NationStates Jolt Archive

The lack of participation by UN Regional delegates is aweful. If you look at all the the proposals out there and the lack of actvity of supposidly all of the Regional delegates, it is clear people are not doing their jobs. The Regional delegates must be circumvented, I urge you to support the Freedom of Consideration resolution which would reduce to 60 votes needed by the Regional delegates for proposals to receive full consideration.

Catholic Europe supports this proposal. Some very worthy and good proposals do not reach quorum because of the fact that some many delegates do not participate and use their endorsing powers.

Lets just hope that this proposal does not suffer the same fate.

The Cylon Empire appreciates your support and thoughful approach toward this issue. We need more delegates like you in the UN!

Maybe most of the resolutions are not worthy of Delegate approval? Or perhaps many are busy outside of this game or did not want the Delegate position? Please try to keep an open mind and try not to be so harsh. Whatever the case, those Delegates were chosen by the nations of the region. If they are doing such a bad job, just withdraw your endorsement and have others do the same, then perhaps choose someone who closer fits your criterion of what a Delegate should be.

By the way, your proposal affects game mechanics, chances are it will be removed. Personally, I do not think 6% of the Delegates is too much to ask. Though I may be a bit biased since I got my resolution approved and passed in large numbers. See Resolution "Increase Access to Medicine."

The Cylon Empire appreciates your support and thoughful approach toward this issue. We need more delegates like you in the UN!

Well, the fact that I am not delegate proves what a mess the UN is in....oh well, at least I am an 'advisor'. :wink:

I strongly believe there are good resolutions out there depending on your political point of view. I also strongly believe these delegates don't review the proposals on a consistant basis and endorse proposals they agree with. I rather have the constant voting of the UN general assembly as you can see when proposals get to the full UN, people vote, thousands! The Regional delegates are hampering the democratic process. The number of approvals needed must be reduced.

Frankly I think the number of endorsements needed for a nation to be able to submit a proposal should be doubled so as to eliminate the majority of the bs proposals out there right now. As a former UN delegate; I can tell you now that sifting through all the crap proposals is a major time drain as it is.

edit: oh, and less than half of the UN membership ever votes on resolutions to begin with. If you get something to resolution status and get 8,000 "yes" votes, its in the bag regardless of the fact that there are almost 30,000 UN members out there.

As for the game mechanics, I believe minor changes should be allowed to be made by the Members of the UN. This merely would reduce a hard number, not necessarily the mechanics of the game. Again, UN members should be able to decide how they will consider proposals in a democratic fashion.

The number needs to be decreased, not increased. It should be up to the full body as to whether a proposal is "crap" or BS. If it is, they will recognize it and vote it down accordingly. This would also reduce the "burden" of the Regional delegates, as they wouldn't be bothered as much by the proposal sponsors.

Catholic, I think you need to become the delegate or strike out on your own and form a new region of responsible nations.

No, right now any nation with 2 endorsements can submit a proposal. The best way to eliminate the fluff is to take the required number of endorsements necessary before a nation can even submit a proposal and double it to 4.

No, right now any nation with 2 endorsements can submit a proposal. The best way to eliminate the fluff is to take the required number of endorsements necessary before a nation can even submit a proposal and double it to 4.
PoJ, you know me, I should be eligable to submit proposals, you know I wont submit stupid ones, but I only have 2 endorsemnt because of the lack of UN members in FIFA. I think 2 is the right amount to let those who should submit proposals submit them and keep out enough rubbish.

I don't believe the number of proposals is the problem. One can go through the proposals fairly quickly and pick out which are well written/quality proposals and which aren't. The problem is, people aren't taking the time to do that and its coming at the cost of the main UN members being able to decide important issues. That's why the influence of the Regional delegates needs to be reduced.

I have noticed that many proposals are not worth approval. I have gone through every one and everytime I log on I go through them again to see if any new have been added. As Delegate for the Pacific Islands I do my duty by looking at the proposals and approving those worth it but there hasn't been too many really good proposals lately. Since the number of Delegate approvals required to reach quorum is 6% of the total, I would suggest lowering that to 3% instead of setting a basic, unchanging number.

We agree with the Cylon Empire's assesment and have endorsed the Freedom of Consideration proposal. The UN members must be given a chance to vote as they see fit on these issues. They will most certainly vote down any poor quality proposals that may slip through.

PoJ, you know me, I should be eligable to submit proposals, you know I wont submit stupid ones, but I only have 2 endorsemnt because of the lack of UN members in FIFA. I think 2 is the right amount to let those who should submit proposals submit them and keep out enough rubbish.
YES I DO KNOW YOU !!

How goes it?

you brought up a point that bothered me after I posted because there was a time when none of us in TPOA would have been able to submit proposals.

No, right now any nation with 2 endorsements can submit a proposal. The best way to eliminate the fluff is to take the required number of endorsements necessary before a nation can even submit a proposal and double it to 4.

That will just reduce the number of proposals, stopping good and bad alike. Just because someone has lots of friends doesn't mean they aren't morons.

Look, I had a proposal identical to this, and it got deleted so don't get your hopes up. Another thing, you don't reduce the number of approvals needed, it works on a 6% of all delegates system, so you must lower the 6% to 5 or 4(4 if you want to lower it by about 60). And I tried to contact the admin about this, but obviously no one cares, and they want to keep it this way.

Whats funny, is that in the UN old resolutions list, the % was lowered from 15% to 5%, and never moved back up, so it should be at 5% now, but its not.

No, right now any nation with 2 endorsements can submit a proposal. The best way to eliminate the fluff is to take the required number of endorsements necessary before a nation can even submit a proposal and double it to 4.

I don't think that would help. The problem isn't endorsements, or % required for quorum, but the dire lack of quality of proposals.

I have 2 endorsements and am capable of writing a good proposal; I'm also a UN delegate who reads all proposals, and once you've taken out the duplicates, the game mechanics proposals and the crud, there's precious little left.

Incidentally, if I moved to a large region, I'd lose my delegate status but would probably gain a large amount of endorsements - for example, my sister's in the south pacific and has received 15 endorsements from people she doesn't know in less than a month.

SC

Frankly I think the number of endorsements needed for a nation to be able to submit a proposal should be doubled so as to eliminate the majority of the bs proposals out there right now. As a former UN delegate; I can tell you now that sifting through all the crap proposals is a major time drain as it is.

edit: oh, and less than half of the UN membership ever votes on resolutions to begin with. If you get something to resolution status and get 8,000 "yes" votes, its in the bag regardless of the fact that there are almost 30,000 UN members out there.

Agreed. We have too much legislation. Let's put on the brakes.

We noticed that the proposal by the Cylon Empire was deleted today. So much for democracy. The administrator has a lot to learn. We've introduced a new resolution today, similar to the Cylon Empire's. This goes along the same lines, but it is a RECOMMENDATION for the number needed for approving resoltions to be reduced. This would be the UN making a recommendation to the administrator that this action needs to be taken. It would be the UN speaking on a subject, not altering the mechanics of the game, but RECOMMENDING a change. Please support this new resolution, its called the FREEDOM TO VOTE

I agree. Delegates need to exercise their power, weed out poor proposals, and vote for ones that have the potential for a UN debate and vote.

This is in their hands and their hands alone.