The Poor
I have made a proposal that should help the poor in our nations. It's name is called The Poor. What it does is creat more jobs in our nations so that the poor will no longer be living on the streets. They will have jobs and make money. With that money they will buy houses, go to the stores, buy cares, maybe even buy stocks. All of these things will have a trickle down effect. When they buy houses, house builders, carpenters, landscapers, furniture stores, hardware stores, gardeners will all make money for this house being built. When they buy cars car dealerships will order more to sell, car factories will have to make more, they will have to hire more people to build these cars, maybe even have to build new factories, this means buying more computers to go on the assembly line, people who build and program these computers will make money, people who build the parts for the computers will make money. They will go to the store and buy more products making the companies who manufator these products have to hire more people to meet the demand for their projects, people who make the packaging for the prodicts will make more money and hire more people. So as you see makeing more jobs for the poor would do nuthing but help the economy. Thats why I want your support for my proposal. The Poor.
We have approved your resolution and will vote for it if it reaches the floor.
I have made a proposal that should help the poor in our nations. It's name is called The Poor. What it does is creat more jobs in our nations so that the poor will no longer be living on the streets. They will have jobs and make money. With that money they will buy houses, go to the stores, buy cares, maybe even buy stocks. All of these things will have a trickle down effect. When they buy houses, house builders, carpenters, landscapers, furniture stores, hardware stores, gardeners will all make money for this house being built. When they buy cars car dealerships will order more to sell, car factories will have to make more, they will have to hire more people to build these cars, maybe even have to build new factories, this means buying more computers to go on the assembly line, people who build and program these computers will make money, people who build the parts for the computers will make money. They will go to the store and buy more products making the companies who manufator these products have to hire more people to meet the demand for their projects, people who make the packaging for the prodicts will make more money and hire more people. So as you see makeing more jobs for the poor would do nuthing but help the economy. Thats why I want your support for my proposal. The Poor.
How do you propose to create more jobs ?
create industry where it's been left to stagnate, bring the government back into the circle rather than letting them walk away from the needy in this world...
To create plenty of jobs you need to pay massive subsidies to inefficient and uncompetitive industries, to keep them going and reduce employment rights to make people cheaper to employ.
This will not make the poor less poor.
Believe me, I've tried all this already, except in my case it worked, cos I wasn't trying to help the poor, I'm just an evil sadistic bastard.
OOC: Read "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" by Robert Tressell.
create industry where it's been left to stagnate, bring the government back into the circle rather than letting them walk away from the needy in this world...
Well.. how do you create industry ? if you bring the government back in, won't they just give jobs to their rich friends ?
If you want to create more jobs, then you need to creat more industry; nt try and keep alive dead ones. The more factories you have, the more manfactured good you produce, the more you sell, the more money you make. Basic Ecnomics. And the only way to create a massive amount of factories in a short amount of time, is to increase taxes and build government factories. Unofrtunately, taxes would skyrocket, because then all employees would be protected by the government, and they would recieve all the benefits of government employees. Pretty soon, you'll have government labor unions, costing you even more money. Taxes will increase again, and the poor which you meant to help, is now taxed to the point of non-belief. This is just another way to try and make the government stronger, at the expense of the poor. You will also ruin private industry, because you would have to close down the competition to keep your factories alive. This bill is just another Communist idea trying to plauge our world!
//signed//
Oagar Doomblade,
Warlord of the Fiefdom of the Ferrott
What is it spost to do is bring in new industry. Bring in new goods. This proposal will haelp all of our nations if you will support it. No the jobs won't go to the rich, only to the poor. Thats what this whole proposal was made for was to creat new jobs for the poor of our nations to get them off of welfair. we can't do this without your support on my proposal. So please vote for.
