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TO my fellow UN Delegates. It's time women have the equal rights as men and be allowed to be topless in public.

Is it fair that women's bodies are treated as sinful while the male body is allowed to be bared naked in Public?

The question is rhetorical, the answer is obvious... please support this proposal...


PROPOSAL: "PRAISE BEAUTY, ALLOW NUDITY"


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This proposal is in support all women and their right to be treated as equals to men.

1)Wheraeas Men currently are allowed to be in public sans shirt baring there chests and women everywhere are not given the same right.
2)Whereas no country should allow men to be given rights that are not proffered to women.
3)Whereas the Women's Movement has in the past given women the right to vote; and freedom to work; and to the right to equal pay for equal work.

The "Praise Beauty, Allow Nudity" Act will confer on women the same rights as men with respect to nudity in public.

Woman shall for now and evermore be allowed to be in public without shirts. Women will be allowed to let the sun's glow to warm the flesh on there chests as it does for man. Women will be allowed to bare there naked chests in society without the awful stigma of sin attached to it.

I know. The butt is what really matters. I support this proposal.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

I say let anyone man or woman be completely nude in public if they wish as long as they do not try anything sexual on the other sex like no sex in public because the human body is art.

1)Wheraeas Men currently are allowed to be in public sans shirt baring there chests and women everywhere are not given the same right.I agree with what you are saying, but when you see a man's chest, you dont really think about sex, becuase you see it almost everywhere (Billboards, Magazines, Movies, etc.). But with a women, you generally think of sex.
3)Whereas the Women's Movement has in the past given women the right to vote; and freedom to work; and to the right to equal pay for equal work.The Women's Movement, is a very important thing in Women's History. But, allowing women to be nude has no real great significance on people(s).
You say things as if, men are allowed to be nude in public and women are not. That is not true. You dont walk down the street and see a man walking about, exposing his private parts. There are Nude-Beaches were, male and females can expose themselves, and that is where it should only be allowed.

The Rogue Nation of Kodic, will not support this proposal.

There is an abundance of girls walking around already with a shirt that might as well not be on because it's so scantly, so, I don't see why its such a big deal if they have to cover up.

1)Wheraeas Men currently are allowed to be in public sans shirt baring there chests and women everywhere are not given the same right.I agree with what you are saying, but when you see a man's chest, you dont really think about sex, becuase you see it almost everywhere (Billboards, Magazines, Movies, etc.). But with a women, you generally think of sex.

1) Thanks for making my point for me. If you get used to seeing women's tits all the time, they won't give you a hardon all the time.

2) Why does it matter anyway?

I'll endorse tits.

...I mean, equal rights, I fully endorse equal rights.

This is wrong!!!!! Look...


1)Wheraeas Men currently are allowed to be in public sans shirt baring there chests and women everywhere are not given the same right.I agree with what you are saying, but when you see a man's chest, you dont really think about sex, becuase you see it almost everywhere (Billboards, Magazines, Movies, etc.). But with a women, you generally think of sex.



This resolution is for EQUAL RIGHTS!! Ithunia thinks that a naked women is sinful!! ANd that because it is sinful it must be covered up! What the??? This is along the lines of puritan thinking! It's the 21st Century its time for to stop labeling perfectly natural things as SINFUl just because a few fringe groups think so!

As the Bloodhound Gang says,

Hooray for Boobies.

The Queendom of Sniggety-Bop will endorse the aforementioned proposal because it believes in the saying "anything a man can do, a woman can do better"... toplessness included!

This is wrong!!!!! Look...


1)Wheraeas Men currently are allowed to be in public sans shirt baring there chests and women everywhere are not given the same right.I agree with what you are saying, but when you see a man's chest, you dont really think about sex, becuase you see it almost everywhere (Billboards, Magazines, Movies, etc.). But with a women, you generally think of sex.



This resolution is for EQUAL RIGHTS!! Ithunia thinks that a naked women is sinful!!

No, that was Kodic, not me. Next time, pay attention to what you're reading...

If guys can bare their chests in public, I do not see why women cannot. Chests are chests, though the chests of women do stick out more. But hey, fat guys chests stick out a lot too.

Too true! I suport this proposal.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Oops.
Yeah you're right.



