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The nation of the Spirit of Athine is looking carefully at all options if this
outrgageous resolution passes.

FYI: The only nation which has the word 'Nazi' in their name and has voted on this proposal has voted 'Yes'. No surprise here.

We at Nibbleton are FOR voluntary euthanasia, but have had to vote NO to this proposal. The proposal states that all kinds of euthanasia should be made legal, including compulsory Euthanasia. This cannot be allowed to happen, as countries cannot be allowed to force their citizens to be killed because they are considered inferior.

Major Johnson
Nibbleton

We at Nibbleton are FOR voluntary euthanasia, but have had to vote NO to this proposal. The proposal states that all kinds of euthanasia should be made legal, including compulsory Euthanasia. This cannot be allowed to happen, as countries cannot be allowed to force their citizens to be killed because they are considered inferior.

Major Johnson
Nibbleton

That is why the people of my nation are so outraged, because it is 'compulsory'. That is just down right sick.

I've voted YES here. The way I've read it, euthanasia will be legal, but only after all other options have been exhausted and the patient's on the phone yelling the Grim Reaper's skull off, complaining that said Reaper isn't here yet. I imagined my brother in this position. If he's in constant pain, no chance of getting better, and he's asking for the plug to be pulled, I'd hate to do it, but I'd have to take pity on my brother and do it. Hugging him all the while.

FYI: The only nation which has the word 'Nazi' in their name and has voted on this proposal has voted 'Yes'. No surprise here.

wow
that must be the quickest application of the Godwin law I've ever witnessed ... Irrelevant use of the word "Nazi" in the *second* post of a thread, I'm impressed ...

Hmm, I thought that this thread was supposed to be about WW3 starting if the resolution was passed. :wink:

Has anyone noticed the words:

"Please think about this proposal carefully" in the resolution.
:lol:

Bah...regardless of what you think, it is going to pass. Oh well, you can always create a proposal to amend this resolution.

I voted AGAINST the Euthanasia Resolution. Becouse I am worried about the people that will be killed by crazy doctors that just wanted to kill somebody.

i would have to say i am for this resolution because it will end peoples pain that they dont want to be in... it is just the logical thing to do

i would have to say i am for this resolution because it will end peoples pain that they dont want to be in... it is just the logical thing to do

But shouldn't people have a choice whether they wish to live or die?

Leave us out of WW3. I think I speak for all of Letila when I say that it isn't going to be good for us.

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Please allow me to sneeze. Humm Killing people, well that’s a bad thing. People in pain, that’s a bad thing too. Telling someone "your in pain and you cant be cured so you have to die now", that sounds really bad. Now if they tell you to kill them then by all means. But, Compulsory, IS BULLSHIT! I myself would not fallow such a bill. Now as for starting a war over this, where ever the hell that came from, I don't think so. but if a war should come to us the war would come from within at this point, it’s a region called "The World Shall End", almost all nations in it bear the same flag, goals, similar mottoes, and almost all of them are UN members, now that’s a threat, not whether Euthanasia is good or not. I have said my piece.

-Commander of Diplomacy
Siya Lanceart

The Kingdom of Schweinfurt will not accept a bill which makes euthanasia compulsory. It is outrageous to try to force a country to execute some of its people, and Schweinfurt WILL NOT DO IT. I am voting no on this proposal, and if it is passed I am prepared to join with the other protestors in a declaration of our defiance and refusal to obey it.

We of Istahan have voted no to this resolution, due to the compulsory euthanasia it would create. We also believe that this resolution violates national sovereignty. However, we will not take part in any war that might arise, nor shall we withdraw from the United Nations.

We are neutral on this only because the delegate's vote is no secret. But, we do support it...

I have just read the euthanasia proposal yet again, and its NOT compulsory. Its about giving people the right to choose suicide to end suffering. Or if they are unable, for that decision to be made by their family.

The stuff about excessive age just clouds the issue and shouldn't be part of the bill. It should merely be about giving a person the right to die if suffering. And if that were clarified, I would support it.

But, this shouldn't be a UN resolution that all Nations have to adhere to. It should be up to each Nation to decide.

The Red Empiric provences will consider taking military action against any state defying the will of the UN, not because we support the proposal but because we support the will of an organisation that we all agreed to uphold. And because our economy sucks and i need to take the attention away from it :(

A rather calamitous situation this has become. Yet, I believe that a nation should be allowed to use Euthanasia, only if there are certain humane guidelines.

The Red Empiric provences will consider taking military action against any state defying the will of the UN
Therefore, if the Euthanasia Proposal passes (which it appears to be doing), and NationStates refuse to allow their citizens to die in a humane manner, the Red Empiric provences will see to their demise by force?

How thoughtful of you.

Would someone who believes that this proposal states that euthanasia would be compulsory, please explain that interpretation to me? I have read and re-read the proposal, and can't seem to come to that conclusion.

I don't support it, just because you can decide it, on an issue :roll:

I support it for 3 reasons.
1. It already is an issue.
2. I dont see how it makes it compulsory
and 3. It is a more humane way to die.

However I dont support for 3 reasons.
1. It should be a nation's choice
2. It talks about getting beds open
3. It is facing such large opposition that it could divide the UN.