What is it spost to do is bring in new industry. Bring in new goods. This proposal will haelp all of our nations if you will support it. No the jobs won't go to the rich, only to the poor. Thats what this whole proposal was made for was to creat new jobs for the poor of our nations to get them off of welfair. we can't do this without your support on my proposal. So please vote for.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
USS Sentra, I can not vote for it because, sure it's great but:
How do youm create jobs and industry?
It is nice to see the effect of this, but I can't vote for it, unless you can show me how all this would happen, otherwise it is poorly thought about...
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
Sorry for all of the posts. my comp said it didn't go through so I kept trying. If someone would delete all of those other I would appreciate it.
I have made a proposal that should help the poor in our nations. It's name is called The Poor. What it does is creat more jobs in our nations so that the poor will no longer be living on the streets. They will have jobs and make money. With that money they will buy houses, go to the stores, buy cares, maybe even buy stocks. All of these things will have a trickle down effect. When they buy houses, house builders, carpenters, landscapers, furniture stores, hardware stores, gardeners will all make money for this house being built. When they buy cars car dealerships will order more to sell, car factories will have to make more, they will have to hire more people to build these cars, maybe even have to build new factories, this means buying more computers to go on the assembly line, people who build and program these computers will make money, people who build the parts for the computers will make money. They will go to the store and buy more products making the companies who manufator these products have to hire more people to meet the demand for their projects, people who make the packaging for the prodicts will make more money and hire more people. So as you see makeing more jobs for the poor would do nuthing but help the economy. Thats why I want your support for my proposal. The Poor.
You basically you want to live in Communist China, before they started toward democratic reforms.
Yeah, because providing jobs for your citizens is really a communist idea and not one you want in your country. :roll:
That said, what exactly does your resolution propose?
Collaboration
08-01-2004, 09:02
Support micrenterprise.
Give very small scale entrepreneurs loans of $30,000 or less. Have groups of 4 independent but neighboring borrowers cosign each others loans. Then ask for NO collateral. Train the borrowers in fiscal practice, management and organization.
This is being done from Bangladesh to Surinam, with repayment rates at a collosal 97%. The loan companies quickly become self-sustaining requiring no tax support at all.
Each operation only employs an average of 5 people, but 4 of these are not family members, so the public benefits. With millions of borrowers, there are already tens of millions of jobs. Costing taxpayers nothing.
Creating jobs out of thin air just for the sake of giving people jobs is just retarded. If you create make-work jobs, then you'll wind up with a situation similar to that in the Soviet Union in which one factory made ball bearings, which were shipped to another factory to be melted down--which was then shipped back to the ball bearing factory to make ball bearings. The jobs that were "created" will do nothing to help the economy in general, and they're a waste of time and resources for everyone involved--especially the supposed beneficiaries of such jobs.
If you're going to do that, you might as well not require them to work for a living at all--in which case you've got to engage in a massive program of wealth redistribution, which is just wrong.
Smeagol-Gollum
08-01-2004, 10:12
I have made a proposal that should help the poor in our nations. It's name is called The Poor. What it does is creat more jobs in our nations so that the poor will no longer be living on the streets. They will have jobs and make money. With that money they will buy houses, go to the stores, buy cares, maybe even buy stocks. All of these things will have a trickle down effect. When they buy houses, house builders, carpenters, landscapers, furniture stores, hardware stores, gardeners will all make money for this house being built. When they buy cars car dealerships will order more to sell, car factories will have to make more, they will have to hire more people to build these cars, maybe even have to build new factories, this means buying more computers to go on the assembly line, people who build and program these computers will make money, people who build the parts for the computers will make money. They will go to the store and buy more products making the companies who manufator these products have to hire more people to meet the demand for their projects, people who make the packaging for the prodicts will make more money and hire more people. So as you see makeing more jobs for the poor would do nuthing but help the economy. Thats why I want your support for my proposal. The Poor.
The "TricKle Down Effect" is where the rich pee on the poor.