This is wrong!!!!! Look...
1)Wheraeas Men currently are allowed to be in public sans shirt baring there chests and women everywhere are not given the same right.I agree with what you are saying, but when you see a man's chest, you dont really think about sex, becuase you see it almost everywhere (Billboards, Magazines, Movies, etc.). But with a women, you generally think of sex.



This resolution is for EQUAL RIGHTS!! Ithunia thinks that a naked women is sinful!!

No, that was Kodic, not me. Next time, pay attention to what you're reading...

I would also like to thank all who have supported this proposal so far.

Only 127 to go before it becomes a resolution.

I am honoured to use my very first comment on this forum on behalf of my nation to support such an excellent proposal.

Let it all hang out.

It's time to oppose this sexism.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Sexism!? This is nothing close to sexism. And, Neo Tyr dose not support this issue...

Neo-Tyr,
If you had your way, WOMEN would be barefott in the kitchen cooking dinner for their husbands. Women would also not be allowed to vote, and their fathers would have to pay a dowery to the husband before getting married.

THAT, my friend, is SEXISM, and if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, SHAME ON YOU1

Sexism!? This is nothing close to sexism. And, Neo Tyr dose not support this issue...

It's about equal rights for women. Why don't you support it?

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

The right to wear clothes includes the right not to wear clothes. We support this resolution.

It's about equal rights for women. Why don't you support it?

This isn't about equal rights, this is about sovereignty over one's body.

This is weird...

It's about equal rights for women. Why don't you support it?

This isn't about equal rights, this is about sovereignty over one's body.

well how about this... MEN have "sovereignity over their bodies" in that they can walk around topless! WOMEN do not have "sovereignty over thir bodies" because they can not walk around topless.

I respectfully disagree... this is a case of equal rights. Women do not have them in this regard. Lets do the right thing and turn this proposal into a resolution.

A man's chest is considered "decent" in society. Display of a woman's breasts, however, is considered inappropriate. A man's chest is not the same thing. If they were, it would be sexist not to make men's bras. Whether or not these values are a good thing is not the issue; these are the values of society. If breasts should be shown in public, so should private parts below the waist. This resolution should therefore be opposed.

A man's chest is considered "decent" in society. Display of a woman's breasts, however, is considered inappropriate. A man's chest is not the same thing. If they were, it would be sexist not to make men's bras. Whether or not these values are a good thing is not the issue; these are the values of society. If breasts should be shown in public, so should private parts below the waist. This resolution should therefore be opposed.

You should be allowed to go naked whenever you want. You have sovereignity over your body. This resolution should therefore be supported. What society consideres 'decent' is absolutely irrelevant. The individual owns his own body. Not society. In a system where the individual does not own his own body, the slang for it is "slavery".

And Chumps a Lot this is primarily about sovereignity over your body. When we freed the slaves, we didn't free the slaves for equal rights, we freed them for a more overarching concern of human rights.

If this were about equal rights, we could pass a law forbidding men from exposing their chests.

Good point, TGM.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

I wholeheartedly support this. Women should have the same rights as men in regards to being topless in public.

EBLs comments are exactly what this proposal is against!

EBL thinks the human body is sinful! But that is very old fashioned thinking.

Other examples of old fashioned (and incorrect) thinking...
1) TV executives would not let Lucille Ball appear pregnant on television because because viewers weren't supposed to know she had had sex.

2) The Doors were banned from appearing on the Ed Sullivan show after they sang the real lyrics to "Light my Fire"..."girl we couldn't get much Higher" ... because it had suggestions of drug use

3) Walmart forced Nirvana to change the name of the song "Rape Me" on its CD cover because it was offensive.

Here is what EBL says...


A man's chest is considered "decent" in society. Display of a woman's breasts, however, is considered inappropriate. A man's chest is not the same thing. If they were, it would be sexist not to make men's bras. Whether or not these values are a good thing is not the issue; these are the values of society. If breasts should be shown in public, so should private parts below the waist. This resolution should therefore be opposed.


This is backwards, small minded thinking.. the same thing that says that female breasts are obscene in the 21st century!!!

Lets open our minds folks! You can call it equal right or sovereignty of one's own body, it doesn't matter,... this proposal needs to be passed!

In regards to this proposal Libertisium will stand behind it, but not without a few comments.

While we are a new voice in the UN, we shall be one that stands behind
our belief that true equality for all mankind may be unpopular at times, but is something we should strive for.

