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Proposal - United Nations Stabilization

17-01-2004, 12:50
The UN has spiraled out of control! There are so many micro-managing resolutions that are completely irrational it's imposible for any nation to follow all of them. Please support my proposal to begin anew with the UN by starting from scratch.

Browse to the proposal list (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/34598/page=UN_proposal) and use the search box at the bottom of the page to find Stabilization .

Thank you for your consideration!

MammonLord, President of the Confederacy of Brokers, United Nations Delegate to California


Here is the text of the proposal:

United Nations Stabilization

Recalling the myriad past resolutions that serve no viable purpose, are contradictory, are redundant, are unenforceable or are inapplicable in today's world.

Recognizing that the United Nations' charter has become clogged with poorly written resolutions with which no sovereign nation can reasonably be expected to fully comply.

Determined to rid this council of the burdens it has misguidedly thrust upon itself.

The Security Council hereby

1. Decides that all United Nations resolutions up to this point are canceled and invalid.

2. Endorses the creation of a mechanism in which the ten largest regions hold veto power over the passage of any resolution, for use not more than once in a ninety-day period.

3. Decides to remain seized of the matter.
17-01-2004, 12:53
Game Mechanics, my dear Brokers, will thwart you. Good Luck though.
17-01-2004, 12:59
Game Mechanics, my dear Brokers, will thwart you. Good Luck though.
I am counting on the support of like-minded nations sensible to the risks of over legislating. While point two is a request for a change to the game, it is only an "endorsement" of such a change. The proposal is sound.

Thank you for your good wishes, nonetheless.

Please ask your delegate to approve this proposal!

MammonLord
_Myopia_
17-01-2004, 14:28
The repeal of all previous resolutions is also game mechanics. This will be deleted, if it hasn't already been.
Collaboration
17-01-2004, 14:42
I sympathize with your intentions.
Perhaps a carefully drafted, calm and coolly rational proposal can be sent to Technical to remedy this situation.
Otherwise we are doomed by game mechanics.

The irony is that the best way to improve government is not by changing laws but by changing procedures, yet that is exactly what we are restrained from doing.
Emperor Matthuis
17-01-2004, 14:44
United Nations Stabilization
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: The Furtherment of Democracy Strength: Mild Proposed by: Brokers
Description: Recalling the myriad past resolutions that serve no viable purpose, are contradictory, are redundant, are unenforceable or are inapplicable in today's world.

Recognizing that the United Nations' charter has become clogged with poorly written resolutions with which no sovereign nation can reasonably be expected to fully comply.

Determined to rid this council of the burdens it has misguidedly thrust upon itself.

The Security Council hereby

1. Decides that all United Nations resolutions up to this point are canceled and invalid.

2. Endorses the creation of a mechanism in which the ten largest regions hold veto power over the passage of any resolution, for use not more than once in a ninety-day period.

3. Decides to remain seized of the matter.

Approvals: 2 (Brokers, West - Europa)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 138 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Jan 20 2004


When enodia sees it, the proposal will get deleted, and it put on your record, and it you carry n doing it you will get ejected out the U.N :P
17-01-2004, 21:02
The repeal of all previous resolutions is also game mechanics. This will be deleted, if it hasn't already been.
WTF?!? When the United States repealed prohibition, they did not rip up the Constitution and make a new one. You can just add a UN Resolution that makes all those before it void. They would still be there, just not enforced. I don't see why everyone is saying that is game mechanics. Oh well. Perhaps the moderator in question is a retard. Never let me know that anything was wrong, just deleted my proposal. It is time to escalate the issue.

MammonLord
17-01-2004, 21:02
The repeal of all previous resolutions is also game mechanics. This will be deleted, if it hasn't already been.
WTF?!? When the United States repealed prohibition, they did not rip up the Constitution and make a new one. You can just add a UN Resolution that makes all those before it void. They would still be there, just not enforced. I don't see why everyone is saying that is game mechanics. Oh well. Perhaps the moderator in question is a retard. Never let me know that anything was wrong, just deleted my proposal. It is time to escalate the issue.

MammonLord
17-01-2004, 21:02
The repeal of all previous resolutions is also game mechanics. This will be deleted, if it hasn't already been.
WTF?!? When the United States repealed prohibition, they did not rip up the Constitution and make a new one. You can just add a UN Resolution that makes all those before it void. They would still be there, just not enforced. I don't see why everyone is saying that is game mechanics. Oh well. Perhaps the moderator in question is a retard. Never let me know that anything was wrong, just deleted my proposal. It is time to escalate the issue.

MammonLord
17-01-2004, 21:06
That was weird, posted thrice!
_Myopia_
18-01-2004, 01:41
I don't see why everyone is saying that is game mechanics. Oh well. Perhaps the moderator in question is a retard. Never let me know that anything was wrong, just deleted my proposal. It is time to escalate the issue.

It is clearly game mechanics. To repeal a resolution, the game would have to include code which would allow the mods to reverse the effects that proposals have on nations. That code does not exist, so to implement such a resolution would require that the game's mechanics be changed. As to the matter of informing you, perhaps he assumes that anyone who submits a proposal will have read the guide at the top of the UN forum that explicitly states that repealing counts as game mechanics. As far as I know, the onus is on the offender to ask (politely) the reason for the mod's action.
18-01-2004, 02:18
It is clearly game mechanics. To repeal a resolution, the game would have to include code which would allow the mods to reverse the effects that proposals have on nations.
Not at all. Newer resolutions always supersede previous ones. The game code does not need to be changed in the slightest. If a resolution passes that just says "Ignore everything before this one" then that is what people should do. My proposal says nothing at all about removing previous resolutions entirely. Nations simply ignore them.

In non-game terms: You believe I want to remove the "category" of previous resolutions. That is not correct. I only want to render the "description" void.

MammonLord
18-01-2004, 02:41
In non-game terms: You believe I want to remove the "category" of previous resolutions. That is not correct. I only want to render the "description" void.

Out of character;
So you're saying that you want to remove the rolepay aspects of the legislations without nullifying the game effect? I'd support that but the moderators might supercede that decision.
18-01-2004, 02:43
Out of character;
So you're saying that you want to remove the rolepay aspects of the legislations without nullifying the game effect? I'd support that but the moderators might supercede that decision.

Exactly. I'm glad somebody gets it.

MammonLord