The only realistic answer, IMHO, is for redistribution of wealth. Tax the super rich more, spend that on creating new industry. The idea that an actor or singer can "earn" more money than the GDP of same poor nations is, to me, obscene.
You could do what I do, but I know you won't.
What is it you do?
You give tax break to big industries to get them to bring their factories into your nation. when they do this they will have to build factories, and then hire people to work in them. You do what ever you have to to get the big industires to come to your nation and build factories.
OOC: Getting foreign companies to set up factories in your country will rarely do anything for the economy. From a world perspective, you're not creating jobs, your moving them. From your perspective, lots of money is being generated for bank accounts outside your country.
IC: From my perspective, it is much more fun to spit on the people in the gutter. King Flubbert III
The "TricKle Down Effect" is where the rich pee on the poor.
The only realistic answer, IMHO, is for redistribution of wealth. Tax the super rich more, spend that on creating new industry.
How about instead we let people KEEP what's theirs, ok?
The idea that an actor or singer can "earn" more money than the GDP of same poor nations is, to me, obscene.
Then you are an idiot.
The "TricKle Down Effect" is where the rich pee on the poor.
The only realistic answer, IMHO, is for redistribution of wealth. Tax the super rich more, spend that on creating new industry.
How about instead we let people KEEP what's theirs, ok?
What vehemence, tempered by so little logic. Why is it 'theirs'?
The idea that an actor or singer can "earn" more money than the GDP of same poor nations is, to me, obscene.
Then you are an idiot.
And it seems you are judgemental, minister.
Not everyone thinks greed is a beautiful sight.
- Jordan, Monarch of Archaeus
Shee City
08-01-2004, 18:59
The "TricKle Down Effect" is where the rich pee on the poor.
The only realistic answer, IMHO, is for redistribution of wealth. Tax the super rich more, spend that on creating new industry.
How about instead we let people KEEP what's theirs, ok?
Depends how they got it - what if they steal it? What if they get it otherwise illegally (fencing, drug dealing, money laundering)?
The idea that an actor or singer can "earn" more money than the GDP of same poor nations is, to me, obscene.
Then you are an idiot.
Ah, nothing like an ad hominem attack to improve the quality of debate. Personally I think it might be a good idea if reward was related to hard work, talent and the good a person does for society - that way you make sure that doctors get paid more than bus drivers. (Don't laugh, that was the case in the old USSR.)
SC
The "TricKle Down Effect" is where the rich pee on the poor.
The only realistic answer, IMHO, is for redistribution of wealth. Tax the super rich more, spend that on creating new industry.
How about instead we let people KEEP what's theirs, ok?
What vehemence, tempered by so little logic. Why is it 'theirs'?
Because they obtained it with the consent of the prior owner, who himself obtained it with the consent of the prior owner, etc., etc.
The idea that an actor or singer can "earn" more money than the GDP of same poor nations is, to me, obscene.
Then you are an idiot.
And it seems you are judgemental, minister.[/quote]
So? Heaven forbid one should pass judgment on evil.
Not everyone thinks greed is a beautiful sight.
Then those people are morons. Greed--rational self-interest--is THE most moral motivation of all, because it is the only motivation that is compatible with continuance of life.
The "TricKle Down Effect" is where the rich pee on the poor.
The only realistic answer, IMHO, is for redistribution of wealth. Tax the super rich more, spend that on creating new industry.
How about instead we let people KEEP what's theirs, ok?
What vehemence, tempered by so little logic. Why is it 'theirs'?
Because they obtained it with the consent of the prior owner, who himself obtained it with the consent of the prior owner, etc., etc.
What difference does that make? Ownership is nothing more than an abstract relationship between people and objects/territory. Where did the obtaining start? I don't think it's morally transparent all the way down...
The question I'm asking is, why should 'ownership' take precedence over practicality when we're dealing with humanity's collective interests?
I'm not saying we should stop people from owning private property. I'm saying that property rights shouldn't be the be-all and end-all.