It is just that if one group of people shall have a certain right, that all people should share in that right, for it is in fact right.

Perhaps, as an effect of this proposal, certain groups who complain that nudity in film and television is unbalanced showing far too much female nudity, when in fact it is generally only the chest of said women, and the male chest is plastered all over the media far more, if not equally.

With this said, on the notion that all people deserve the same rights, Libertisium supports you.

Vae Victus!
~Marius De Aequitas
ab Libertisium

I don't see why people are so obsessed with breasts anyway. They're highly overrated.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

This subject to us would seem to be a matter for Nations (and the states within those nations) to decide for themself depending on various histo-cultural guidelines that exist and are agreed upon by their people.

If you wanted equal rights we would have one bathroom, male maids, and wemon who don't shave. Men and wemon are different, and it's not a terrible thing. Do most girls you see strut around musing "Boy, I wish I could lose this shrit..." No. How will this even help a nation? It won't. It's a tiny, mircomanagement issue that the UN should NOT focus on. This issue will not help wemon's rights, only give some horny teens some kicks.

This subject to us would seem to be a matter for Nations (and the states within those nations) to decide for themself depending on various histo-cultural guidelines that exist and are agreed upon by their people.

If that were the case then why not leave all decisions to their nation and states. The idea is that through sharing our idea's and productive debate
we can desern what is true and just and protect all the people of the planet from said unjustice.

~Marius De Aequitas
ab Libertisium

If you wanted equal rights we would have one bathroom, male maids, and wemon who don't shave. Men and wemon are different, and it's not a terrible thing. Do most girls you see strut around musing "Boy, I wish I could lose this shrit..." No. How will this even help a nation? It won't. It's a tiny, mircomanagement issue that the UN should NOT focus on. This issue will not help wemon's rights, only give some horny teens some kicks.

What benefits are there to retaining this division?

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

If you wanted equal rights we would have one bathroom, male maids, and wemon who don't shave.

Uhhhh....
geeze....
male maids.... i've seen them,
one bathroom, usually they are divided by sex, but not always.... certainly when its important, no one cares.
women who don't shave.... seen that.

You need to get out more.
Diversity is good!

I personally don't need to be stepping out for a breath of fresh air tomorrow morning and see a 500-lb. nude man coming at me. People can do as they please in the privacy of their own home, but we must have some limitation on public conduct. I do not support this proposal.

This is about being toplessness, not full frontal nudity.
Please reconsider your support.

I personally don't need to be stepping out for a breath of fresh air tomorrow morning and see a 500-lb. nude man coming at me. People can do as they please in the privacy of their own home, but we must have some limitation on public conduct. I do not support this proposal.

An excellent proposal, but outside the U.N.'s mandate. This is something each country, with its unique religious and moral background, should decide, not the U.N.

Sheesh, with proposals like these no wonder I'm not a member :D

I have retained private research firms to conduct a national survey into how the Phued population would vote on proposal. we specifically told the Phued population that we would reguard this as the first decision on how our empire forms its opinions. We told the Phued Peoples that if they believed the current train of thought held by the world was inappropriate, that if Phued did not want to conform to the standards of the western world, now is the time to speak up.

The Peoples of Phued will no longer conform to the ideals of the western world, though we will use those common ideals as a comparison to our own ideals. The Peoples of Phued do believe that people should not be subjected to public nudity of any kind, however, the Peoples of Phued are free to conduct themselves as they see fit in their own homes and properties. The issue has many, many more important factors for the Peoples of Phued, for example, we would rather be notified of a friends preference on this issue than to arrive for afternoon tea at their doorstep as they were practicing nudity. the matter is complex, all you need to know is that the Peoples of Phued would vote against public nudity of any kind, and would vote for the right do wear or not wear clothes in their own properties as they see fit.

-- Patto,
Emperor, Empire of Phued
President, U.G.C.
Phued Representative, CA
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.: P H U E D :.

ok, so this is about letting women run around topless, right?

this reminds me of second hand cigarette smoke. I don't smoke, so I don't want smoke in my face. simple. I don't want to be topless, and I don't want to see women's bare chests, either. This is about how other people are affected by other people's actions.

So who will be taking advantage of being topless? women who have never had kids. Trust me, what man (or woman for that matter) wants to see saggy, droopy, lopsided or even possibly lactating bosoms? I can just see it now, the little 3yr olds who say anything to anyone, "hey mom, her chest is bigger than yours" or "hey mom, why doesn't that lady have a chest?"

