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I have recenty wrote a proposal to decrease the drinking age to 16. If passed this would dramaticly increase the economy everywhere! If you have any questions why you should accpet my proposal please visit my propsal in the U.N. page. Also to all UN members vote NO to the resolution banning pop-ups. For any requests, suggestions, or just good ol fashoned flame :evil: feel free to post here

We have approved your resolution and will vote for it if it reaches the floor. Please visit our nation and use our national currency: the beer of your choice. Go to the bank, shop and get hammered all at once!

Enodia's laws have recently been amended to liberalise alcohol service along the lines of many southern European nations. While a nominal "drinking age" (of 16, interestingly enough) remains, restaurants and other dining establishments are no longer entitled to refuse service of alcohol to anyone.
We will, however, support this proposal should it come to the vote.

I'm underage (17) in RL and pretend to be 18 in pubs. In the current situation we get 16 and 17 year olds pretending to be 18, which isn't so bad.

But if we were to lower the age to 16 we would then get 14 year olds drinking. Think of the effect that would have on a teenagers education and future if they become regular drinkers. I only support the proposal with a strict age ID system enforced.

The idea of a "drinking age" should be abolished entirely. In its place there should be laws regarding public intoxication, drunk driving, and other such situations. Alcohol is not the problem, it is the manner of consumption. In moderation, there is no fault to be found in its consumption, and medical studies have shown that in small amounts alcohol can provide health benefits. A population that understands what is and is not reasonable in regards to consumption of alcohol is a healthier, safer society than one that simply restricts the availability.

I say why change it. Lowering the drinking age to 16 will just be putting more drunken drivers on the roads.

Surely this is a issue for each individual nation, not for the UN.
Nevertheless, the reason for having the drinking age set to 18 or higher is not just for social reasons, it's also for physical reasons. Its is accepted by most people that below 18 not everone's bodies can process alcohol properly without causing excessive damage to the persons body; by 18 everyone's body should be fully developed and it should be safer for them to drink. Because of this I beleive that the drinking age should remain at 18, but its not goign to stop me drinking underage :P

Some of you may think that alcohol will damage a childs body but I took some real life documented facts to help prove that wrong. For example Alcohol Concern states that "Although young people may at times drink in an uncontrolled way, most will not go on to develop serious problems. Common problems young people experience are the effects of severe intoxication and accidents." My proposal will not ban drinking and driving laws, and ID's are recommended but they are up to you or your parliment, congress, ect. Yes you may be thinking that this proposal will cause more accedents on the road, but you have to remember that in the end, teenagers will continue to drink no matter if this proposal is passed or not, and they will do it illegaly if it does not pass, with no profit to anyone in any sort of way. All the facts and my arguments are stated in my proposal, so if you want check it out. Not only will this proposal increase our economy greatly, but when we have a good economy, we can use it on welfare programs, defence, war efforts, for the common good, ect. Like I stated above, just see my proposal. Its called "Lower the Drinking age Limit" without the "" :) oh and the website where I got this fact is http://www.alcoholconcern.org.uk/files/20030819_160839_Young%20People%20and%20Alcohol.pdf
Thank you

One more thing, to Anthonycha. God bless you :D God bless you indeed

I don't see how this would "dramatically improve" the economy of any nation that implemented it. After all, the French have quite relaxed drinking laws, yet their economy is doing far worse than that of the US - in which some States the minimum legal age for consumption of alchohol is 21! I would vote against this, on the grounds that it would send the wrong message about alchohol consumption to those just below the age barrier, and actually hurt the economy in lost hours of work the morning after.

Zalurian.

Spurland supports any resolution to lower the drinking age to 16. As it is already 16 in our nation.

The idea of a "drinking age" should be abolished entirely. In its place there should be laws regarding public intoxication, drunk driving, and other such situations. Alcohol is not the problem, it is the manner of consumption. In moderation, there is no fault to be found in its consumption, and medical studies have shown that in small amounts alcohol can provide health benefits. A population that understands what is and is not reasonable in regards to consumption of alcohol is a healthier, safer society than one that simply restricts the availability.

The Community of Bariloche completely agrees with this and does not see a reason to give this proposal any more concern. In our nation, the selling alcoholic beverages is prohibited to anyone under 18 years old, but no one opposes the comsuption of them by minors.

The government of Chigwell Row is at present preparing legislation for the abolition of alchohol. The consumption of any intoxicating drink will be limited to senior government ministers and academics with a minimum of an M A Degree. The legislation will also state that those permitted to consume alchohol will be men only,under no circumstances are women permitted to imbibe. Penalty for failure to comply will ba a term of imprisonment of between 3 to 5 years with no remission.

The government of Chigwell Row is at present preparing legislation for the abolition of alchohol. The consumption of any intoxicating drink will be limited to senior government ministers and academics with a minimum of an M A Degree. The legislation will also state that those permitted to consume alchohol will be men only,under no circumstances are women permitted to imbibe. Penalty for failure to comply will ba a term of imprisonment of between 3 to 5 years with no remission.

I don't see how this would "dramatically improve" the economy of any nation that implemented it. After all, the French have quite relaxed drinking laws, yet their economy is doing far worse than that of the US - in which some States the minimum legal age for consumption of alchohol is 21! I would vote against this, on the grounds that it would send the wrong message about alchohol consumption to those just below the age barrier, and actually hurt the economy in lost hours of work the morning after.