The idea that an actor or singer can "earn" more money than the GDP of same poor nations is, to me, obscene.
Then you are an idiot.
And it seems you are judgemental, minister.
So? Heaven forbid one should pass judgment on evil.
What? Evil? Do you mean that greed isn't at all evil while protection is?
Not everyone thinks greed is a beautiful sight.
Then those people are morons. Greed--rational self-interest--is THE most moral motivation of all, because it is the only motivation that is compatible with continuance of life.
That is a rather flawed argument. Are you saying corruption and self-interest are entirely moral? Can you define 'rational' self-interest, and why extreme greed counts? Do you mean that healthcare and a reasonable quality of life for all don't help people live? I should point out that people with no healthcare or means to live will die very fast. Not what I'd call 'continuation of life'.
- Archaeus
whoa! was it just me or was that last post posted multiple time. Maybemy computer is acting up.
Uhmm...basically a good idea. Its so nice to see someone with a basic understanding of how an economy works and who understands that more business is better. However, i do see a few weak spots and I have a few questions.
1) uhm...if a person is poor than how educated are they. Will they be able to do a job well enough to have the company survive?
2) would you only offer these jobs to the poor? What if someone else wanted them? Would they be able to apply??
3.) Are you considering the manufacturing workers who have lost their jobs in a decreasingly industrial economy as poor, or are they a different category? Most of them wouldn't be termed 'poor', just out of work. Wouldn't they want the jobs first since they have experience and all?
4) This refers to number 1: If you educate a person to pull a wedge or whatever, how much good are you doing them? What if your proposal doesnt work??
:arrow: Now, i think i've understood how you mean to create industry, but i'm not sure. I think you mean to lower business taxes to draw business back?? Is that right or did i read that somewhere else? That would be one way to do it. Or you could lower the minimum wage-but that would bring the Unions on top of your head. Unless youre a dictator like me who doesn't care.
:idea: What i'm about to say I always bring up because I don't think that a lot of people get to hear this point of view being that its pretty radical in terms of our thinking but....there is an argument, one that I can understand and partially ascribe to although its very idealist, that says that the government should completely stay away from matters of the economy and welfare. Not the modern conception of laissez-faire where companies are allowed to abuse their workers that came into the United States in the early 1900s if not slightly before but the old one. The Laissez-faire idea that says that government should try to stay out of the economy as much as possible and try not to support or hurt any particuar industry but let the invisible hand do its work. The current idea seems to be (this is in the US now) that the government is in charge of the economy and the President is to congradulate or blame however is fitting. This may be true now, but should it be? The same can be said of a welfare system. Should the government actively try to provide and care for the poor? Noone would argue that the poor should not be taken care of, the question is who does it. Some people would argue that only individual citizens and private charities should do it. So, thats a little tidbit I don't think gets in the open a lot of the time. hope you enjoyed it, its an interesting thought.
Cheers,
The Current Dictator
whoa! was it just me or was that last post posted multiple time. Maybemy computer is acting up.
Uhmm...basically a good idea. Its so nice to see someone with a basic understanding of how an economy works and who understands that more business is better. However, i do see a few weak spots and I have a few questions.
1) uhm...if a person is poor than how educated are they. Will they be able to do a job well enough to have the company survive?
2) would you only offer these jobs to the poor? What if someone else wanted them? Would they be able to apply??
3.) Are you considering the manufacturing workers who have lost their jobs in a decreasingly industrial economy as poor, or are they a different category? Most of them wouldn't be termed 'poor', just out of work. Wouldn't they want the jobs first since they have experience and all?
4) This refers to number 1: If you educate a person to pull a wedge or whatever, how much good are you doing them? What if your proposal doesnt work??
:arrow: Now, i think i've understood how you mean to create industry, but i'm not sure. I think you mean to lower business taxes to draw business back?? Is that right or did i read that somewhere else? That would be one way to do it. Or you could lower the minimum wage-but that would bring the Unions on top of your head. Unless youre a dictator like me who doesn't care.