Not to mention the way running around topless doing everyday things will get dangerous - ever pictured a topless woman trying to cook dinner? Pretty soon nobody would be topless, they'd be covered in band-aids.

And to the people who will say, "well just don't look then" Yes you have a point, but who wouldn't notice in the first place to even have the chance to look away?

There are reasons women are covered up, and we support those reasons.

Morse Islands

BoobiesNSFW will always support equal rights legislation.

There are reasons women are covered up, and we support those reasons.

Morse Islands

Morse,
You mentioned reasons why women should cover up...like cooking.. THat's fine. I'm sure that women will want to do (or not do) the sensible thing and cover up when neart boiling oil. Men are allowed to take their shirts off, but they are sensible enough to cover up when cooking. Are you assuming that women aren't as smart or sensible as men??

THis proposal is to ALLOW them to make the choice.

What if you are working in your garden and it is hot so you take off your shirt. You can do that, but women can't. This proposal is to allow women the same rights as men. If you don't support this proposal then you're sexist. PLAIN ANS SIMPLE.

I want to vote on this proposal! I need two endorsements, and don't have any yet. I reside in a small region with only one other UN member nation. If any of you belong to some large, unresponsive, impersonal region and wish to join my region, well, then, that would be good. We are a part of SatansLeftHand. Who would want to be Satan's right hand? No, of course you wouldn't. Join the left; join the side of right. Telegram me for the password.

Ummm, can UN members endorse one another? If so, then Gabchseter shall reciprocate any endorsements received.

btw, I am in favor of this resolution.

The People's Republic of Uncertain Name supports this clearly belated rectification of an inbalance between the rights of the sexes.

Excellent proposal, for too long have women been forced to keep heaving bosoms strapped in and under wraps. Lets go further, lets encourage the right for women to stroll the bars and clubs at night making half-arsed pulling attempts to coy blokes, let them take their men home and feel that it is a result to reach first base after meeting him only hours ago, fart and be proud, in short....lets banish all that ignorant sexist moral programming that todays female are sadly subjected to!!!!!

In the behalf of my region I'm voting "for" this proposal.

This is a solid proposal. Free women's bodies from oppression!

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

If you wanted equal rights we would have one bathroom, male maids, and wemon who don't shave. Men and wemon are different, and it's not a terrible thing. Do most girls you see strut around musing "Boy, I wish I could lose this shrit..." No. How will this even help a nation? It won't. It's a tiny, mircomanagement issue that the UN should NOT focus on. This issue will not help wemon's rights, only give some horny teens some kicks.

Separate bathrooms are just that -- separate but equal.

And as far as I know, there ARE male maids and most non-American women do not shave their legs.

TGM: I know. It was more of a joke, my first line. I'm not very funny. Ive been to Europe many times.

The problem is, this is not really an "Equal Rights" issue. It's a tiny, mircomanagement issue that should be up to national sovereignty. I would support a proposal that said "Women should have the right to vote", because THAT is the purpose of the UN, big issues that affect people in a big way. The UN is not a mircomagement group that throws out obscure issues scitzophrnicly and allowing real, important issues to sink under. What will this prove? Who will this help? No one. This is not helping the quality of life and is a small in-important issue.

The problem is, this is not really an "Equal Rights" issue. It's a tiny, mircomanagement issue that should be up to national sovereignty. I would support a proposal that said "Women should have the right to vote", because THAT is the purpose of the UN, big issues that affect people in a big way. The UN is not a mircomagement group that throws out obscure issues scitzophrnicly and allowing real, important issues to sink under. What will this prove? Who will this help? No one. This is not helping the quality of life and is a small in-important issue.
Agreed

Let me ask you all somthing, how many of you (that support this) are males? How many are females?

Let me ask you all somthing, how many of you (that support this) are males? How many are females?


Great question Kodic!

Of course all females would want this to pass. Who wouldn't want the RIGHT TO CHOOSE to be topless?

It is the SEXIST MALES who are judging females' bodies to be sinful!

Men, once again, are holding back the rights of women to be equal!

This must be stopped! SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL!!!!

I'm female and my nation supports this proposal.