Zalurian.
Yes but according to the CIA world Factbook, America has 5 times more people than france does! Also there are more grown-ups than teens in France where America has more Teenagers than france does

16! are you nuts?!
You didn't even start at 18, just right to 16...
Well, I am 15, and I still don't agree. People have a future to look to, and we have enough drunkards already. I have not and will not support this.

I have recenty wrote a proposal to decrease the drinking age to 16. If passed this would dramaticly increase the economy everywhere!

(OOC) Yeah...that is JUST what we need...a way for teens to be more annoying than they can already be. BAD idea...'nuff said.

It doesn't matter what age you set as the minimum drinking age kids will do it whther we tell them to or not.

Simple solution have NO drinking age, but harsher penalties for those caught drinking and driving or being drunk in public or something like that.

Example: drunk drivers should have their license revoked, put in a national database and should NEVER and I mean NEVER be allowed to drive in the US again.. If they injure or kil someone, its life without parole.

Its not a drinking age we need its a justice system with the balls to prosecute kids.

I have seen a lot of people drinking by the time they started high school, but mainly in their own homes, and at parties where they didn't need transport that night. Lowering the drinking age to 16 would only make many people 'legal' drinkers, instead of 'illegal' drinkers.

That's true, I think instead of making it illegal we should make people take responsablity for their actions instead of blaming parents and the things around them, allow drinking and it will no longer be cool, increase penaltys for doing it and people will think twice, but life and permenant revok is way to bad unless theres good public transportations.

You are forcing your beliefs on my country through this legislature and I will not abide it. Alcohol is not, and never will be legally available to minors under the age of 20, now or ever. Should this make it to the floor, I will vote against it.

Yes mooniten, you are correct about make the "Illegals" Legal, but at least now, we get something in return for making it legal. Economy will increase and then we can spend it on other things, such as welfare, or as some were saying better police, and isnt this what every country needs? Tighter Alcohol Comsumption laws? Yes if this passes teens can buy a beer or two, we get more money in return. I think what you all are saying is that Alcohol should be restricted so its not so not alot of it is consumed. If you help support this law, then we will get money for what is happening illagaly now. Either way, if they want the alcohol, they will get it. If we vote to Lower the drinking age limit, now where getting more money to help with government projects. This I belive will not help put more drunkards on the road because, Like I stated before, if they want it, they will get it.

How do insurance companies feel about this idea?


Will rates for 16 year old drivers go up if this passes?

Do ducks swim?

How do insurance companies feel about this idea?


Will rates for 16 year old drivers go up if this passes?

Do ducks swim?

Only when right-side-up. :wink:

Anyhow, this is yet another issue for individual nations to resolve, not the world as a whole. I think people should stop suggesting we hand our sovereignty over to UN for such trivial matters as pop-ups and the drinking age. I think the UN should only be used for issues of some importance and not this kind of stuff.

The Republic of Ithuania does not impose a legal minimum age for the consumption of uncooked alcohol at all--rather, it is left up to the discretion of the child's parents until the child reaches the age of majority or is no longer dependent on his parents for financial support. Should this pass, will we be *required* to implement a legal minimum?

The Enodian Government has recently conducted a study into the issue of "underage drinking", in order to work out if out laws needed the liberalisation which they have recently undergone.
What many social observers told the committee undertaking this study was very interesting. Namely, that the promotion of a drinking age promotes (unwittingly) a kind of "alcohol ignorance".
While there will always be a percentage of the "underage" population which will sneak into drinking establishments and take advantage of any opportunity to get drunk, there will also be a percentage which will do neither of those things. Upon attaining the age of 18 (or 16 or 21), these young people will be bombarded with more readily available alcohol than they ever have seen before in their lives.
It is the belief of the Enodian Council for Youth that many of the irresponsible acts caused by intoxicated youths are not caused by youths deliberately exceeding the amount of alcohol they can stand, but by youths who are simply unaware of how they react to alcohol and as such lose control.
Therefore, what needs to be implemented is a means of educating the youth about how much alcohol they can stand and how the varying sorts of alcohol differ. A public awareness campaign might make sense at first glance, but they are both costly and likely to be ignored by jaded youth. Thus, a program of (effectively) "learning by doing" is required. Let the youth of the country drink, while keeping them subject to the same DUI and public-intoxication laws which their parents have always been, so that they can learn how they react to alcohol.
While it might sound as though we have missed the part where the 12-year-old drunks go and trash the city, it stands to reason that the younger drinkers would be experiencing this activity in social situations with responsible older adults nearby.

well...I dont think I will get enough votes to pass this right now anyway, Maybe later when the world is ready :D

well...I dont think I will get enough votes to pass this right now anyway, Maybe later when the world is ready :D

well...I dont think I will get enough votes to pass this right now anyway, Maybe later when the world is ready :D

well...I dont think I will get enough votes to pass this right now anyway, Maybe later when the world is ready :D

Maybe you should just let it die. Forever. This is an issue best addressed by individual nations, not the UN.

Yes, can we see some proposals that are truly international, ones which single nations acting alone cannot adequately address?

WE HAS NO DRINKIN AGE. eF'N A WEE CABIN BOY CAN HOLD HIS LIKKER, HE CAN HAVE 'IS GROG.

In Norway, where I live in RL, they also implement a stricture that disallows the selling of liqour to anyone under 20, whereas beer is freely sold to anyone over 18. Though I myself think that this is ridiculous (you get the vote at eigtheen...), I still think that it should be within any countries sovereign right to regulate harmful substances in the way they wish, and not by international bodies.

If international bodies such as the UN are allowed to regulate every part of the citizens life in each country, what becomes of sovereignity ?