NationStates Jolt Archive

I urge all UN Delegates to vote for the passing of this proposal. I would also like to begin a discussion on the topic. My idea is based around an ID card, which everyone from 16 onwards would, by law, have to carry. For more information, please see the proposal page.

Thank you

It would be a great help if you could provide a link to or a copy of your proposal.

I won't offer an opinion until you do and I have a chance to read the proposal in toto.

Here is what the resolution looks like:

Compulsory ID Cards
A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.

Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Atlantico

Description: I propose that it be compulsory that everyone over the age of 16, from 2008, carry an Official International ID Card. I also propse that it contains the followng data: Blood group, parents detail, country of residence,and country of birth. This as well as all other details contained on a current passport.

Finally, I propose that the ID Cards contain asample of the carriers DNA. This would be to help fight crime, and not only to prove people guilty, but also to prove them innocent. After, all your DNA shows no more, or less, than who you are.

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We support this resolution. It promotes internationalism in general and international cooperation, something the United Nations is based upon. We have approved the resolution and will vote for it when it reaches the floor.

Confederacy of the Isles Region UN Delegate
Anthonycha

The Federation is willing to support this proposal if amended so it does not include the DNA clause.

Such a clause is overly invasive and unneeded as most nations already have DNA databases.

The Rogue Nation of Kodic, will not support this proposal. The Rogue Nation of Kodic, is a pirate-based nation, so these cards would work against us.

The Rogue Nation of Mobiusland has already enacted a very similar law. However, we would not support this resolution with the current DNA clause.

The Annexed Provinces of Kryozerkia cannot support such a proposal because it's too 'Orwellian'

Ah we already have that. And you are needed to have on to enter the country. However incase of conquest of a hostile nation. Defend yourself men. And destroy all the archieves and shit. Especially if they seem to have it particular against a certain yet unnamed ethnicity. ;)

I understand very well that there are times that such security measures are not desirable. Also I can imagen that if people want to throw of a supressive and bad government they need some protection. I am not in the delution that all government need to be protected at all cost. A government is suppost to represent the people, doesn't mean it always does.

A UN proposal like this would basically give any government of any kind the power to hunt down people like hell. I am sorry I have to represent the unrepresented here. All people in this forum might be government officials. Doesn't mean all people in the world are. ;)

I support that proposal completely. Perhaps you can add (beside that things which have you already mention) some new stuffs: tracking device, emergency button for help, ... until 2008 our scientists have enough time to invent this (and other) things.

Minister Dr.Rupel
High council of Karantania

The Commonwealth of the Pure Existence supports this proposal in its entirety. If it came to vote, we would be in favor. The government needs to be able to track, locate, and identify every individual, foreign or domestic, within its borders at all times. Nothing wrong with being Orwellian as it were. The government should absolutely be in charge of keeping everyone safe, and to do so, they must have all available, pertinent data. As for DNA databases, yes, most countries do, and should have them. However, it would streamline the indentification process to have a ready sample. It would save on time, money, and manpower.

Yours,
Masestro Proteus
Progenitor and Caretaker of the Commonwealth of the Pure Existence

I am pleased with the reception my proposal has recieved. I am have also considred the possibility, that it may be a good idea, to have yearly meetings, within the UN, about ways to Upgrade the cards, possibly to add or remove certian peices of information. This would allow the cards to keep up with current trends. For example if we discover a new a disease, but a certain peice of information, such as type of blood plasma, is needed in order to administer the cure. Possibly this could be included on the card.

What are your opinions on this?

The Nation of Malre in no way supports any part of this proposal, as it violates an individual's privacy in all ways that matter. No citizen of this Nation will ever be required to carry any form of identification except for their State ID cards, which only show Name, Age, and Address (besides convicted felons), and they shall not be a part of any database (again, besides convicted felons).

Furthermore, the United Nations is not an orginization that runs the daily business of its member nations, nor is it a police force in the way that this proposal would make it.

(OOC: I personally don't support anything like this; any civilization that requires that much identification of its own citizens is already beginning to fall, but, that's just my opinion.)

The Armed Republic of Paulie Dee in no way endorses this. It is our opinion that systems such as this are open to misuse and abuse by those who hold the information. Just look at how local governments in the UK have 'sold' voter registration details to third parties eg: credit companies, service providers etc.

We also feel that the bastards in charge have too much information regarding us anyway. I know who I am, you know who you are - where's the problem??

I urge all UN Delegates to vote for the passing of this proposal. I would also like to begin a discussion on the topic. My idea is based around an ID card, which everyone from 16 onwards would, by law, have to carry. For more information, please see the proposal page.

Thank you

*I actually did this in Student Congress once*

Me [Russian KGB accent]: Da, I'm vith ze department of state security, may we see your identification documents please, comrade?
Some timid kid who just spoke in favor of ID cards: uh.. uh...
Me: Zen you are spy, nyet?

