NationStates Jolt Archive

A few days ago, some bright boy or girl thought it would be cute to set up a thread with a poll entitled, Outlaw Capitalism Internationally?, with three ridiculously biased and circularly-reasoned "choices" as possible responses.

Turnabout is fair play. Enjoy.

-- The Armed Republic of Nova Lox (UN Delegate for Locketonia)

What would you define as communism? You can't ban something without a good definition.

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Well... Pan-Icaria didn't really define capitalism either... it's one of those implied things.

Well... Pan-Icaria didn't really define capitalism either... it's one of those implied things.

crap! wrong vote! I wish to change my vote from "Yes, I am a fucking moron" to "No, I want to be free"

well, who ever wrote survey is closed minded. They should have put yes or no. Not Yes I want to be free or No the government should control everything. Marxism teaches that the people are the government. The People own the means of production. I would like to tell the dumbass who wrote this survey origanaly is a moron. They need to study what they present to the rest of the world before they make outlandish claims.

What would you define as communism? You can't ban something without a good definition.

You are correct, of course, but this poll is intended as a satire of the recent (and still ongoing) poll about banning CAPITALISM.

well, who ever wrote survey is closed minded. They should have put yes or no. Not Yes I want to be free or No the government should control everything. Marxism teaches that the people are the government. The People own the means of production. I would like to tell the dumbass who wrote this survey origanaly is a moron. They need to study what they present to the rest of the world before they make outlandish claims.

Three things, cherry ass.

First, I'm the one who wrote it.

Second, based on what you just wrote, I'd say you're the dumbass. Communism? Check the scoreboard.

Third, the entire point of this poll/thread is as a satire of another current poll/thread that essentially asks, with equally biased "answer options," whether we should Ban Capitalism Internationally.

Thank you for playing.

Yes, get rid of that and outlaw it, thus resulting in the getting rid of liberals, woot!!!! :lol:


well, who ever wrote survey is closed minded. They should have put yes or no. Not Yes I want to be free or No the government should control everything. Marxism teaches that the people are the government. The People own the means of production. I would like to tell the dumbass who wrote this survey origanaly is a moron. They need to study what they present to the rest of the world before they make outlandish claims.

I take it you didn't read a god damn thing in this thread :roll:

Pssss-Guys

Im pretty sure this threat was made just as joke. :wink:

Idiot...Communism does not exist, therefore it does not need to be outlawed..

Pssss-Guys

Im pretty sure this threat was made just as joke. :wink:

Thank you for making that clear. Whatever happened to that sense of humor resolution that passed in the UN not too long ago?

Would the money-less Letilan society be communist or just socialist?

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Do you mean outlawing the Communist economic system or the Communist government?

well, who ever wrote survey is closed minded. They should have put yes or no. Not Yes I want to be free or No the government should control everything. Marxism teaches that the people are the government. The People own the means of production. I would like to tell the dumbass who wrote this survey origanaly is a moron. They need to study what they present to the rest of the world before they make outlandish claims.But look at the implications of communism. It emphisises the state and the group as above all else. In a world of pure communism there would be no room for the iduvidual, thus creating a stagnent comformist society, one which I would never follow. In practice it generates corrupt dictators, with the party controling everything and everyone else with nothing at all. Communism is bad, in theory and practice. In this game however I see no reason to outlaw it since it's a nation simulation game, not real life, thus outlawing a goverment form is stupid in this game.

Agreed, to the hell with equality and free healthcare! Up with poverty and crime!

Agreed, to the hell with equality and free healthcare! Up with poverty and crime!

Since real equality would make the world a nasty, boring place to live in, and is impossible anyways, we need to value freedom above equality.

Since free healthcare isn't really free, it's stolen (unless your doctors somehow manage not to eat and the equipment and buildings fall from the sky), it is unjustified.

Well, the nations with the most poverty are all actual or former dictatorships... no free-market nation has widespread poverty.

And remember that its no less criminal for the government to rob you than for me to rob you.

Agreed, to the hell with equality and free healthcare! Up with poverty and crime!