:idea: What i'm about to say I always bring up because I don't think that a lot of people get to hear this point of view being that its pretty radical in terms of our thinking but....there is an argument, one that I can understand and partially ascribe to although its very idealist, that says that the government should completely stay away from matters of the economy and welfare. Not the modern conception of laissez-faire where companies are allowed to abuse their workers that came into the United States in the early 1900s if not slightly before but the old one. The Laissez-faire idea that says that government should try to stay out of the economy as much as possible and try not to support or hurt any particuar industry but let the invisible hand do its work. The current idea seems to be (this is in the US now) that the government is in charge of the economy and the President is to congradulate or blame however is fitting. This may be true now, but should it be? The same can be said of a welfare system. Should the government actively try to provide and care for the poor? Noone would argue that the poor should not be taken care of, the question is who does it. Some people would argue that only individual citizens and private charities should do it. So, thats a little tidbit I don't think gets in the open a lot of the time. hope you enjoyed it, its an interesting thought.
Cheers,
The Current Dictator
whoa! was it just me or was that last post posted multiple time. Maybemy computer is acting up.
Uhmm...basically a good idea. Its so nice to see someone with a basic understanding of how an economy works and who understands that more business is better. However, i do see a few weak spots and I have a few questions.
1) uhm...if a person is poor than how educated are they. Will they be able to do a job well enough to have the company survive?
2) would you only offer these jobs to the poor? What if someone else wanted them? Would they be able to apply??
3.) Are you considering the manufacturing workers who have lost their jobs in a decreasingly industrial economy as poor, or are they a different category? Most of them wouldn't be termed 'poor', just out of work. Wouldn't they want the jobs first since they have experience and all?
4) This refers to number 1: If you educate a person to pull a wedge or whatever, how much good are you doing them? What if your proposal doesnt work??
:arrow: Now, i think i've understood how you mean to create industry, but i'm not sure. I think you mean to lower business taxes to draw business back?? Is that right or did i read that somewhere else? That would be one way to do it. Or you could lower the minimum wage-but that would bring the Unions on top of your head. Unless youre a dictator like me who doesn't care.
:idea: What i'm about to say I always bring up because I don't think that a lot of people get to hear this point of view being that its pretty radical in terms of our thinking but....there is an argument, one that I can understand and partially ascribe to although its very idealist, that says that the government should completely stay away from matters of the economy and welfare. Not the modern conception of laissez-faire where companies are allowed to abuse their workers that came into the United States in the early 1900s if not slightly before but the old one. The Laissez-faire idea that says that government should try to stay out of the economy as much as possible and try not to support or hurt any particuar industry but let the invisible hand do its work. The current idea seems to be (this is in the US now) that the government is in charge of the economy and the President is to congradulate or blame however is fitting. This may be true now, but should it be? The same can be said of a welfare system. Should the government actively try to provide and care for the poor? Noone would argue that the poor should not be taken care of, the question is who does it. Some people would argue that only individual citizens and private charities should do it. So, thats a little tidbit I don't think gets in the open a lot of the time. hope you enjoyed it, its an interesting thought.
Cheers,
The Current Dictator
Wow somebody finally understands what I am trying to do. I am shocked. For those of you who have supported my proposal so far I applaud you. For those who haven't I am ashamed to call you a human. You don't even care about the poor. Yes if you would put aside your doubts for a few minutes and read what I post realy read it you might actually get your questions answered.
whoa! was it just me or was that last post posted multiple time. Maybemy computer is acting up.
Uhmm...basically a good idea. Its so nice to see someone with a basic understanding of how an economy works and who understands that more business is better. However, i do see a few weak spots and I have a few questions.
1) uhm...if a person is poor than how educated are they. Will they be able to do a job well enough to have the company survive?
We will put them on to be trained by other others who know how to do the job.
