NationStates Jolt Archive

'We are All Humanoids' are a democratic state, with excellent civil liberites and Political freedoms. We see this as a desirous state. However we do not believe the United Nations (UN) to be a body that should have the ability to force individual beliefs or viewpoints on other nations.

We therefore put before this august body, that it has in the past exceeded it's rights, in as much as any matter that does not affect 'international relationships' should be advisory only.

We agree that while it may seem good for one nation to grant international liberation to all those of a certain viewpoint, such a matter cannot and should not be put before the UN but left entirely to an individual nation.

Further we will not under any circumstances condone any form of agression to back or oppose this proposal!

We therefore suggest a proposal we have not yet tabled that would read;

Whereas the UN is not a democratically elected International government, it should therefore have no jurisdiction within a nations boundaries unless invited so to do.

It is recognised that it is the fundamental responsibility of each member nation to govern their sovereign territory.

The UN shall be the primary forum for the debate of all international matters. The role of the UN is specifically with regard to International peace keeping, enforcement, refugees and matters of humanitarian aid. Further any other matter passed by majority within the UN forum will require all member nations to investigate ways of implementing such matters within their individual nations as best benefits their nation.

If all nations would be so kind as to give ideas or amendments to this statement we can garner opinion as to the possibility of its success.

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

http://www.nationstates.net/pages/faq.html#UN

Incidentally, this question was fundamentally decided against national sovereignty during the debate on my Outlaw Pedophilia resolution, which was passed 11739-1363 on July 18, 2003.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Delegate, 5/18/2003 and 6/8/2003-11/28/2003

You are within your rights to view the UN in those terms and vote accordingly. That's not so far off from my own opinion, actually. But the rules of the UN do not allow proposals which will alter the game mechanics (ie: changing the restrictions on proposals or the powers of the UN).

If you really want to get into that argument, it's easy enough to recognize that petitioning for admittance the UN is a direct agreement to submit to its resolutions.

Like national governments, the role of the UN is to defend individual rights.

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

But the rules of the UN do not allow proposals which will alter the game mechanics (ie: changing the restrictions on proposals or the powers of the UN).

As I see it the two quotes above disagree, if we can vote on a resolution we are democratic, if so we must have the ability to restrict what can be debated. In an ideal game world we could restrict their affects.

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

But the rules of the UN do not allow proposals which will alter the game mechanics (ie: changing the restrictions on proposals or the powers of the UN).

As I see it the two quotes above disagree, if we can vote on a resolution we are democratic, if so we must have the ability to restrict what can be debated. In an ideal game world we could restrict their affects.

Imposing resolution restrictions would require a change in the game coding, which would have to actually be done by someone.

Like national governments, the role of the UN is to defend individual rights.

It is?!?!? I though it was to lead a group of people who call themself member of one nation.

Nice try to sneak that one in.

If you wonder why the UN in real life cannot interfere that much in individual nations. It is because almost always everybody would vote against it. Even if they like it, because they (in contrary to most the people here :P) are smart enough to know, this going to hit me the nose.
They might decide to make a resolution I am not particular happy about. So basically all you have to do is vote against it.

But you see, the way nation state is made up actually confusing things big time. You are a country. But you don't even look a country. In the game your more like an individual. A completele and utter dispote over your country the borg could be jalouse off. And most people then start to view the UN as a nation governement and act that way.

And that is more like what is happing.

Like national governments, the role of the UN is to defend individual rights.

It is?!?!? I though it was to lead a group of people who call themself member of one nation.

Nice try to sneak that one in.

A nation is a group of individuals united by a common misconception of their ancestry and a common hatred of their neighbors.

Every individual is sovereign over himself and his property. The role of government in general is to protect that sovereignty from the encroachment of other individuals. The role of law is to protect that sovereignty from the encroachment of the government.

You have my full support! I think this is a great proposal!

We are all Humanoids are of the opinion that we may well put this forward in the near future, but in the mean time please keep voting. We are not at all confident that this will get past the mods and so we are of the opinion that votes here may have more effect in putting on more pressure for game mechanics modificaions.

The Reasons we are putting this forward are laid out below, but basically we see the governance of a nation to be down to that nations government, not some other state with no say outside the UN. We see 3 types of proposals at this moment in time;

1, Proposals such as 'Gay marriage, Gun Control, Freedom from Spam, all such are surely not the realm of the UN! What possible right has the UN to tell you that you must allow all in your nation, to allow something that may well be against your countrypersons religion or personal beliefs.

2. Proposals such as 'All nations must immediately have a national nudity day' Such proposals are irrelevant, the current game mechanics will totally ignore them so it is all hot air.

3. Dangerous proposals such as 'It is believed that all of humanity have the right to free health care' While this is a nice theory the cost to some nations may well involve the starvation of 75% of a population!!

We warmly welcome all to this thread, We are all Humanoids have recently submitted the proposal listed below, it was originally binned within 30 minutes of its proposal under the Game mechanics Law, (democratic debate woud appear to be secondary), we have resubmitted it in the hope that it will at least be allowed 24 hours to garner a debate. We are all Humanoids will resign from the UN if this proposal is not at least allowed a debate, we find it intolerable that we can be forced to murder OAP's and Legalize Gay marriage yet we are not allowed to debate the role of the UN. we therefore recomend all UN nations withdraw from the UN if this proposal is denied a debate!

We have recently tabled a UN proposal which we have repeated below for your perusal. We urgently request that you endorse this proposal.

Restriction to the UN Charter
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: The Furtherment of Democracy Strength: Strong Proposed by: We are all Humanoids
Description: 'We are All Humanoids' are a democratic state, with excellent civil liberites and Political freedoms. We see this as a desirous state. However we do not believe the United Nations (UN) to be a body that should have the ability to force individual beliefs or viewpoints on other nations.

We therefore put before this august body, that it has in the past exceeded it's rights, in as much as any matter that does not affect 'international relationships' should be advisory only.

We agree that while it may seem good for one nation to grant international liberation to all those of a certain viewpoint, such a matter cannot and should not be put before the UN but left entirely to an individual nation.

Further we will not under any circumstances condone any form of agression to back or oppose this proposal!

We therefore table this proposal;

"Whereas the UN is not a democratically elected International government, it should therefore have no jurisdiction within a nations boundaries unless invited so to do.

It is recognised that it is the fundamental responsibility of each member nation to govern their sovereign territory.

The UN shall be the primary forum for the debate of all international matters. The role of the UN is specifically with regard to International peace keeping, enforcement, refugees and matters of humanitarian aid. Further any other matter passed by majority within the UN forum will require all member nations to investigate ways of implementing such matters within their individual nations as best benefits their nation."

The Reasons we are putting this forward are laid out below, but basically we see the governance of a nation to be down to that nations government, not some other state with no say outside the UN. We see 3 types of proposals at this moment in time;

1, Proposals such as Gay marriage, Gun Control, Freedom from Spam, all such are surely not the realm of the UN! What possible right has the UN to tell you that you must allow all in your nation, to allow something that may well be against your countrypersons religious or personal beliefs.

2. Proposals such as 'All nations must immediately have a national nudity day' Such proposals are irrelevant, there will be no effect of such proposals so they are all hot air.

3. Dangerous proposals such as 'It is proposed that all of humanity have the right to free health care' While this is a nice theory the cost to some nations may well involve the starvation of 75% of a population!!