Since real equality would make the world a nasty, boring place to live in, and is impossible anyways, we need to value freedom above equality.

Since free healthcare isn't really free, it's stolen (unless your doctors somehow manage not to eat and the equipment and buildings fall from the sky), it is unjustified.

Well, the nations with the most poverty are all actual or former dictatorships... no free-market nation has widespread poverty.

And remember that its no less criminal for the government to rob you than for me to rob you.

Ah, Global darling. I come back after a long and blissful absense to this waste of time that is the UN forum, and guess who is the most active, most redundant and by the one with by far the least to say?....Uh not you actually, but you're up there with the top pretenders for the crown.

Can't you understand that your railing about the state stealing from you is far, far more tired than even that famous ''property is theft'' slogan?

Come on, try saying something new for a change. I know you can do it if you try.

If you're talking about stalinism, then yes, outlaw it, otherwise, no.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

You can't simply ban one government or another. It should be the choice of the nation to decide how they want to run their government.

But look at the implications of communism. It emphisises the state and the group as above all else. In a world of pure communism there would be no room for the iduvidual, thus creating a stagnent comformist society, one which I would never follow. In practice it generates corrupt dictators, with the party controling everything and everyone else with nothing at all. Communism is bad, in theory and practice. In this game however I see no reason to outlaw it since it's a nation simulation game, not real life, thus outlawing a goverment form is stupid in this game.

Actually it does not emphasise the state - the eventual aim of communism is an anarchic society.

Communism? Check the scoreboard.

Hmmm, so let's see:

Capitalists most powerful (although it isn't true anarcho-capitalism, it's a more restrained version)
Stalinism looked powerful and dangerous but is dramatically (and thankfully) reduced to a couple of small dictatorships
Marxist Socialism had a brief run
Marxist communism hasn't begun

The world has never seen true communism, so don't judge.

Actually, the world has seen communism. In Cuba. And, guess what? It works!

If any Americans reply to this thread saying it doesn't, I'm afraid thats just what your Communism-fearing government say, and not actually true.

To the starter of the poll. Right you are.

Everybody who wants to outlaw something should get it in its thick brain that if you are willing to outlaw the other, the other might turn the tables around and outlaw you.

Threat an other like you want to be threated yourself.

The good thing is that since I defend against outlawing capitalism, my opinion about outlawing communism has at least some weight.


Outlawing any of them is not the way. Both might not be perfectly implemented, but enslaving the other to your own will is not the way.

But at least good to know for the one who favored dicatorships that he has more hidden support than is officially admitted ;).

Actually, the world has seen communism. In Cuba. And, guess what? It works!

If any Americans reply to this thread saying it doesn't, I'm afraid thats just what your Communism-fearing government say, and not actually true.

No Cuba is Marxist Socialist if anything - Marx said that the benevolent dictatorship of the proletariat, which was socialism, (you might call cuba this) would eventually fade away until there was no government - that final stage is true communism.

NB. I don't support Marx because I cannot accept the dictatorship stage, and am not comfortable with hard work and effort not being rewarded.

But look at the implications of communism. It emphisises the state and the group as above all else. In a world of pure communism there would be no room for the iduvidual, thus creating a stagnent comformist society, one which I would never follow. In practice it generates corrupt dictators, with the party controling everything and everyone else with nothing at all. Communism is bad, in theory and practice. In this game however I see no reason to outlaw it since it's a nation simulation game, not real life, thus outlawing a goverment form is stupid in this game.

Actually it does not emphasise the state - the eventual aim of communism is an anarchic society.

Communism? Check the scoreboard.

Hmmm, so let's see:

Capitalists most powerful (although it isn't true anarcho-capitalism, it's a more restrained version)
Stalinism looked powerful and dangerous but is dramatically (and thankfully) reduced to a couple of small dictatorships
Marxist Socialism had a brief run
Marxist communism hasn't begun

The world has never seen true communism, so don't judge.

By that logic, the world has never seen true capitalism, thus everything we say is reduced to pure theory.

Actually, the world has seen communism. In Cuba. And, guess what? It works!

