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On behalf of my country, the Most Serene Republic of Etanistan, I must ask, what do regional delegates want? Our country has put forward about 7-9 resolution proposals, two of which were deleted by UN moderators (one somewhat fairly, the other quite unfairly) and the rest of our proposals failed to reach quorum by at least 100 votes. We believe they were good resolutions, quite worthy of UN attention. They have been on various topics that seem to be of interest (gender equality, fair distribution of wealth, marriage issues among others) and we have discussed them in forums ad nauseum.

What do regional delegates want? We will gladly draft a proposal to fit your needs. We would simply like to see a decent resolution at vote to bring honor and fun into the United Nations. Please help us!

- Gloria Garbanzo-Haalfest, Associate Co-Director of the Ideological Commission on Proposal Creation, United Nations Delegation, Most Serene Republic of Etanistan

Be Easy My Brother!!!!

Our country has put forward about 7-9 resolution proposals, two of which were deleted by UN moderators (one somewhat fairly, the other quite unfairly)
How so? As far as I'm aware, the only thing you'll get deleted for is a) game mechanics, b) the proposal not fitting the categories you've assigned to it, or c) being offensive. What reason were you given?

They have been on various topics that seem to be of interest (gender equality, fair distribution of wealth, marriage issues among others)
Can you give me a brief re-cap? (Either by post or telegram.) If you posted over the holiday, delegates may not have been online.

A number of proposals I might have otherwise voted for have been scuppered by serious flaws (eg. the euthanasia proposal) or just by being, basically, crap (eg. the internet pop-up proposal). I'm tempted to re-write some of the more hopeful ones in the hope they might get through.

What do regional delegates want?
Seriously? 7 pages of proposals rather than 27. I've seen posters who re-submit the same proposal, time after time, and it never makes quorum (take the hint, people!). I've seen a nation have 3 very similar proposals in the list at the same time. I've seen any number of proposals that are already resolutions. Then there are a number of proposals where I'm supposed to infer the effects from the title, because the poster talks all round the issue without stating what they mean. Then there are all the plain dumb proposals, either racist/sexist/warmongering (keep it in your own borders, folks), or just one-liners by nations that need hitting very hard with the clue bat.

(Sorry about the rant. Normal service will be resumed.)

As a brief aside to the last couple of points above - I've often wondered if these people would stop posting to the UN if they had a way to state their own laws on their own nation's pages.

We will gladly draft a proposal to fit your needs. We would simply like to see a decent resolution at vote to bring honor and fun into the United Nations. Please help us!

To be honest, the reason I haven't written any is because I think they won't get through the spam. I'd like to see some kind of change (removing UN status for those who don't vote regularly?) to bring in some thoughtfulness into how people deal with the UN, but I can't see it happening.

Maybe I just ought to stop taking it so seriously and do the regional website instead :)

SC

7 pages of proposals rather than 27. I've seen posters who re-submit the same proposal, time after time, and it never makes quorum (take the hint, people!). I've seen a nation have 3 very similar proposals in the list at the same time. I've seen any number of proposals that are already resolutions. Then there are a number of proposals where I'm supposed to infer the effects from the title, because the poster talks all round the issue without stating what they mean. Then there are all the plain dumb proposals, either racist/sexist/warmongering (keep it in your own borders, folks), or just one-liners by nations that need hitting very hard with the clue bat.
The problem is the quality of the proposals not the quantity of them. I would be pleased with 27 pages of decent, well written, origanal, non-discrimanatory proposals, and I would still be very irritated if there were seven pages of junk instead of with 27 pages of awful proposals.

The problem is the quality of the proposals not the quantity of them.
No argument there.

I would be pleased with 27 pages of decent, well written, origanal, non-discrimanatory proposals, and I would still be very irritated if there were seven pages of junk instead of with 27 pages of awful proposals.
Hmm... my point was more that you might get 7 pages of quality out of 27 pages of quantity. But I see what you mean. Though 27 pages of good proposals might be a bit much, I spend way too much time on here as it is. :)

SC

We believe they were good resolutions, quite worthy of UN attentionApparently they did not think so :\

If it weren't for the regional delegates, the UN would be pretty much anarchist.

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Our country has put forward about 7-9 resolution proposals, two of which were deleted by UN moderators (one somewhat fairly, the other quite unfairly)
How so? As far as I'm aware, the only thing you'll get deleted for is a) game mechanics, b) the proposal not fitting the categories you've assigned to it, or c) being offensive. What reason were you given?

