Support the Secondary Education Act!
It's a wonderful way to help bolster worldwide goodness. Even a dictator can enjoy the blessings of having an intelligent populace under his/her thumb. Just give it a search and support the cause!
Scientific discovery
22-12-2003, 02:13
I totaly agree, education, secondary and higher, is a great thing that we can give the next generation.
I support secondary education.
UN minister,
Scientific Discovery.
Putergeeks
22-12-2003, 07:29
The Great Nation of Putergeeks supports this proposal.
Bump to further support my proposal. C'mon delegates!
The Republic of Dovaan already has. :D
I thank you all for your support thus far..... lets get this proposal up to resolution status!
Catholic Europe
23-12-2003, 12:05
Catholic Europe supports this proposal believing it to be a worthwhile effort in order to make sure that all people of all ages can have a decent education.
Goobergunchia
23-12-2003, 20:18
Secondary Education Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Summerset Isle
Description: Whereas, at a new and worldwide level, those seeking to better themselves with a higher level of edcuation beyond a country's "General Education" (that is, where the general public education ends) shall be encouraged through their respective governing body's ability to provide scholarships and grants.
Grants shall be issued in varying amounts, with lower amounts having easier access than larger- and perhaps even full-ride- sums. An example would be a mere 2.0 Grade Point Average (calculated through the standard means) through the nation's "Basic Education" to recieve an equivlant $1,000 a year scholarship, but a harder-earned 3.8 or 3.9 for a "full-ride."
The exacting details of the grants is left to the nation in general, but the UN shall ensure that the requirements to gain the support of those grants are both fair and just in relation to the ammount recieved.
The end hope of this proposal is that through supported higher education the world as a whole might be greater in every aspect of governmental and individual life.
Approvals: 12 (Dovaan, Ninjadom, Sulon, The Nanite Union, Taraguy, Benlandia, Jacordia, Hattia, Lawritania, The Discordia, Fenisia, Jontes)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 125 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Wed Dec 24 2003
We strongly support this proposal.
Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region
Fallen Eden
23-12-2003, 21:00
The Confederacy cannot and will not endorse this proposition. While the author's heart was in the right place, and the government which I represent is trying hard to make educational opportunities more available to Edenites, we feel that it is not the place of one nation to force others to educate its citizens. Governments interested in ruling an educated populace should do so - perhaps the UN should establish an education fund from which nations could borrow for this purpose - but the UN should not bring education law down to the nations of the world. Said nations should make their own laws, and make their own way.
How are you going to implement this--slavery, robbery, or both?
All of these options are morally reprehensible, and to the best of my knowledge there is no other way to do it. Therefore, the proposal itself is morally reprehensible, and any moral individual will oppose it to the end.
On the contrary! Most dictatorships wish to have an inept populace so they will succumb to mindless propaganda. Yet my nation does favor intellect. Besides, we don't need propaganda, we have guns! All quips aside, I would gladly support your pro-intellectual proclamation.
Vive Neurogenics!
Li Kam States
23-12-2003, 23:22
This should get through the UN easy - except for all those dictatorships and loving civil rights countries. 'The quality and advancement of a nation is dependant not on the calibre of its guns, but on the calibre of those scientists and intellectuals living in it.' Take WWII, even if you want to rule the world, Germany nearly got their because of its sheer scientific genius. We won when Einstein came over and gave us the atom bomb.
The leader of Rethelanium wishes to know the issuer of the grants under the new proposal- will it require that each nation provide its own grants, or will the UN provide the grants. Please clarify.
The Federation of Soltak, a 'psychotic dictatorship,' offers its support of this proposal.
Take WWII, even if you want to rule the world, Germany nearly got their because of its sheer scientific genius. We won when Einstein came over and gave us the atom bomb.
Einstein did not develop the atomic bomb. He did sign a series of letters to FDR that were instrumental to the foundation of the Manhattan Project, and he did develop the Theory of Relativity, but he was not involved with the development or conceptof the bomb itself. Neither was the atomic bomb relevant to the Allied victory in the European Theater of World War II.
Moving on to the proposal...
I would argue that this proposal would violate national sovereignty. Each nation has the right to determine how its own educational system is run.