If any Americans reply to this thread saying it doesn't, I'm afraid thats just what your Communism-fearing government say, and not actually true.

No, it dose not. Because my mothers best friend is a Cuban Refugee. She can get a Visa to visit realitives there, and she says it's awful there.

"After studying the bible pretty closely, and determining that most "christians" were even attempting to employ the morality that Jesus would have wished, I started talking to "christians" about it. I would, in fact, quote the bible, but instead of quoting the Bible conventionally, I would take what Jesus said, and say it myself, without giving Jesus credit. At this point, I was called a Marxist by a "Christian" conservative."

Nuff said.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

But look at the implications of communism. It emphisises the state and the group as above all else. In a world of pure communism there would be no room for the iduvidual, thus creating a stagnent comformist society, one which I would never follow. In practice it generates corrupt dictators, with the party controling everything and everyone else with nothing at all. Communism is bad, in theory and practice. In this game however I see no reason to outlaw it since it's a nation simulation game, not real life, thus outlawing a goverment form is stupid in this game.

Actually it does not emphasise the state - the eventual aim of communism is an anarchic society.

Communism? Check the scoreboard.

Hmmm, so let's see:

Capitalists most powerful (although it isn't true anarcho-capitalism, it's a more restrained version)
Stalinism looked powerful and dangerous but is dramatically (and thankfully) reduced to a couple of small dictatorships
Marxist Socialism had a brief run
Marxist communism hasn't begun

The world has never seen true communism, so don't judge.

By that logic, the world has never seen true capitalism, thus everything we say is reduced to pure theory.

Like you global market.
Me is actually thinking, it would the whole discussion between communists and kapitalists turn too mood.

Fair enough. So you figured it out. Old christianity was actually one of the early forms of communism. The whole sharing thing was as commy as hell, and jezus was the biggest commy of all.

Thereby pointing out that nowadays christians are no good christians at all (often, not all).

Fair enough. So you figured it out. Old christianity was actually one of the early forms of communism. The whole sharing thing was as commy as hell, and jezus was the biggest commy of all.

Thereby pointing out that nowadays christians are no good christians at all (often, not all).

Only... not, because Christian communism was completey voluntary for all members of the commune, whereas real communism is not (try to get 150 million people to agree on any political system).

Grin, I suppose christianity you could say that christianity ended being communist at the same they start forcing people to christian. However I understood that early mediaval christian villages still acted like commies.

You can't blame them for not being able to do that with 150 milion people, because they just didn't exist then :P.

So your idea of free speech is banning peoples choices?

I never would have expected it.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Actually freedom is about banning things.

Actually, the world has seen communism. In Cuba. And, guess what? It works!

If any Americans reply to this thread saying it doesn't, I'm afraid thats just what your Communism-fearing government say, and not actually true.

Then why do I see half of Cuba in the US? My parents and grandparents grew up in a communist government- don't try telling me it works.
Unless you favor a world where unskilled labor pays more than doctors who save people's lives.

I never really got the impression that cuba works that well. But I have to admit that some people have been doing there best to indoctrinate me. Afcourse I don't know if that is the commie part of the dictator part.

Of course the government is going to pick communism. How do we know if the country which picked communism asked the people?

Hmm...lots of people say Cuba doesn't work, and I believe that they're all American. Nuff said.

Frankly I don't care. The subject is to heavily emotionally loaded to get an objective study on the way anyways.

By that logic, the world has never seen true capitalism, thus everything we say is reduced to pure theory.

But most people who support capitalism don't support anarcho-capitalism. The argument is generally between communists and moderate capitalists (i.e. advocates of the type of system that, say, the US has), when there are many examples of where moderate capitalism has been/is in place but none where communism has happened.

Although we don’t agree with forcing government structures on contries we support satires.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Back New World

Thinking about it, you're right. It's all a big piss take. Why are we bothering to have this argument?

is this a working communism? an actual government of the people, equally sharing the responsibilty of government. or is it a totalitarian society in the guise of communism? like we have seen in the real world. :?