2) would you only offer these jobs to the poor? What if someone else wanted them? Would they be able to apply??
only if these people have no jobs will they be able to apply for the job.
3.) Are you considering the manufacturing workers who have lost their jobs in a decreasingly industrial economy as poor, or are they a different category? Most of them wouldn't be termed 'poor', just out of work. Wouldn't they want the jobs first since they have experience and all?
Yes people who have lost their jobs are considered poor. So yes they would be able to apply for the jobs.
4) This refers to number 1: If you educate a person to pull a wedge or whatever, how much good are you doing them? What if your proposal doesnt work??
This will do alot of good. After the employees are trained they will get the option to go to school to learn the basics they need to know to get a ged. And then after that they may go to school on thier own money.
Now, i think i've understood how you mean to create industry, but i'm not sure. I think you mean to lower business taxes to draw business back?? Is that right or did i read that somewhere else? That would be one way to do it. Or you could lower the minimum wage-but that would bring the Unions on top of your head. Unless youre a dictator like me who doesn't care.
Yes I plan to lower the taxes for busineses to get them to build new plants and factories in our nations. This will bring in alot of needed jobs and thus decrease unimployment.
What i'm about to say I always bring up because I don't think that a lot of people get to hear this point of view being that its pretty radical in terms of our thinking but....there is an argument, one that I can understand and partially ascribe to although its very idealist, that says that the government should completely stay away from matters of the economy and welfare. Not the modern conception of laissez-faire where companies are allowed to abuse their workers that came into the United States in the early 1900s if not slightly before but the old one. The Laissez-faire idea that says that government should try to stay out of the economy as much as possible and try not to support or hurt any particuar industry but let the invisible hand do its work. The current idea seems to be (this is in the US now) that the government is in charge of the economy and the President is to congradulate or blame however is fitting. This may be true now, but should it be? The same can be said of a welfare system. Should the government actively try to provide and care for the poor? Noone would argue that the poor should not be taken care of, the question is who does it. Some people would argue that only individual citizens and private charities should do it. So, thats a little tidbit I don't think gets in the open a lot of the time. hope you enjoyed it, its an interesting thought.
Cheers,
The Current Dictator
The poor are one of the many victims of hierarchy.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
This proposal is here to help the poor. Noone else right now. I ike to focuse on one thing at a time. So that I can devote all of my attention to it. I would appreciate your help by voting for my proposal. If this proposal is let to hit the voting floor and passes it it will greatly improve all of our nations.
This proposal is here to help the poor. Noone else right now. I ike to focuse on one thing at a time. So that I can devote all of my attention to it. I would appreciate your help by voting for my proposal. If this proposal is let to hit the voting floor and passes it it will greatly improve all of our nations.
This proposal is here to help the poor. Noone else right now. I ike to focuse on one thing at a time. So that I can devote all of my attention to it. I would appreciate your help by voting for my proposal. If this proposal is let to hit the voting floor and passes it it will greatly improve all of our nations.
It's sad to see so many people suffer due to social classes.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
This proposal is here to help the poor. Noone else right now. I ike to focuse on one thing at a time. So that I can devote all of my attention to it. I would appreciate your help by voting for my proposal. If this proposal is let to hit the voting floor and passes it it will greatly improve all of our nations.
Who's going to pay for your "tax breaks" ?
Catholic Europe
09-01-2004, 21:08
Catholic Europe supports this proposal in essence. However, we will need to think more carefully about the specifics of the proposal befoer commiting our UN delegate to endorsing it.
I am going to re-submit the proposal since it ran out of time. this time I will make it more expplainitroy and hopefully you will all approve it.