This proposal states that grants will be issued -- but from where? From the United Nations? From member nations? The only clue we have to answer this question is the phrase "respective governing body," which is not specific at all, seeing as how most every citizen in the world is governed by multiple such bodies -- with a minimum of two, those being their national government and that of the United Nations.
This proposal also makes assumptions about the nature of every nation's education system. What of those nations that already support secondary education? What of those nations that do not utilize the American letter-grade system (A, B, C, D, F)? Are the costs of an education the same in every nation? Are the costs of an education even constant within each nation? Does each nation have the same amount of money to spend on education?
Why does each nation's grant system have to be merit based? Suppose they wanted to give everyone grants equally, or based on financial need?
I also think that it may be dangerous to define a "basic education" as education which been subsidized by the government, then mandate that the government subsidize more education than whatever is the current basic education. Infinite loop, anyone?
I would argue that this proposal would violate national sovereignty. Each nation has the right to determine how its own educational system is run.
Exactly.
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I would normally say that, "If you want to be stupid, I'm not going to stop you" but today, I'm afraid I can't.
If individual nations can't take responsibility for their citizenry, then a larger organization has to. That's one major reason why the UN was created.
Letila is built on voluntary action. We can't let some supersized state tell our people what to do.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.
On the contrary! Most dictatorships wish to have an inept populace so they will succumb to mindless propaganda. Yet my nation does favor intellect. Besides, we don't need propaganda, we have guns! All quips aside, I would gladly support your pro-intellectual proclamation.
Vive Neurogenics!
Oh right, have people sit their ass down on a chair for hours and drill them on what's "right" and "wrong".
I SEE NO PROPAGANDA WHATSOEVER!!!
Personally, I'd rather have an empty mind than one that's filled with crap.
Catholic Europe
24-12-2003, 14:02
The Confederacy cannot and will not endorse this proposition. While the author's heart was in the right place, and the government which I represent is trying hard to make educational opportunities more available to Edenites, we feel that it is not the place of one nation to force others to educate its citizens. Governments interested in ruling an educated populace should do so - perhaps the UN should establish an education fund from which nations could borrow for this purpose - but the UN should not bring education law down to the nations of the world. Said nations should make their own laws, and make their own way.
Well, surely the UN is therefore, in your mind useless. Why are you in it? It's main function is for all member nations to conform to it's laws and resolutions.
By your words, the UN should do nothing but just exist because, and you have stated, that laws should not be 'forced' onto one country by the UN/other nations.
Fallen Eden
25-12-2003, 04:53
The Confederacy cannot and will not endorse this proposition. While the author's heart was in the right place, and the government which I represent is trying hard to make educational opportunities more available to Edenites, we feel that it is not the place of one nation to force others to educate its citizens. Governments interested in ruling an educated populace should do so - perhaps the UN should establish an education fund from which nations could borrow for this purpose - but the UN should not bring education law down to the nations of the world. Said nations should make their own laws, and make their own way.
Well, surely the UN is therefore, in your mind useless. Why are you in it? It's main function is for all member nations to conform to it's laws and resolutions.
By your words, the UN should do nothing but just exist because, and you have stated, that laws should not be 'forced' onto one country by the UN/other nations.
Not useless; simply not a body of law. Rather, the UN is (in my view of what it should be) a forum for IR, as well as an adjudicator for issues that come up.
Compulsory school vs. voluntary action. Hmm.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.
Holy crap! Letila's right about something!
Pop the champagne, everyone!
Yes, we've eliminated social classes and now you can choose your life rather than simply being born into it.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.
Congratulations on your brand-new capitalist society!
Didn't you read on how we no longer have social classes? That hardly sounds like any capitalist society I know.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.
Show me a capitalist society that has an enforced system of social class and I'll show you a society that by definition is NOT capitalist, no matter what your propagandistic mind might like it to be.
I never said they were enforced, but I'm certainly not under any illusion that I could end up with 10 million dollars in my lifetime.
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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.
Collaboration
26-12-2003, 02:33
Show me a capitalist society that has an enforced system of social class and I'll show you a society that by definition is NOT capitalist, no matter what your propagandistic mind might like it to be.
Social forces create classes whether or not there are political mechanisms in place to "enforce" them.
England for example remains highly class conscious although there are no longer laws in place to enforce this.
OK, point taken.
But then why is it assumed to be a bad thing? What's wrong with letting people associate with whomever they choose and exclude whomever they choose?