Perhaps we are more free and easy than some in that nudity is not frowned upon in our nation. The ability to walk freely as nature intended us to walk is valued, along with the knowledge that comfortable people are happier people.

No, my nation will not support this. Why should anybody be allowed to walk around half naked in public? It's uncivilized; there are nudist beaches, bars, and even your own home where you can strut around in the nude or half-nude if you wish. It's just an excuse for men to encourage women to get naked. And I believe the most common woman be to seen walking around half naked is the prostitutes.

For male-kind: Those of you who DO support this just for the fact that you can see women bare their breasts, what happens if it's not a particuraly attractive woman? Call me uptight, but I really don't want to see that.

No, let nations do as they wish with their nude regulations, don't enforce it on all of us.

I think that it would be awesome...er... i mean fair to give women the right to walk around topless in public 8)

I think that it would be awesome...er... i mean fair to give women the right to walk around topless in public
Exactly what I thought. More than half of the males that are supporting this proposal, is just a horny guy that wants to see naked girls, without looking at a computer screen or a television.

I think that it would be awesome...er... i mean fair to give women the right to walk around topless in public
Exactly what I thought. More than half of the males that are supporting this proposal, is just a horny guy that wants to see naked girls, without looking at a computer screen or a television.

TGM: I know. It was more of a joke, my first line. I'm not very funny. Ive been to Europe many times.

The problem is, this is not really an "Equal Rights" issue. It's a tiny, mircomanagement issue that should be up to national sovereignty. I would support a proposal that said "Women should have the right to vote", because THAT is the purpose of the UN, big issues that affect people in a big way. The UN is not a mircomagement group that throws out obscure issues scitzophrnicly and allowing real, important issues to sink under. What will this prove? Who will this help? No one. This is not helping the quality of life and is a small in-important issue.

It's sovereignity over your own body. I can't think of a bigger issue than that.

The nation of P4lladia and region of Ninjao strongly supports this proposal. Not only do we belive in gender equality, but also strongly disagree with moral elitism and wonder why the hell women aren't allowed to show their chests in the first place.

OH NO, MILK COMES OUT OF THERE! Won't someone think of the children? :roll:

TGM: Sovereignity? Is wearing a shirt really oppresive? Do people mutter, "Damn! I wish I could take of this shirt everyday"? If the issue at hand is currently not under great importance, why change it? To say you can?

TGM: Sovereignity? Is wearing a shirt really oppresive? Do people mutter, "Damn! I wish I could take of this shirt everyday"? If the issue at hand is currently not under great importance, why change it? To say you can?

It's a slippery slope. The taxes that set off the American Revolution were only about one-twentieth the taxes that Englishmen had to live with every day. But they showed an intent to reduce people under despotism.

TGM: Sovereignity? Is wearing a shirt really oppresive? Do people mutter, "Damn! I wish I could take of this shirt everyday"? If the issue at hand is currently not under great importance, why change it? To say you can?

It's a slippery slope. The taxes that set off the American Revolution were only about one-twentieth the taxes that Englishmen had to live with every day. But they showed an intent to reduce people under despotism.

I am female, and personally I won't be going naked, or topless in public, but that shouldn't stop others from having the option to. So I am all for this resolution, just don't expect to see me topless.

TGM: Sovereignity? Is wearing a shirt really oppresive? Do people mutter, "Damn! I wish I could take of this shirt everyday"? If the issue at hand is currently not under great importance, why change it? To say you can?

It's a slippery slope. The taxes that set off the American Revolution were only about one-twentieth the taxes that Englishmen had to live with every day. But they showed an intent to reduce people under despotism.

But that was an important issue at the time. Normal people cared about the taxes; but the normal person really dosn't care about nudity

TGM: Sovereignity? Is wearing a shirt really oppresive? Do people mutter, "Damn! I wish I could take of this shirt everyday"? If the issue at hand is currently not under great importance, why change it? To say you can?

It's a slippery slope. The taxes that set off the American Revolution were only about one-twentieth the taxes that Englishmen had to live with every day. But they showed an intent to reduce people under despotism.

But that was an important issue at the time. Avarage people cared about the taxes; but the avarage person really dosn't care about nudity

Equal rights for all! Women shouldn't be thought of as a sexual object. They should feel free to go topless ot completely nude without having to worry about being treated like a man's sex toy.

Neo-Tyr,
Your stand on this issue is a thinly veiled attempt to promote SEXISM.