Hmm...lots of people say Cuba doesn't work, and I believe that they're all American. Nuff said.
Duhhh.... no one in Cuba can afford a computer, except for Fidel Castro. If they had that much money, they wouldn't be allowed to own a computer anyway, but it wouldn't matter, because they'd be spending it on the chance to risk their lives crossing the ocean in a leaky rowboat for the chance of getting the lowest-paying jobs America has to offer. When was the last time any American tried to escape into Cuba?
Idiot.

Well, what do you expect, with all the US trade embargoes against them? They've got the whole world vs Cuba, and the Cubans still do okay. Anyway, with scenery like they've got, why would you want to spend all your time zoned out in front of a PC. If the US lifted the embargoes, there'd be no stopping them. But George Dubya won't, because he's a shit who got voted in by uses words like 'Power', which Yanks respond to.

i wouldn't say that the American cuban embargo encompasses the world, as cubas main export is still available everywhere accept America and its protectorants. cuba does have nice scenery, but the lack of freedom does not make up for a postcard view. mho.

Who says they have a lack of freedom? The US. And the embargoes do emcompass the world, because nearly everybody sucks up to the Americans (I mean, look at Tony Blair). Cubans have plenty of freedom (that's one of the things communism is about), they just don't have that much money, by no fault of their own.

I did not agree with the "Internationally Outlaw Capitalism" idea nor will I agree with the "Internationally Outlaw Communism" idea. Again, people ought to be able to choose whatever economic system they wish. This post in my opinion is childish and clearly belliegerent as it is just an attempt to baclash at "Internationall Outlaw Capitalism".

If you're talking about soiet union style communism, I'm all for this banning it.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

I did not agree with the "Internationally Outlaw Capitalism" idea nor will I agree with the "Internationally Outlaw Communism" idea. Again, people ought to be able to choose whatever economic system they wish. This post in my opinion is childish and clearly belliegerent as it is just an attempt to baclash at "Internationall Outlaw Capitalism".

Since this is a Nation-sim game, I agree with you, but in real life, the people often aren't the ones choosing the system (even a majority vote doesn't represent all the people... just the majority). Lassiez-faire capitalism is the only truly voluntary system.

Unless you're poor and struggle to stay alive working in a workplace with few safety precautions and little pay?

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Unless you're poor and struggle to stay alive working in a workplace with few safety precautions and little pay?

Hey, as much as you can make excuses, that doesn't change the fact that when you work, you are performing a voluntary action.

Unless you're poor and struggle to stay alive working in a workplace with few safety precautions and little pay?

Hey, as much as you can make excuses, that doesn't change the fact that when you work, you are performing a voluntary action.

I know. Bosses give the workers a lot of say in business policies. :roll:

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

I know. Bosses give the workers a lot of say in business policies. :roll:

Most American workers own stock. Chances are, if you have an office job, you will have almost as much of a say in company policy as your manager.

But eve if you didn't, that's totally irrelevant. You don't have a right to work in a company... it's merely a privilege. Therefore, to accept the privilege, you have to agree to whatever terms that the guy who is giving you the privilege demands.

Conversely, a company must agree to all of your terms for you to work there. Since both of these conditions often are impossible, a compromise is reached.

That's called a voluntary action.

While personally, I do not agree with nor condone communism in form, I believe it would be foolish to outlaw communism as a form of goverment. Just because it has not YET worked does not mean in the future it will not worked.

Imagine, if you will, if democracy had been outlawed after Greece fell from power. Or any Republic type government restricted after Rome came under the rule of the Emperor's. Obviously, that would have been foolish, as today the global community is lead by democratic nations, and it is merely third world that is not, for the most part.

Therefore, as stated before, we cannot rule out communism as a viable form of government. It may one day succeed.

Furthermore, if communism was to be outlawed, one finds the slippery slope of *identifying* communist nations. For example, could nations such as china truely be considered Communist? They are engaging in capitlistic trade, yet they are not full capitilists. How could the UN identify communist nations from extremely liberal nations? It would be nearly impossible, and cause more havoc than its worth.