The Commonwealth of the Pure Existence supports this proposal in its entirety. If it came to vote, we would be in favor. The government needs to be able to track, locate, and identify every individual, foreign or domestic, within its borders at all times. Nothing wrong with being Orwellian as it were. The government should absolutely be in charge of keeping everyone safe, and to do so, they must have all available, pertinent data. As for DNA databases, yes, most countries do, and should have them. However, it would streamline the indentification process to have a ready sample. It would save on time, money, and manpower.

Yours,
Masestro Proteus
Progenitor and Caretaker of the Commonwealth of the Pure Existence

You and I seem to be pretty much on one line. However I have the feeling there is one major difference (unless your are faking your personality ofcourse). I know the consequences of what I am doing, and take every precaution I can think of to deal with them. Do you have any idea......or is it just the end justificies the means?

Another question, would you use DNA as only real hard fact to find someone quilty on a crime? Or do you use it mostly to clear someone of a crime? (those two are not in opposite).

The Republic of Superpower07 will not support this resolution because of our opinion that it's too great a sacrifice to civil liberties and privacy.

-Rogue Leader
President, Republic of Superpower07

We would rather be free than safe.

The Commonwealth of the Pure Existence supports this proposal in its entirety. If it came to vote, we would be in favor. The government needs to be able to track, locate, and identify every individual, foreign or domestic, within its borders at all times. Nothing wrong with being Orwellian as it were. The government should absolutely be in charge of keeping everyone safe, and to do so, they must have all available, pertinent data. As for DNA databases, yes, most countries do, and should have them. However, it would streamline the indentification process to have a ready sample. It would save on time, money, and manpower.

Yours,
Masestro Proteus
Progenitor and Caretaker of the Commonwealth of the Pure Existence

You and I seem to be pretty much on one line. However I have the feeling there is one major difference (unless your are faking your personality ofcourse). I know the consequences of what I am doing, and take every precaution I can think of to deal with them. Do you have any idea......or is it just the end justificies the means?

Another question, would you use DNA as only real hard fact to find someone quilty on a crime? Or do you use it mostly to clear someone of a crime? (those two are not in opposite).

I think the DNA would use for both proving conclusivly that someone is guilty, and also to prove innocence.

and with the "as only real hard fact" added in your answer?

It would be foolish yto use DNA as the only evidence, but it generally does help to establish that someone was in place at a time, though there is a possibility, albeit rather slim, that could be falsified. However, again, this presents almost no problem to me as crime is almost non-existent in my country. The identification cards would be used more for the purpose of knowing where everyone is at every moment for any number of reasons.

Yours,
Maestro Proteus
Progenitor and Caretaker of the Commonwealth of the Pure Existence

Picking DNA from a database is not prove somebody has been there. That is actually the what I am trying to bring as issue. It is overrated, not 100% full prove, and easily planted. However people generally tend to overtrust there methods. This was one of the arguments used against making a DNA data base for all citizens.

When the Neo Communist corporation started the use of barcoding, id-cards and camara's we spend almost more money in eduction and how to protect the people from abuse, and misuse, than we spend on the system itself. I however fear that most of you prefere to not think about that part.

Here is what the resolution looks like:

Compulsory ID Cards
A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.

Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Atlantico

Description: I propose that it be compulsory that everyone over the age of 16, from 2008, carry an Official International ID Card. I also propse that it contains the followng data: Blood group, parents detail, country of residence,and country of birth. This as well as all other details contained on a current passport.

Finally, I propose that the ID Cards contain asample of the carriers DNA. This would be to help fight crime, and not only to prove people guilty, but also to prove them innocent. After, all your DNA shows no more, or less, than who you are.

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We support this resolution. It promotes internationalism in general and international cooperation, something the United Nations is based upon. We have approved the resolution and will vote for it when it reaches the floor.

Confederacy of the Isles Region UN Delegate
Anthonycha

Why duplicate things ? people already have passports with that info. And how would you propose to put a DNA sample on a card ?

It is the responsibility of sovereign nations to police their own nations. Nations are of course entitled to request whatever form of identification they wish from those visiting or residing within their borders, but to make such an ID card compulsory is both an attack on national sovereignty and, in my opinion, an erosion of civil liberties.

If this porposal comes before the floor of the UN Celdonia shall certainly be voting against it, and shall urge our regional delegate to do likewise.

Celdonian Delegate to the UN.

Why not do as the Kingdom of The Big Yellow Spot, and brand your citizens with a hot iron? We also have everyone here barcoded (the branding doesn't really achieve anything, it's just fun). You plans are an unnecessary and costly exercise to our great nation.

King Flubbert III
Grand High Lord of The Evil Flea of Doom

Catholic Europe already employs these and so we see no reason for such a proposal to be brought to the UN's attention.

Catholic Europe already employs these and so we see no reason for such a proposal to be brought to the UN's attention.