NationStates Jolt Archive


No downloading worries

Colodia
20-01-2004, 07:09
Whoops! I pressed the "submit" button without remembering to put it up here first...but hey...here it is..

--------------
I propose that all nations show absolute ZERO tolerance for the programmers of: viruses, certain spyware, hacking programs, and all other illegal internet programs. Do not forget hackers.

Viruses, spyware, hacking programs, etc. do many unwanted things. Including giving away personal information, shutting off your computer, and using your computer as a host to duplicate itself and send it to other victims.

---

Spyware that should be considered internationally illegal will include:
- spyware that goes into your computer without your permission
- spyware that sends personal information to others withour your permission
- spyware that refuses to uninstall itself from your computer
- spyware that does ANYTHING without your permission

---

The only ones that'll be allowed to hack and spy on other computers will be the police (and...if you have one, FBI, CIA, and NSA) and military.
Reasons why:
1. to prove a person innocent/guilty
2. to steal enemy information
3. to track down criminals
etc. etc....I think I made my point

---

Individual nations that capture these cyber-criminals themselves get to choose their own punishment for the criminal

However, if the criminal is found by International means, then the criminal will face a mandatory 1 year - Life-Time sentence in the international prison (wherever it is) depending on the severity of the case and if found guilty by the international court (we also have one of those ya?)

---

I say we suffered with these "Anti-Virus" programs and bad pings with our "Firewall" softwares long enough! Let's download whatever we want off Kazaa and not worry if there's something behind that program that meets the eye!
-----------------------------

so there it is...take the poll
Carlemnaria
20-01-2004, 11:05
the vast majhoreity of spywhare i have encountered came not from 'hackers'
nor even government agencies (though there's no way of verifying of course that these might not have had a hand in its origen)
but from paid commercial advertisers.

which is why i never accept a cookie or a script from bfast or their ilk

the term hacker has been much abused in the vested media

we sincerely wish those who abuse it to study its actual ultimate origens

the only way to download with confidence is when the net and everything on it is once again free as it was once ment to be

=^^=
.../\...
20-01-2004, 16:26
Spyware that should be considered internationally illegal will include:
- spyware that goes into your computer without your permission
- spyware that sends personal information to others withour your permission
- spyware that refuses to uninstall itself from your computer
- spyware that does ANYTHING without your permission


The problem with this is that many programs which include Spyware (Kazaa for example) include permissions for the Spyware in the Terms and Conditions, its just that nobody ever reads them. This means that none of the above points could be enforced.

A few other changes required:
You need to include clear definitions of "Hacker", "Hacking Programs", "Viruses", and "Spyware".
More detail needs to be given of the "International Prison" you speak of. Where will it be? Who will fund it? Is it only people found guilty of computer crimes who are kept there?
What constitutes an "Illegal internet program"? I assume you refer to any program which breaks the Computer Misuse act, but this needs to be made clear. A website written in PHP can be considered an "internet program", and if it is considered to contain illegal information by some countires, it could qualify.
This "mandatory 1 year - life-time sentence" is not clear enough. Who decides how long the sentence will be? What determines whether it will be a 1 year sentence or a life sentence?
The list you gave of why Military, Police, and Inteligence agencies should be allowed to hack and use spyware etc. - are these the only reasons they are allowed to use them? Are there more? Please elaborate.
Also, in, for intstance, a Capitalizt country where these agencies and soforth are privatised, people can contract them to distribute the viruses for them, and they can do so legally, so this effectively makes the situation worse.

If you feel my points are worth taking into consideration, please amend the proposal as you see fit.

Major Johnson
Nibbleton

p.s.the term hacker has been much abused in the vested media

we sincerely wish those who abuse it to study its actual ultimate origens For those who dont know, it is believed to have originated from the term "hack writer," being someone who "hacks away" at a typewriter for long periods of time while writing.
Greenspoint
20-01-2004, 20:21
The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint will not support this proposal. This is not an issue that the U.N. should be addressing.

For those nations that do not have decent firewall and anti-virus protections for their computer network systems, Hancock Industries, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Greenspoint Ltd. manufactures a product that is state-of-the-art in both system security and viral protection. A free 30-day trial version is downloadable from the corporate website. Substantial discounts are available to U.N. members who oppose this proposal.

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs
Greenspoint
Colodia
20-01-2004, 21:19
The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint will not support this proposal. This is not an issue that the U.N. should be addressing.

For those nations that do not have decent firewall and anti-virus protections for their computer network systems, Hancock Industries, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Greenspoint Ltd. manufactures a product that is state-of-the-art in both system security and viral protection. A free 30-day trial version is downloadable from the corporate website. Substantial discounts are available to U.N. members who oppose this proposal.

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs
Greenspoint

so what is acceptable in the UN? Things that have nothing to do with what we do in reality?
Greenspoint
20-01-2004, 21:35
The Rogue Nation of Greenspoint does not think the U.N. should be wasting time passing resolutions that criminalize activities universally deemed illegal. We view computer hacking, et al, to be on par with burglary and/or piracy. We know of no nation where any such activity is condoned or allowed. The U.N. does not need to enact any sort of International Penal code as applies to individuals and crimes committed by individuals; it should, rather, concentrate on international relations issues and on crimes of a magnitude that the individual nations cannot effectively prosecute the perpetrators. Computer network security is not such an issue.

James Moehlman
Asst. Manager ico U.N. Affairs
Greenspoint
Colodia
20-01-2004, 21:42
*rips proposal into little pieces*

it's not worth it...let the low-tech nations get overrun by hackers! Let people continue to download off kazaa knowing theres a 50% chance they'll catcha virus! Let the internet go doooooowwn the draaaaaaaain

*The Colodian delegate throws pens at everyone in the room and leaves*
20-01-2004, 23:27
*rips proposal into little pieces*

it's not worth it...let the low-tech nations get overrun by hackers! Let people continue to download off kazaa knowing theres a 50% chance they'll catcha virus! Let the internet go doooooowwn the draaaaaaaain

*The Colodian delegate throws pens at everyone in the room and leaves*Or, they could just download a free anti-virus program and firewall. And if they're low-tech nations, surely they wont have computers of a standard which hackers will be interested in?
20-01-2004, 23:28
*rips proposal into little pieces*

it's not worth it...let the low-tech nations get overrun by hackers! Let people continue to download off kazaa knowing theres a 50% chance they'll catcha virus! Let the internet go doooooowwn the draaaaaaaain

*The Colodian delegate throws pens at everyone in the room and leaves*Or, they could just download a free anti-virus program and firewall. And if they're low-tech nations, surely they wont have computers of a standard which hackers will be interested in?