Does Letila count as communist? We have no money and no social classes.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

whenever a subject like this comes up, i just think about that famous winston churchill quote, and then retreat back to my ignorant bliss. :wink:

:evil: THE FREE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT IT IS NEITHER CAPATILISM NOR COMMUNISM THAT NEED BE BANNED. CORRUPTION IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE OUTLAWED, ALONG WITH CRONIEISM AND BAD BREATH.

BOTH FORMS OF GOVERNMENT CAN BE IRRITATING, BUT IF YOU SCRATCH AN ITCH TOO EAGERLY, YOU END UP WITH RASHES AND EVENTUALLY SCARS. LET IT BE AND IT MAY GO AWAY OF ITS OWN ACCORD.

A VERY WISE MAN ONCE SAID: "PERSON WHO GO TO BED WITH ITCHY BUM, WAKE UP WITH SMELLY FINGER"

THE FREE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.

:evil: THE FREE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT IT IS NEITHER CAPATILISM NOR COMMUNISM THAT NEED BE BANNED. CORRUPTION IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE OUTLAWED, ALONG WITH CRONIEISM AND BAD BREATH.

BOTH FORMS OF GOVERNMENT CAN BE IRRITATING, BUT IF YOU SCRATCH AN ITCH TOO EAGERLY, YOU END UP WITH RASHES AND EVENTUALLY SCARS. LET IT BE AND IT MAY GO AWAY OF ITS OWN ACCORD.

A VERY WISE MAN ONCE SAID: "PERSON WHO GO TO BED WITH ITCHY BUM, WAKE UP WITH SMELLY FINGER"

THE FREE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.

:evil: THE FREE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT IT IS NEITHER CAPATILISM NOR COMMUNISM THAT NEED BE BANNED. CORRUPTION IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE OUTLAWED, ALONG WITH CRONIEISM AND BAD BREATH.

BOTH FORMS OF GOVERNMENT CAN BE IRRITATING, BUT IF YOU SCRATCH AN ITCH TOO EAGERLY, YOU END UP WITH RASHES AND EVENTUALLY SCARS. LET IT BE AND IT MAY GO AWAY OF ITS OWN ACCORD.

A VERY WISE MAN ONCE SAID: "PERSON WHO GO TO BED WITH ITCHY BUM, WAKE UP WITH SMELLY FINGER"

THE FREE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.

In future could the free people please avoid speaking all in capital letters? It makes their potentially insightful contributions to the discussion difficult to read.

You can't simply ban one government or another. It should be the choice of the nation to decide how they want to run their government.

Agreed. Whats the point of having a world if everyone is the same? Besides, no real communist country exists, communism is utopian in its intent, we humans arent perfect enough to achieve utopia anyways...

Whats the point of having a world if everyone is the same? Besides, no real communist country exists, communism is utopian in its intent, we humans arent perfect enough to achieve utopia anyways...

First of all, the goal of communism is to make everyone the same! Communists strive to crush those of ability and model them after the worst in a soceity, thereby making everyone equally inept. You claim that human beings are not perfect enough to achieve communism, yet I feel that we are too close to perfection for communism to work. It is claimed that if everyone in a communist nation worked their hardest, then everything would work, yet how can anyone (regardless of how "selfless" they are) work their hardest when the better they become, the more they are penalized! If one works their hardest in a communist state, their only reward is death! For that is the ultimate ideal that communism preaches. What could be more selfless than to die for those inferior to you? It is not noble to die for your betters, but only to die for the inept, weak, and evil! That is true virtue, claim the communists! Human beings have a built in moral compass and a sense of self-preservation (which, as it turns out, are the same), and so a human could never live in a truly communist nation. How can one be expected to work for your brothers when the more "righteous" you become, the more the whip stings on your back? All communists nations must perish, because eventually, all the able will be killed, and when those that carry the nation on their shoulders are dead and burried, there will be nothing left for that nation save starvation and ruin. That is the fate of all truly communist nations. The only fate suitable for the atrocities they commit against humanity.

It's a good thing we aren't communist.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.