They have been on various topics that seem to be of interest (gender equality, fair distribution of wealth, marriage issues among others)
Can you give me a brief re-cap? (Either by post or telegram.) If you posted over the holiday, delegates may not have been online.

SC

We are quite pleased by the thoughtful and detailed response from Shee City. Thank you very much.

Our first proposal, "Tolkien Appreciation Day," was deleted on the grounds that it referred to the "real world." It was our first resolution, and we didn't really know better and wouldn't have interpreted the rules given that way. After some debate with the mod in a forum like this, we agreed with the mod's interpretation. The second proposal was written by a new proposal-creation board consisting of 17 semi-literate pre-teen alcoholics as part of their rehabilitation program. We thought they might add something more along the lines of some recent resolutions we've seen at the United Nations. Unfortunately, a certain mod - not nearly as friendly as the previously mentioned mod- disagreed, claiming that such "joke" resolutions were not worthy of the UN's time. We remain confident that joke resolution proposals deserve to be treated just as seriously as proposals that actually reach quorum every week, which seem like jokes to everyone except their authors.

I personally do not have records of all of Etanistan's proposals, but there is one that has some hope until Saturday called "Tax on Excessive Income" that may be of interest to delegates reading this forum.

Thank you again for your time.

-Haldir Gharum-Olenque IV, Vice-Minister to the Associate Dean for Forumal Communications and United Nations Cafeteria Policy, Most Serene Republic of Etanistan

As a delegate, and a someone who has pushed proposals, you have to hit delegates on all fronts:
1. Make it well written, well thought out, and not too long
2. Send telegrams written well(not begging) to all the delegates that have approved other proposals(thus you know that they are active)
3. Post on the UN forum
4. Make sure topic is relevant, not gonna get deleted, and not done before

It worked for me, mine was 32 votes away when it got deleted, and it had 2 1/2 days left!

Try it, you'll see that if your telegrams briefly outline the proposal, tell them what page it is on, and why it is good (without sounding whiny or beggy) then they will pay attention.

Good Luck :lol:

As a delegate, and a someone who has pushed proposals, you have to hit delegates on all fronts:
1. Make it well written, well thought out, and not too long
2. Send telegrams written well(not begging) to all the delegates that have approved other proposals(thus you know that they are active)
3. Post on the UN forum
4. Make sure topic is relevant, not gonna get deleted, and not done before

To which I'd add: make sure it's correctly categorised (if it's way out it'll get deleted anyway) and if it's going to have an economic impact, at least make clear how to deal with that even if you can't give ballpark figures.

tell them what page it is on
That always annoys me - give them the *exact* name of the proposal, that way they can do a search and go straight to it (the page number can change very quickly).

SC

We are quite pleased by the thoughtful and detailed response from Shee City. Thank you very much.
No probs :)

Unfortunately, a certain mod - not nearly as friendly as the previously mentioned mod- disagreed, claiming that such "joke" resolutions were not worthy of the UN's time.
To be honest, I'd agree - it's a bit like the Hippo Appreciation Day proposal, it's fun for whoever writes and submits it, but another annoying proposal in a whole list of annoying proposals for delegates who have to vote on it.

I'd make a suggestion that you might be better off crafting those kind of things into Issues, many of which are fairly way-out anyway - and if you get an issue passed, there's the potential to affect more nations directly than getting a UN resolution passed, I think.

I personally do not have records of all of Etanistan's proposals, but there is one that has some hope until Saturday called "Tax on Excessive Income"
Ah yes - looked at this one, the bit that killed it for me was the "income distribution fund". The money isn't used to bring low-income nations up to the minimum poverty levels for high-income nations; it only gets people above the poverty line in their own country, and as such I don't see there's any reason for a UN governing body to control it - it's just excess bureaucracy, which wastes incredible amounts of money. But the idea of a tax to make the rich less rich and the poor less poor is sound. (You could even reduce the 1000x figure to something less; if your poverty line is 5k per year, then only people earning above 5million will be taxed; and you could have 15% or more of your population below the poverty line, even with a good economy.)

SC

we could always try being anarchist for awhile, maybe the anarchs would be better spellers....
[quote="Letila"]If it weren't for the regional delegates, the UN would be pretty much anarchist.
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