffer infringed control over their own nations in an area they should uniquely control, increased crime and what amounts to a higher tax on their countries.

We implore the global community to realize that this legalization of gambling (imposing far too heavily on national sovreignty) will serve only to increase crime issues in smaller regions while siphoning large portions of their income. At the same time, the benefits received in return will be wildly disproportionate to the money siphoned off.

Consider the masses. Consider your own state. Consider your economy.

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