NationStates Jolt Archive


Why should I be for the new proposal???

13-01-2004, 02:58
You should be for the new proposal because how would you feel if you were still hanging on to life by a thread but you were in so much pain that you wanted to die. You might end up killing yourself because you want to die so badly. And if you wanted to die with a little dignity then you wouldn't want to go by killing yourself! You would want to be put to rest as painfree as possible. Also if you die without this Legalise Euthanasia then it might be extremly painful and thats not the way I would want to go! So vote for the proposal! FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE!!!
:o
13-01-2004, 08:39
You should be for the new proposal because how would you feel if you were still hanging on to life by a thread but you were in so much pain that you wanted to die. You might end up killing yourself because you want to die so badly. And if you wanted to die with a little dignity then you wouldn't want to go by killing yourself! You would want to be put to rest as painfree as possible. Also if you die without this Legalise Euthanasia then it might be extremly painful and thats not the way I would want to go! So vote for the proposal! FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE!!!
:o

1- you are confusing palliative care with euthanasia; palliative care is the management of pain through effective painkillers and the concern for the quality of life through the dying process...for most cases, there is pain management through medication, and as the old saying goes: "bad cases make bad laws"

2- one of the problems is being seen in Florida: the case of the family itself being divided over whether to terminate extraordinary means for life support (the hubby says remove all such means & the parents are fighting in court {with Jeb Bush supporting them btw] for retaining extraordinary means)

3- the great danger is WHO determines to terminate your life? already we have seen that family can be embroiled in dispute...and assuming you signed a 'living will' and 'dnr form' while healthy, no one can say without a shadow of a doubt that during the process you as an individual decide to fight for life (remember Dylan Thomas' poem?

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

4- proper palliative care for the dying (pain cessation and personal attention) costs $$$
there is a real danger that for the sake of their own inheritence, some children may be inclined to "snuff out mommy" instead of allowing her die with respect: if paliative care can control the pain and provide a sense of dignity for the individual, but will cost the greater part of the individual's estate, do you honestly believe there wont be the action of some children to simply "off momma" because "well, shes gunna die anyway and at least she would want US happy"?

5- there exists in the medical ethics a term called "double effect" that allows for cessation of pain, even to the detriment of the patient: simply put, it means the primary treatment is of pain relief...if in the course of this treatment the medication brings about a premature death, the action is ethically sound insofar as the primary aim was pain relief and yet a secondary result was death (hence the term double effect: pain cessation yet hastening the death of the patient)

There is more to the reality than the overly simplistic "situational ethics" that you provide.