I have proposed an idea to bring the poor and thoise who have lost their jobs due to factory shutdows off the street and into a job. The way I plan to do this is to give tax breaks to big companies that are allready there so that they will build more factorys, and thus employing more employees. The companies may only hire those people who have lost their jobs and those who are poor barely making enough money to feed themselves. This proposal helps more than the poor though. It also help builders, designers, manufatorers of machines that will go into these factories and many more. The way we will pay for the tax break is to raise the taxes of the rich. For to long they have paid less than the poor while makeing millions more. We will also offer dills to outside companies if they will build thier factories in our nations.
I have proposed an idea to bring the poor and thoise who have lost their jobs due to factory shutdows off the street and into a job. The way I plan to do this is to give tax breaks to big companies that are allready there so that they will build more factorys, and thus employing more employees. The companies may only hire those people who have lost their jobs and those who are poor barely making enough money to feed themselves. This proposal helps more than the poor though. It also help builders, designers, manufatorers of machines that will go into these factories and many more. The way we will pay for the tax break is to raise the taxes of the rich. For to long they have paid less than the poor while makeing millions more. We will also offer dills to outside companies if they will build thier factories in our nations.
Why don't we just get rid of capitalism? That solves the problem far better.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
Yes But that would be to much of a drastic change. I would just like for this proposal to be passed. I will continue to proposing it until it gets approved. I will be adjusting each time. Next time I will add that the companis may only hire people from our nations and no outsiders.
What exactly does your proposal propose?
What it does is decreases the amount of people on welfare, an makes our nations a better place by giving them jobs. But no one here seems to care about our poor.
My question is how does it do this?
By lowering taxes for businesses if they build their factories in our nations. and also by trying to get companies ourside of our nations to come and build their factories in our nations. The way we will pay for these tax cuts is to tax the rich more.
This proposal might not be appealing as the oters but none the less it needs and deserves all of yours attention. This is a proposal that you all need to see and approve if you want to improve your nation.
The Global Market
11-01-2004, 17:16
I have made a proposal that should help the poor in our nations. It's name is called The Poor. What it does is creat more jobs in our nations so that the poor will no longer be living on the streets. They will have jobs and make money. With that money they will buy houses, go to the stores, buy cares, maybe even buy stocks. All of these things will have a trickle down effect. When they buy houses, house builders, carpenters, landscapers, furniture stores, hardware stores, gardeners will all make money for this house being built. When they buy cars car dealerships will order more to sell, car factories will have to make more, they will have to hire more people to build these cars, maybe even have to build new factories, this means buying more computers to go on the assembly line, people who build and program these computers will make money, people who build the parts for the computers will make money. They will go to the store and buy more products making the companies who manufator these products have to hire more people to meet the demand for their projects, people who make the packaging for the prodicts will make more money and hire more people. So as you see makeing more jobs for the poor would do nuthing but help the economy. Thats why I want your support for my proposal. The Poor.
You want the government to give special interests to big business under the guise of helping the poor? Last time we did that, it was called FASCISM.
:twisted: Make your poor people live underground then no one cares
Poverty is the price you pay for obsessing over little metal disks.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
It seems to me that any proposal that might help the poor does not get support. You the un delegates should all be firored and someone else more compitant should take over your jobs. Somebody who will acctually vote for proposals that will help the peopl. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Don't look at me. The capitalists think property is the be-all and end-all of life. Try convincing them.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.
those delegates who do not take part in voting for proposals or those delegates who do not vote for proposals that will help the people of our nations should all be removed as delegates. I am asshamed to thos epeople as delegates.
Collaboration
12-01-2004, 07:44
Too often policy decision are seen in deceptive "either-or" terms.
Life is more complex than that; here are many options.
Why should the choice be between big business and government welfare?
How about little business? Small enterprises have fewer of the negative social impacts associated with multinationals, yet in the aggregate they can provide a strong economic base.
No exporting of jobs.
No vote-buying.
Greater sensitivity to consumer needs.
Greater flexibilty for innovation; less tied to capital investment in outmoded systems.
Greater local visibility and accessibility.
It's like free enterprise without the disadvantages of bigger businesses.