People, support this proposal.


EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN AND MEN!


TGM: Sovereignity? Is wearing a shirt really oppresive? Do people mutter, "Damn! I wish I could take of this shirt everyday"? If the issue at hand is currently not under great importance, why change it? To say you can?

It's a slippery slope. The taxes that set off the American Revolution were only about one-twentieth the taxes that Englishmen had to live with every day. But they showed an intent to reduce people under despotism.

But that was an important issue at the time. Avarage people cared about the taxes; but the avarage person really dosn't care about nudity

TGM: Sovereignity? Is wearing a shirt really oppresive? Do people mutter, "Damn! I wish I could take of this shirt everyday"? If the issue at hand is currently not under great importance, why change it? To say you can?

It's a slippery slope. The taxes that set off the American Revolution were only about one-twentieth the taxes that Englishmen had to live with every day. But they showed an intent to reduce people under despotism.

But that was an important issue at the time. Avarage people cared about the taxes; but the avarage person really dosn't care about nudity

The American Revolution had maybe 1/3 support in the colonies. It was instigated by well-to-do upper middle-class people who were by no means representative of the common person.

Equal rights for all! Women shouldn't be thought of as a sexual object. They should feel free to go topless ot completely nude without having to worry about being treated like a man's sex toy.

The right of women to go nude and the right of women to be free from men thinking of them as sex toys are two entirely different things.

THe first is a human right. The second is an attempt to control thought, which is about as much of a dictatorship as you can get.

The American Revolution had maybe 1/3 support in the colonies. It was instigated by well-to-do upper middle-class people who were by no means representative of the common person.


Global Market,
If you had your way, there would have been no American Revolution!
In that case, America would be a slave system to the Brits!
Is that right? I don't think so!

Let's do the right thing here... give women equal rights and sovereignty over there bodies.

The American Revolution had maybe 1/3 support in the colonies. It was instigated by well-to-do upper middle-class people who were by no means representative of the common person.


Global Market,
If you had your way, there would have been no American Revolution!
In that case, America would be a slave system to the Brits!
Is that right? I don't think so!

Let's do the right thing here... give women equal rights and sovereignty over there bodies.

That's what I've been trying to say... those 1/3 of the people who instigated the revolution were looking out for the right of everyone else...

I'm just dispelling NeoTyr's notion that if the majority of people don't care about an issue it doesn't matter.

Tedmonton: Right. Next time post an argument WHY it is sexism.

TGM: 1/3 is a LOT diffiernt than, say 1/1000. No one would really care for this issue, other than a small group. THAT is why I do not support it.

men and women can never be equal in society as we are physically and mentally different, men and women should have rights that fit their abilities, that are fair and just

men and women can never be equal in society as we are physically and mentally different, men and women should have rights that fit their abilities, that are fair and just

Gender matters when using the restroom or making babies. I don't see too many other situations where it would...

Tedmonton: Right. Next time post an argument WHY it is sexism.


How about this... you think a female body is sinful and a man's is not.
THat is sexism. You are sexist.

Tedmonton, who ever said that a womens body is sinful? Your putting words in peoples mouths, than you tell everyone they are sexist if they disagree with you.
"Prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women." (defintion from Webster's dictionary).
We are not being prejudice to women or being discriminating. We are simply disagreeing with you.

Tedmonton: Right. Next time post an argument WHY it is sexism.


How about this... you think a female body is sinful and a man's is not.
THat is sexism. You are sexist.

Are you kidding. I mean that quite literaly. If I think the female body is "Sinful" in public, than so dose, maybe, 97% of America?

Sadaway fully and completly supports this proposal. Coice is good. I do not see why anyone would oppose giving someone a choice about themselves.
People have noted they oppose this because it is not the place. (too small an issue) This is a symbol proposal, it shows the world the UN stands for equl rights! This we get more people in the UN!

Tedmonton: Right. Next time post an argument WHY it is sexism.


How about this... you think a female body is sinful and a man's is not.
THat is sexism. You are sexist.

Are you kidding. I mean that quite literaly. If I think the female body is "Sinful" in public, than so dose, maybe, 97% of America?


DUDE, you have a 2-cent brain.

97% of america also used to think that racism and slaves were ok.

Does that make it right?
The question is rhetorical, in case you couldn't figure it out.

I am in full support of this proclamation.