Would someone who believes that this proposal states that euthanasia would be compulsory, please explain that interpretation to me? I have read and re-read the proposal, and can't seem to come to that conclusion.

The resolution speaks about those who can't make the decision for themselves. This is vague because it doesn't define who these people are and leaves the door open for anyone to decide the matter for someone else. It could be interpreted to mean that anyone who is deamed unworthy to live could be put to death (for example *anyone* who has any kind of mental illness).

Would someone who believes that this proposal states that euthanasia would be compulsory, please explain that interpretation to me? I have read and re-read the proposal, and can't seem to come to that conclusion.

The resolution speaks about those who can't make the decision for themselves. This is vague because it doesn't define who these people are and leaves the door open for anyone to decide the matter for someone else. It could be interpreted to mean that anyone who is deamed unworthy to live could be put to death (for example *anyone* who has any kind of mental illness).
yeah, but if you dont have it and the person is in a long coma, then it becomes useless.

yeah, but if you dont have it and the person is in a long coma, then it becomes useless.

People could write in a living will want they want to happen if they're in a coma, and if nothing is written, don't euthanise. It should only really be when the person has given explicit consent, either during the illness, or beforehand in a living will.

Assuming this passes despite my telegramming efforts, could I submit the proposal at the bottom at the weekend as a clarifier, without being accused of trying to do game mechanics by repealing? Mine was originally intended to be a rival, until it became clear that this one would pass. Anyway, here's the proposed text:

Euthanasia Clarification Bill

Human Rights - Strong

Definitions
-Suicide - an individual killing himself
-Voluntary euthanasia - the killing of an individual by another individual, at the express, uncoerced demand of the first individual.
-Involuntary euthanasia - the killing of a terminally or incurably ill patient according to the wishes of friends or family of the patient, when the patient is incapable of making/expressing his own decision on the matter.

Postulating that
-The individual should be sovereign over his own body
-Such a fundamental human right is the business of an international body such as the NS UN
-Unnecessary suffering is often prolonged against the wishes of terminally ill patients
-Current UN law is unclear and loopholes-ridden

Therefore
-Every individual considered capable of making adult decisions should have the right to choose to die
-Voluntary euthanasia must be legalized to give those unable to commit suicide the choice to die with dignity

The UN hereby resolves that
-Every individual has the right to attempt to commit suicide without being criminalized
-Any adult individual considered by a majority of a panel of 3 respected, qualified psychiatrists to be of a sane state of mind and capable of making such a decision, may make and sign a legal living will to say that under any specified conditions, in a situation when he is unable to kill himself, he is to be killed in the most humane way possible. That document may be changed at any time when the conditions above are fulfilled.
-The wishes expressed in the most recent copy of any such document shall be respected, unless the individual is capable of expressing his wishes and has changed his mind.
-The document may also specify who (in extremely unlikely circumstances where a willing medical doctor cannot be found) may humanely euthanise the individual in the specified conditions without criminalisation.
-If an adult patient incapable of committing suicide expresses his wish to die, and it is decided by a majority of a panel of 5 respected, qualified psychiatrists that he is in a sane state of mind, able to make such a decision, that wish should be respected and he should be killed in the most humane way possible.
-No individual may be forced to euthanise a patient – if his doctor objects to doing so, another doctor must be found. In the extremely unlikely event that no willing doctor can be found in the country, and it is not possible to get a willing doctor from another country, then another adult individual may be found according to the terms in the aforementioned living will. In the fantastically unlikely event that no qualified medical professional and none of the specified individuals (if none are specified, it shall be presumed that any adult is acceptable) are prepared and able to perform the act, then the patient's wishes must be ignored until a willing appropriate individual can be found.
-If the euthaniser is not a qualified medical professional, the government shall provide appropriate drugs, and instructions on their use. Said individual shall not be accused of murder unless it can be shown, through the country's legal system, that he knowingly and purposefully disregarded the instructions provided and that this resulted in an unnecessarily painful, inhumane death.
-Nations may make the conditions for requesting VOLUNTARY euthanasia less stringent then specified above, but they may not make them more stringent (e.g. it would be possible to do away with the requirement for psychiatrists' approval of the patient's mental state, but it would not be possible to increase the number of approvals needed).
-This resolution shall not affect the legal status of involuntary euthanasia in any nation; however it shall not be seen as a sanction for the involuntary euthanising of patients at the will of the government against the will of family and friends.

We would FULLY support any Region or State that declared war against the clown that wrote and brought forward this proposal. We voted NO and will withdraw from the U.N the moment this prece of insanity is passed.

The Red Empiric provences will consider taking military action against any state defying the will of the UN


We the people and Government of Nopoofs formally declare and attest that if The Red Empiric provences takes ANY action against ANY sate, provence, country etc. because they refuse to follow the insanity of the Euthanasia Bill. Action will be swift and merciless.

We will use EVERY AND ANY MEASURE TO PROTECT/SUPPORT AND DEFEND against such an action.

The Red Empiric provences will consider taking military action against any state defying the will of the UN


We the people and Government of Nopoofs formally declare and attest that if The Red Empiric provences takes ANY action against ANY sate, provence, country etc. because they refuse to follow the insanity of the Euthanasia Bill. Action will be swift and merciless.

We will use EVERY AND ANY MEASURE TO PROTECT/SUPPORT AND DEFEND against such an action.